Matter of opinion, obviously.
Rooney is out... (Poll)
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Matter of opinion, obviously.
Sure mate. That must be it.
The question is whether we'll miss him during the duration he's out.
I still think we will, against Chelsea.
I still think we will, against Chelsea.
Mata set up Di Maria's goal. He played his part today. Linked up the play nicely enough. He might not have finished as strong as he started, but he was no worse than Rooney spraying passes all over the place slowing the play down.
If you don't think so, then good for you. I think we play a nicer fluid attack football without Rooney. RVP, Falcao and Mata need some time to develop the understanding that they almost inevitably will, all being technical players, unlike Rooney, and in time our football will start to be like it was the first 30 mins of the game today more often than not.
Our football has been like that in the past few games with Rooney.
We are sorely missing him, Mata was useless and van Persie has been awful. He'd take either position and do better than they have been doing recently.
Well I'm certain he isn't really a problem...but he doesn't make us that much better either. Particularly in the final 3rd, despite being quiet today Mata can do everything he can.
Not entirely sure how we "missed" him... we played really well for the majority of the game today, and looked very threatening in the first half in particular.
Would we have been even more dangerous with Rooney on the pitch? Possibly/probably - but that doesn't automatically equate to us missing him. We did more than well enough without him.
Would we have been even more dangerous with Rooney on the pitch? Possibly/probably - but that doesn't automatically equate to us missing him. We did more than well enough without him.
Talk about biased.. He was no were near as good as Rooney, in fact if Rooney had has such a game it would have been his worst in a long time.
If we'd be more dangerous (harder for opponents, easier for us) with Rooney, that's exactly what it would equate to.
Erm, no it isn't... because we won the game whilst playing well.
Thought the captaincy was a bad idea at the time and wa s laughed at for saying id sell him for Barkley/Draxler.<yeah barkleys injured,bigtickle hes some prospect,thebest english one out thir in my eyes>
i dont hate him by any means,but im still i bet raging we caved to him,especially with the way the new boy s are clicking.
Throw,Reus,Draxler/barkley,depay,into a muppetry dream for next year.
Does he get a game?
i dont hate him by any means,but im still i bet raging we caved to him,especially with the way the new boy s are clicking.
Throw,Reus,Draxler/barkley,depay,into a muppetry dream for next year.
Does he get a game?
If Rooney had performed like that there would be 10 pages on why he's a shit Am, how he slows down play and brings no creativity. But it's Mata so yea good link up play or something
But in that different scenario with Rooney we would've won more easily and opposition players would be 'working' harder (and our less) while achieving the same or better result. Would be better for players and managers during and after the game, therefore making us missing him.
Would we though? Or would we have just won 2-1 with Rooney playing a bit better then Falcao/RVP? Consistently is hardly the best thing about Rooney's game... nor is playing against Everton, so who knows how he/we'd have done.
Fact is, without him, we played well, created chances and won the game. How anyone could say he was a huge miss today is a bit strange... we literally won the game, and should really have won it more comfortably then we did considering our first half dominance/ it all going to shit in the last 10/15 mins.
Tell you what, if Herrera had played today, we'd probably have had done a bit better in midfield too... but could you honestly say we "sorely missed" Herrera?
That's different thing and not what I meant - not sure if Rooney would actually be better. Just going by your post where you said we'd probably be more dangerous with Rooney. And if we accept that scenario, then it's only logical that we'd miss him.
Now looking, it's really unimportant nitpicking, will stop.
Yeah I'd say we didn't miss him...there wasn't a notable difference without him. We've been poor in the closing stages in pretty much every game this season and we were quite good at moving the ball in all directions without him. Mata wasn't brilliant but he had his moments where he played the perfect pass into the perfect position which is my only criticism of Rooney who sometimes plays illogical passes. It's just a shame Mata isn't able to impose himself like Rooney can at times.
Its Mata's job to step up to the plate now that Rooney is out and to be fair even though on his day he can be as important as Rooney it just wasn't that day today which would be beautiful having the depth to sub him off for Rooney had he not being suspended.
Overall I think Rooney would've added much, much more to our attack and defensive play today, but Juan is consistent so I'm not worried.
Overall I think Rooney would've added much, much more to our attack and defensive play today, but Juan is consistent so I'm not worried.
Exactly. At least we know its only a 25 in here that are so biased.
Can't believe this is even a poll of course we miss him. One thing I don't understand is that people talk about selling Rooney because we have Mata or vica versa yet if we did that would make our team weaker, remember top teams have top players on the bench and even if Rooney is dropped etc at least we have him to bring off the bench instead of players like Fellaini ?
Mata was quiet rather than bad, but my preferred lineup would still see Mata behind a front 2 of Rooney and Falcao right.
He's undroppable, apparently.
Im happy, and unhappy. Because i rather see RvP or Falcao get suspended also atm and play with 2 wingers in a 433. Rooney takes down United more then he benefits United due his play style imho.
Is that because he's our captain or did we guarantee a starting spot for him in that bloody contract.
He's not undroppable. However he will almost always be picked when fit. Same as he was under Fergie. This is because he's a bloody good player.
That really shouldn't need to be spelled out but meh, this thread...
Yep, let's hope all our forwards get suspended... or injured or just give up on professional football - that'll sort the selection issues.
Christ the night.
That can change all change.
