Rooney is out... (Poll)

Rooney out for 3 games...

  • Happy with that.

    Votes: 134 25.8%
  • We'll miss him.

    Votes: 386 74.2%

  • Total voters
    520
-------------Dave--------------
---whoever has ligaments/Rojo-----
Raf--------------------------Sshaw
-------------Blind-----------------
---Herrera-----------Dimaria-----
-------------Mata----------------
------Vanp-------------------------
--------------------Falcao

Looks a much more balanced team.

Im Happy.
 
On one hand I am curious to see how Falcao and RvP with Mata behind them will perform, on the other I'd rather see LvG try this in a relatively easy game instead of a 3 game ban for Rooney. If Falcao & RvP up front does not work we'll have to coop with it for 3 games and we kind of need the points atm...

So all in all not happy with this, better to work on a steady and stable first eleven instead of being forced to switch it around.
 
Excellent finishers are always missed.

But if it's a no.10 we need, then Mata is quite clearly better and can easily replace him.

Don't think the rest of the players will mind him not being there to hypocritically criticise them.
 
How does a team not miss one of its stars??

Even if we do have sufficient back-up as some people are claiming, it is definitely a headache for the manager to be short of one of the starting 11...regardless of who it is.

And if that person is the the club's leading goal scorer who has been one of the best performers (barring his lack of composure during the kick-out versus West Ham), then the headache worsens...so yes we will definitely miss his availability.

Having said that, I am anxious to see how this team and management copes with losing one of the front men. Because if not for Red Cards, injuries can be inevitable, so it'll be a learning lesson for all...

The horrible part is the learning has to happen against tougher opposition...especially against Sh**tty...cos I wanted Mourinho and LvG to be at full-strength for that face-off...oh well...
 
P.S. This poll definitely rekindles my faith in the CAF as a sensible place...with all the Anti-Rooney threads going around, one would think that the majority on here hate his guts...clearly not. :)
 
-------------Dave--------------
---whoever has ligaments/Rojo-----
Raf--------------------------Sshaw
-------------Blind-----------------
---Herrera-----------Dimaria-----
-------------Mata----------------
------Vanp-------------------------
--------------------Falcao

Looks a much more balanced team.

Im Happy.
Balanced in what sense? Mata behind 2 strikers requires a lot of defensive work and tracking back - which Rooney does better than anyone on the team.

I think the midfield will be more exposed with Rooney out of the team. Mata simply doesn't offer the same defensive/tracking back qualities that Rooney does. He's not that type of player.

A lot of people on this forum underestimate Rooney's contribution to the team.
 
Think it's a good thing he misses out on the Everton game, he tends to try and overdo things against them and it rarely pays off well.

We'll miss him for the other two games though.
 
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as much as I have criticised Rooney for his beavaviour towards the club in past, this red card is nothing to be hard on him.

He clearly wanted to make a professional foul and I would have expected every player to that in that situation to stop the counter attack. He overdid and we have to accept that red card and move on.

There is no way any question on him being our captain.
 
"Happy" about our best and most prolific striker in the season so far being banned (not dropped to the bench - actually banned) for the next three games. Including Everton and Chelsea.

"Happy about that"

Always figured that about one in four caftards is dumb as a bag of rocks but seeing that stat confirmed in the above poll is still kind of shocking.
 
"Happy" about our best and most prolific striker in the season so far being banned (not dropped to the bench - actually banned) for the next three games. Including Everton and Chelsea.

"Happy about that"

Always figured that about one in four caftards is dumb as a bag of rocks but seeing that stat confirmed in the above poll is still kind of shocking.

It is shocking isn't it ? I can understand not liking and even hating him but to the pt of being happy with his suspension ? Something is truly fecking wrong with a worrying percentage of caftards. Idiots IMHO.
 
"Happy" about our best and most prolific striker in the season so far being banned (not dropped to the bench - actually banned) for the next three games. Including Everton and Chelsea.

"Happy about that"

Always figured that about one in four caftards is dumb as a bag of rocks but seeing that stat confirmed in the above poll is still kind of shocking.
That is surprisingly positive from you.
 
"Happy" about our best and most prolific striker in the season so far being banned (not dropped to the bench - actually banned) for the next three games. Including Everton and Chelsea.

