Ross Barkley
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I just love watching this guy play. He's been out for like a couple months, starts today for Everton against Villa, and is just controlling the game. A joy to watch.
He'll be a first choice England pick before the season is out. Higher ceiling than Wilshere, IMO, because he doesn't just have great technical ability and passing, he's got amazing power and dynamism as well.
Assist for Lukaku.
Wilshere is the better passer for me. That's one area where Barkley needs to improve. Looks out of ideas in the final 3rd.
Pretty sure that's his first assist in the league, which is about 50 matches worth.
Remember he's two years younger than Wilshere, and playing in a weaker team. But i'm confident that he'll go on to become the better player, and in a couple of years it won't even be a debate.
Yeah, I think he will too. Absolutely no clue where he'll be playing in two/three years though.
Behind Falcao.
The most overrated player I have ever seen. I'd throw up if we bought him. It'll be a sight to behold when the dippers spunk 30 million on him, he's worth ten at the most.
Just a little reminder of his potential. Love it if he ended up signing for us:
This is the type of quote that people will laugh at in years to come. The only thing that will stop Barkley becoming a Rooney/Gerrard/Lampard level player is injury.
Agree to some extent, his intelligence and decision making in comparison to the other players around the world at his age in his position is shockingly behind. He's very physical and dynamic but at the moment that's all he really has. I'm not convinced he'll become a very good player at all, let alone world class.
You really dont rate them I guess.
Ye, but he's much more than just assists, in my opinion. Mata and Ozil have a lot assists, but they can often go missing in games. I'm not comparing them, but Barkley is a constant menace.
You're just badly underrating Barkley, and if he played for City, United or Arsenal, I very much doubt you would be.
Yeah, but that's all he is. A "physical menance." He needs to add more to his game - a lot more - to justify all the hype and the touted fees for him.
Wow! I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just don't agree. I guess time will tell.
Go and watch the video I posted. He can beat players like they aren't there, he has quick feet and good close control, he's got an eye for a goal, and yes, he's also big, strong and fairly rapid. It's a potent combination.
As Wenger has said:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...barkley-ahead-of-arsenals-key-game-at-everton
Good player, plenty of talent. Wouldn't want us to sign him though.
I personally think because he's 'physical' people focus much more on that than his technical ability. It's like Yaya Toure. Technically brilliant, in my opinion, but because he's known for his pace and power, that's often how he's described by people. Ross is very technically gifted, in my opinion.
Granted Ross Barkley needs to work on his decision making, (who doesn't at his age) in his first proper season last year, I personally feel he showed enough to justify the hype surrounding him. He come back today and took Everton to a different level, in my opinion.
Unless you are a Xavi or Iniesta type player now then you cant become a World Class midfielder for some reason in the eyes of certain people. The same people also have a go at Gerrard and Lampard for not being that type of player instead of just appreciating what they bring to the team.
Good player who'll enjoy a good career, but wouldn't be interested in having him at Manchester United.
Judging players on assist, which seems to be Dwelbz whole argument is silly. Barkley doesn't get the assist for this goal but Mirallas does for missing an open goal.
You don't have one assist in a good fifty matches down to teammates poor finishing and bad luck.
He's a bit overrated alright.
His passing isn't good enough for a #10 and I really don't see him as a #8
His passing isn't good enough for a #10 and I really don't see him as a #8
I will be shocked if his decision making and goal scoring doesn't come up with age like it does with near enough every other player. He is to talented for it not too. Plus he brings so much else to the table that again it is just silly judging a 19 year old on this like Dwelbz is. Again though certain people get all snobby if a midfielder isn't in the Iniesta mould after the Barca/Spain dominance.
He might be overrated - it depends who you ask.
It's clear there are plenty of people in this thread underrating him as well though, and laughably so. He *will* be one of England's best players - if not the best - for the next ten years, barring injury or lifestyle issues. He's already on the fringes of the first team, and went to the World Cup.
You can call that overrating if you like, but it's the common consensus among pundits and analysts.
Bit ironic you're getting bogged down on the statistics but then refer to arguably the best midfielder in the world who has never relied on being economical in his stats. Barkley is also 20 and will be 21 in 2 months.
I do think he's a decent talent, but far too many fans and pundits alike rate him as a potential superstar, which judging by his current performances he simply isn't showing.
You are the one who keeps bring up his assist record. Also regarding age i think Barkley will peak later that most because of his 2 years out with a triple leg break. You don't think he will become a very good player ? He nearly already is one and if you watched him every week you would know this. Players are frightened of him when he is on the ball and he is already nearly one of the best in the league at turning defence into attack dragging players out of position with his brilliant surging runs and once he become older and players more games he will naturally become more composed in the final third and he will increase his output.
He's a good talent, I'm not denying that.
But as Dwelbz says on current performances he's well overrated. At the moment he's a good dribbler and ball carrier but when he reaches the final 3rd he generally comes across as a bit clueless. Maybe that will come with time
Right . . . i'm not saying he's in any way as good as a young Ronaldo, or that he'll ever be as good as Ronaldo became.
But I do see similarities between them. The young Ronaldo was always hugely talented, and it was always obvious that he was - some people, however, were determined to paint him as a mere show pony with no end product. It wasn't until he was 23 or so that he started to become a beast of a player. He developed physically, and developed mentally, to become a much better proposition than he was at 18.
I see Barkley following a similar trajectory. His immense talent is clearly there for all to see, and in a couple of years time - when he has greater experience, greater confidence and greater physical maturation to go with his natural talent - it'll reach a point where his abilities will simply be undeniable.
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If he was playing for us at this age in the PL from our academy I doubt many of the comments in this thread would be being made.
What will he end up as? He's kind caught in between a deeper role and an AM isn't he? That's something that might hold him back.
I don't think he can solidify himself as the go-to #10 at any major team as he hasn't got the technical ability or vision for it. On the other hand, I don't think his defensive work rate/contribution is good enough to become an excellent #8. I think Everton is his level. He is massively overrated on here but that doesn't mean he's shit like some are saying.
He will be a Lampard type of Am/number 10 more than a Iniesta type if that makes sense. Or a Yaya Toure type attacking Cm/number 8 more than Xavi/Scholes type if that makes sense.
He'll be at the level that rooney and gerrard got to in a couple of years.....he'll probably eventually end up at man city
Depends on how his end product grows really. As he has more vision and technical ability to carry the ball than a Lampard for example. He can be a Kaka/Lampard sort of Am.
Im not sure i want him here but yet i would hate to see him at city or chelsea. Theae are the players we always sign and if sterling hadnt been at liverpool we would or should have been in for him to.
Although to me he is much less an attacking midfielder than the cm he will turn to be, should theoretically mean there is space. Theres just no space for him to work himself to his positional future.
Although to me he is much less an attacking midfielder than the cm he will turn to be, should theoretically mean there is space. Theres just no space for him to work himself to his positional future.
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