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Glad he's being underrated.

Can't be serious ? If anything it's the diametric opposite. 2/3rds of a good season at Everton and people are already projecting him to be one of the best players in the league and Rooney's heir apparent for England.
 
He hasn't been anywhere close to as good as you lot have been making him out to be. Doesn't look like he'll ever be "special" so to speak, could be a good player, I'd love to be proven wrong for the sake of England but who knows how he'll develop, he could do a Ramsey or he could do a Wilshere.

Yes he has.

look at his break out season.

Wake up.
 
He's being underrated by the people in the last couple of posts which I'm referring to.

He has performed to an excellent standard with us overall with mismatch performances which have been due to injuries and having to work his way back into the side but he has the knack of putting in special performances that only the top players can, and he's done it in the big games too.

He was pushed for a start for England due to his season with us and because of his performances in the Warm up games where he was one of our only players to look any good, and one of the few who could offer drive like Sterling. If all players are judged on a 30 minute cameo against an Italian side which were in control of the game then god forbid. He's 20 years old, he didn't have a chance to start the game like Sterling or Welbeck which is easier to do as you're adept with the tempo and controlled with it from the off.
 
He's being underrated by the people in the last couple of posts which I'm referring to.

He has performed to an excellent standard with us overall with mismatch performances which have been due to injuries and having to work his way back into the side but he has the knack of putting in special performances that only the top players can, and he's done it in the big games too.

He was pushed for a start for England due to his season with us and because of his performances in the Warm up games where he was one of our only players to look any good, and one of the few who could offer drive like Sterling. If all players are judged on a 30 minute cameo against an Italian side which were in control of the game then god forbid. He's 20 years old, he didn't have a chance to start the game like Sterling or Welbeck which is easier to do as you're adept with the tempo and controlled with it from the off.

Its harder to make an impact as a sub when the opposition legs are tiring than playing for the start? Since when has that been the case? It's a lot more easier... and when he can on he looked lively and had a good cameo.
 
Its harder to make an impact as a sub when the opposition legs are tiring than playing for the start? Since when has that been the case? It's a lot more easier... and when he can on he looked lively and had a good cameo.

Italy weren't that tired though. They managed the game well and probably could have stepped it up if they wanted to. My point was more that it would be asking much for any player to come on and turn a game around in 30 mins, especially against a disciplined Italian side.
 
He's being underrated by the people in the last couple of posts which I'm referring to.

He has performed to an excellent standard with us overall with mismatch performances which have been due to injuries and having to work his way back into the side but he has the knack of putting in special performances that only the top players can, and he's done it in the big games too.

He was pushed for a start for England due to his season with us and because of his performances in the Warm up games where he was one of our only players to look any good, and one of the few who could offer drive like Sterling. If all players are judged on a 30 minute cameo against an Italian side which were in control of the game then god forbid. He's 20 years old, he didn't have a chance to start the game like Sterling or Welbeck which is easier to do as you're adept with the tempo and controlled with it from the off.

4 years the England team will be built around him.
 
Can't be serious ? If anything it's the diametric opposite. 2/3rds of a good season at Everton and people are already projecting him to be one of the best players in the league and Rooney's heir apparent for England.

I think he's somewhere in the middle to be honest. He's 20 years of age and looks to be someone who really enjoys the game. The rest is up to him really. If he's prepared to knuckle down over the next few years and progress, he can be anything he wants for me.

He's obviously a talented player. Courage is important in my opinion when judging a young player, and he has that. He always wants the ball and is prepared to run at players and take them on. He's two footed and can go either way. He could, in theory, be one hell of a player. As with all young players though you just never know. Key for him now is to have it up next season and prove that he's worthy of the praise people have been giving him.
 
Not convinced but he'll need regular CL football if he's going to continue to develop, and he's not gonna get that at Everton.


Thats why we bust the bank and hit the calibre of the best young players in the league Fergie style.

Harness refine and get him focused with a panel of champions looking to drive on the up again.

Has to look appealing to be the new Rooney and driving force in English football among his peers hopefully reaching the level to challenge the world class category.
 