Mata didn't have a great game yesterday mainly because he was quiet and got caught in possession. That said he created four attacking chances, his ball retention in passing was very good, especially in their half and he got an assist.
Much prefer him to Rooney in that 10 role as he is (usually) better at moving the ball forward and I hate Rooney's long balls to the wings slowing down play.
Much prefer him to Rooney in that 10 role as he is (usually) better at moving the ball forward and I hate Rooney's long balls to the wings slowing down play.
In my opinion (minus Mata's non-existent defensive work) Mata and Rooney are a lot more similar than people seem to think. Mata's certainly more like Rooney than Silva, for example.
And it showed yesterday. Barely a difference in how we played. Inevitable bright start at home, but Mata had the sort of game that Rooney often gets criticised for: assisting but not dictating the game or contributing to us controlling the game properly.
Unless we go out and actually buy a proper no.10, I'd rather we just abandoned this system and went for 4-3-3.
Get Rooney inside forward on the left, and as a rotation option for the lone striker role when Falcao needs a rest.
And it showed yesterday. Barely a difference in how we played. Inevitable bright start at home, but Mata had the sort of game that Rooney often gets criticised for: assisting but not dictating the game or contributing to us controlling the game properly.
Unless we go out and actually buy a proper no.10, I'd rather we just abandoned this system and went for 4-3-3.
Get Rooney inside forward on the left, and as a rotation option for the lone striker role when Falcao needs a rest.
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The big difference between Mata and Rooney is the lack of support for Di Maria (and, yesterday, Valencia) when they carry the ball from deep at pace on the counter. Mata just can't keep up with them. This was definitely something we missed yesterday.
Rooney has a knack for seeing off players who are supposedly going to displace him from the team.
I remember when Chicarito was brought in, and Rooney was going through his post ankle injury/WC2010 slump. All the talk was that Chicarito's form might spell curtains for Rooney's place in the first XI.
Ditto when Kagawa and RvP were brought in. Kagawa a better No.10 apparently, and RvP a better number No.9.
And then when Mata was brought in and Januzaj emerged. Kagawa, Januzaj and Mata better No.10s, and RvP a better No.9.
And then when Falcao was brought in. Mata and Januzaj better No.10s, and RvP and Falcao better No.9s.
And what about Welbeck? Isn't he quicker, stronger and more suited to slick, passing football?
Where does the fat, slow and technically useless Wayne Rooney actually fit in?
Since then, Rooney has seen off Kagawa, Welbeck and Chicarito; LvG apparently prefers him over Mata in the No.10 role (and it's worth remembering that Mourinho also wanted to swap Mata for Rooney in summer 2013, and it was United themselves who leaked that); and RvP is hardly setting the world alight, and hasn't been at his best for 15 months now (and while he hasn't escaped criticism, he's not had anything like the amount of abuse and vitriol thrown at him that our soon-to-be all-time top scorer has).
There are lots of cows in other fields who are apparently much better than Wayne Rooney, if the people who are peeking over the hedgerows at them are to be believed. It's just that the farmers who look after our field never seem to agree, and when some of those other supposedly superior cows are brought onto the farm, the milk they produce is never as nice as Wayne's anyway.
We've just got this lovely little Beef Shorthorn who has done wonders for us down the years, and it's time some of you started to appreciate that, rather than casting envious glances at the Limousins across the way.
Christ, this complete distrust of Van Gaal! That so many on here actually want certain players to be injured or suspended so that Van Gaal is forced to make the "right" lineup decision against his wishes!
Another pretty lifeless display from van Persie. Surely he is the one who should make way for Rooney when he returns?
Without a shadow of a doubt.
He also shouldn't be consistently playing 90 minutes, while better players get the hook around him.
Unfortunately, I don't think Van Gaal would share that opinion.
Maybe, though I don't think Van Gaal will be entirely happy with him if he keeps playing like that. It's all a bit Berbatov, only not as cool.
Plus Berbatov can actually play semi-well with a partner.
One you have no idea of the level of support ive given Rooney from the off,until he soured the milk with many of us with the way he wrangled lucrative contracts,whatever way of the world.
Yes i believe at times hes been underrated and i also appreciate what hes given the club.
My post is about foresight and believe the manager has at least a three year plan that will include in my own selfish notions the above players i mentioned,or those in their ilk.
Is Wayne a better 10 than Mata? No.Is he a better second striker?Yes.
Is he a better striker than Van p?
Is he a better striker than Falcao?No
Good problems to have.
Anyway,im fickle with him as hes been a d i ck in my eyes at times,but im also fickle enough to celebrate every time little Mr Beef Shorthorn scores and and looks like hes trying to drive us forward.
I just see other alternatives out there that maybe suit what,i deem , suits van gaals overall philosophy.
As long as the partner is a long, smooth cigar.
I wasnt too worried about Rooney being out because we have such strength in depth in the attacking positions. But we're stronger with him in the team so Im looking forward to him coming back.
Mata was hardly in the game. Nice assist to Di Maria but otherwise an unremarkable display with no real link up with the strikers.
He has 2 more games to show his worth otherwise no-one should complain when Rooney walks back into the starting 11.
He has 2 more games to show his worth otherwise no-one should complain when Rooney walks back into the starting 11.
A new poll?
Who is going to milk Rooney?
Who is going to milk Rooney?