City supposedly going for Barkley, just as they did for Rodwell a few years back. I really hope he takes a look at Rodwell's stagnation and decides to stay at Everton. English talent will only die at City. Johnson, Rodwell, Richards, Sinclair are perfect examples.
 
City supposedly going for Barkley, just as they did for Rodwell a few years back. I really hope he takes a look at Rodwell's stagnation and decides to stay at Everton. English talent will only die at City. Johnson, Rodwell, Richards, Sinclair are perfect examples.

Its not only English talent. Look at Nastasic. Was great when he first when to city. Last season he unsurprisingly had a bit of a slump as it often happens with young players. He only went 21 last March.

Now there is talk of him leaving.
 
City supposedly going for Barkley, just as they did for Rodwell a few years back. I really hope he takes a look at Rodwell's stagnation and decides to stay at Everton. English talent will only die at City. Johnson, Rodwell, Richards, Sinclair are perfect examples.

Barkley is (or is at least being bigged up as) a bigger talent than all of those guys. City are also different to how they were two or three years ago. They've had their success, and they probably want to focus on bringing in younger players now. They've gotten to a point where they can't just spend willy-nilly without consequences.

I could see Barkley breaking the mould in that respect. He'd be good enough to really push for a starting place, which you can't really say of the others before him.

Edit: He also seems less likely to think he's 'made it' immediately, like Sinclair and Johnson did.
And Rodwell's hardly ever fit for a full month.
 
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I see a massive career for Barkley, but if we were to be interested in him where would we play him and at whose expense?
 
I see a massive career for Barkley, but if we were to be interested in him where would we play him and at whose expense?

Problem for Barkley is that he's come through at a time when all other big clubs have lots of players already in his position. Arsenal, United and Chelsea all have ample players in his position. So it's either Liverpool or City.
 
City supposedly going for Barkley, just as they did for Rodwell a few years back. I really hope he takes a look at Rodwell's stagnation and decides to stay at Everton. English talent will only die at City. Johnson, Rodwell, Richards, Sinclair are perfect examples.

Perfect examples of havin shit attitudes & not willing to put the effort in - as they'd already made it.

Young English players are all the same - they want the cars & the houses etc. but arent driven to repay their clubs.

If you're good enough & show good attitude - you'll be given a chance at top English clubs.. I hate these boring excuses about the national team blah blah blah - the young players cant be arsed & are not as professional nor driven as most foreign players of the same age..

I've heard from so many ex-players & present coaches, sayin the same thing - that young English players never stay behind at the end of training to work on their skills or things they need to improve on. They're out the door asap & off in their flash motors..
 
Problem for Barkley is that he's come through at a time when all other big clubs have lots of players already in his position. Arsenal, United and Chelsea all have ample players in his position. So it's either Liverpool or City.

Agreed. What I'm wondering is whether he's naturally best suited to being an attacking central midfielder, central midfielder or second striker. He looks in control wherever on the pitch he surfaces. Something like a young Rooney but without Roo's (then) legendary explosiveness on goal.
 
I don't think i'd come on Redcafe again this season if we sold him.

I reckon you'l price him out of a move. Dont see you accepting anything less than 40-50mil. Only 3 clubs in England can afford them, 2 of which have issues with FFP already and the other have no need for him.
 
City can have Fellaini for 25 million if they want....But if that Freddie Mercury lookalike from Uruguay is worth 80 million then City will have to bid something similar if they want Barkley. Barkley seems like he has class so I fully expect him to sign for us and not City in 12 months
 
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I don't think Barkley will ever be truly good enough to play as the attacking midfielder at a top club, if that's where he sees himself playing. I still don't really 'get' him. Obviously very talented, but I'm a little sceptical.
 
25m? :lol:

He wont leave them this season, maybe next year or in 2 years. Something around 50m would be needed or more, depending on his development. He isnt worth the money at the moment, but a fantastic talent.
 
I don't think Barkley will ever be truly good enough to play as the attacking midfielder at a top club, if that's where he sees himself playing. I still don't really 'get' him. Obviously very talented, but I'm a little sceptical.
I agree. I think that he is extremely overrated (not as much as Lallana though). From the current English prodeges, I rate only Sterling very highly and think that he can become a top player in a top club, but I am very sceptical for the likes of Barkley, and pretty sure that Lallana won't ever be that good as to start for a top club.
 
I can see barkley playing a little deeper as he matures... Would hate to see him alongside Toure next season - that would be scary

25m is way under his true value when you look what we just paid for shaw but if a bid of 40m or more came in that would be hard for Everton to turn down
 
I hope he develops to be a top, top player as we would be surely the favourites to land him one day.

I wish we went for him now. Would coSt £50m I dare say but potentially that would still be excellent value.
 
I can see barkley playing a little deeper as he matures... Would hate to see him alongside Toure next season - that would be scary

25m is way under his true value when you look what we just paid for shaw but if a bid of 40m or more came in that would be hard for Everton to turn down

I'm not sure about playing him deeper, his main strength for me is bringing it forward at pace, he's lethal on the counter attack and the deeper you play him the harder it is for him to catch teams with men up the pitch.
 
Barkley isnt worth £25m.
1 good season and a disappointing WC with a disastrous England squad, doesnt make him worth this amount. But, Lallana was never worth £23m, damn English valuation.

On the other hand, with the amount of money United get from various sponsor deals what does it matter what we pay. Or City, Chelsea and PSG.
 
25m would be a fair price IMO but I doubt Everton will sell for anything less than 40m and frankly it would be unwise to spend so much on a player that's still pretty raw. There are just too many variables involved and it would be a risky move. Great talent no doubt but he has some major flaws with decision-making and that worries me currently although those can be ironed out in time. I think he'll be well served gaining more experience at Everton like Bale at Tottenham despite interest from United, Barcelona, City and Madrid since 2011.

Too many players make the jump at a young age and frankly the gulf is too wide at times to overcome in a pressure cooker environment. He has the perfect conditions to develop his game at Everton - relatively stress free environment, a setup that he's familiar with and a fantastic trainer in Roberto Martinez that can coach up young players. 2 more seasons under his tutelage and Barkley will be a much more polished prospect.

Also the comparisons with Pogba are unwarranted. One is a midfielder already amongst the best in the world, playing for a massive clubs alongside Vidal and Pirlo; and a mainstay for his national side. The other while gifted is quite inexperienced and untested at the very highest level. Will they be equals in 5 years' time ? Maybe, it's possible with the right coaching Barkley could be a Gerrard/ Lampard calibre player, he certainly has the raw ingredients. But definitely not right now and not for atleast the next couple of seasons. Pogba is just too far along in his development for Ross to bridge the gap in such a short while.
 
No way is Everton selling for 25 million.

And none of the English top clubs that can pay around their valuation for him, really require him right now. So in all likelihood he stays.

Hence why he has been largely rumor free this summer for one of the biggest English talents around.
 
Its not only English talent. Look at Nastasic. Was great when he first when to city. Last season he unsurprisingly had a bit of a slump as it often happens with young players. He only went 21 last March.

Now there is talk of him leaving.
That is harsh, but it is an unfootball related issue that causes those types of imports to be moved in if not performing at peak. He had a bit of an injury hit season and it would be a travesty if he was moved on. He has a massive amount of promise.
 
You would of thought the media would of got onto that Kenwright is worse than Levy when it comes to selling before they make up stories of our players going for low fees. Martinez was happy to sell Fellaini to build the team around Ross so he is never going for less than what Fellaini went for.
 
The signing makes sense for city. He's the only young talent in the world that could develop into the perfect Yaya toure replacement.
 
Is anyone else surprised at the lack of rumours around him. He's got bags of potential, a big fee no doubt but that IMO is only gonna grow.

Think Barkley could in due course be turned into a CM and he'll be an excellent one too. I'd have him at Utd for sure and develop him into a CM, for me he has all the attributes.

City could well sniff around him I think, but surprised in the lack of activity so far.
 
I imagine that clubs are simply going for better/equal players that cost a lot less because they don't have the 'English' price tag added.
 
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