"Happy about that"

Always figured that about one in four caftards is dumb as a bag of rocks but seeing that stat confirmed in the above poll is still kind of shocking.
:lol:

If that was always your thinking - then WOW for accuracy! this poll kind of proves your accuracy, almost to the tee! :lol:

FWIW, I'd have voted for Rooney to be moved to the CF spot with Falcao, and Mata coming in at 10.

But yeah, happy that he's out? GTFO.
 
I voted happy with that and I did so because I'd like to see us cope without him.

I acknowledge however, that we are very unlikely to move him on, so we have him for the next 3-4 years or whatever it is, and that I obviously want him to succeed for the good of our club.
 
I voted happy with that and I did so because I'd like to see us cope without him.

I acknowledge however, that we are very unlikely to move him on, so we have him for the next 3-4 years or whatever it is, and that I obviously want him to succeed for the good of our club.
So really you would've preferred an "interested to see what happens" option then, maybe?

@Pexbo is to blame for this.
 
So really you would've preferred an "interested to see what happens" option then, maybe?

@Pexbo is to blame for this.

I just can't appreciate Rooney after his attempts to move, his public questioning of the club's ambitions. He's all for himself, rather than the club. At least that's how he comes across to me. I got the impression Ferguson would have moved him on if he got the right offer.

He's obviously a good footballer, but I think the aura around him is what it is only because we generally produce very average players in the UK (given the resources in our game and our population) and that there are many players around the world who for me at least, relegate Rooney to very good rather than world super star á la Messi and Ronaldo.

He's our captain only because I reckon it would have put his nose out of joint had RVP been given it. We seem subservient to him as a club, I don't think that's healthy - perhaps Barca and Madrid are to Messi and Ronaldo, but I think they provide more back.

I don't know him, but I don't like how he comes across (so don't particularly "like" him) and feel he's not got much to say and doesn't appear to be a very inspiring character.

I also felt that for a long time too much of our game was routed through him - that he tried to play a multitude of roles, most of which he does not excel at - for me he should be a striker, but he tries to be Paul Scholes without the tackles (this weekend excepted) and his spraying of passes across the pitch slows our play down.

I think because he takes such a prominent role we aren't as fluid as we could be. I do acknowledge that he works hard, covers a lot of ground, and in that respect he does set an example I suppose, but I do feel he does it because he thinks he's the dog's bollox, not because he is the dog's bollox. That said though, the lack of a decent CM for so long has led to this so managers are to blame too.

Whatever.

He's a scouser.
 
This is a pretty mad poll to be honest, are we really going to be better off without our most productive player goals, assists, work rate wise?

And to think people are hailing Mata as some sort of saviour who apart for 2 tap ins has done feck all this season. People need to drop the Rooney agenda despite his off field antics he's always been a great player for us and gives his all in the red shrt.
 
This is a pretty mad poll to be honest, are we really going to be better off without our most productive player goals, assists, work rate wise?

And to think people are hailing Mata as some sort of saviour who apart for 2 tap ins has done feck all this season. People need to drop the Rooney agenda despite his off field antics he's always been a great player for us and gives his all in the red shrt.

Bit daft to call people out about a "Rooney agenda" then say Mata has done "feck all".
 
Bit daft to call people out about a "Rooney agenda" then say Mata has done "feck all".

You can bury your head in the sand all you want but there is a lot of sentiment in this forum that Rooney is keeping the better player in Mata out of the team, has been mentioned in this thread too. Despite Rooney clearly out performing him this season.
 
This is a pretty mad poll to be honest, are we really going to be better off without our most productive player goals, assists, work rate wise?

And to think people are hailing Mata as some sort of saviour who apart for 2 tap ins has done feck all this season. People need to drop the Rooney agenda despite his off field antics he's always been a great player for us and gives his all in the red shrt.

Not gonna happen. It's crazy really.
 
Rooney has been bang in form, scored goals and it seems to me like he has played a big part in helping bed the new players into the team. We will miss him big time. It's great to have Mata to be able to come in, but Rooney is our most in form player. People also hoping Januzaj can come in too - possibly one of our most out of form players. He's so far come off the bench and added nothing this season and whilst I rate him as a very good player, it seems people have just wanted Rooney out and Januzaj in for no apparent reason.
 
I just can't appreciate Rooney after his attempts to move, his public questioning of the club's ambitions. He's all for himself, rather than the club. At least that's how he comes across to me. I got the impression Ferguson would have moved him on if he got the right offer.

Hmm so it's OK for the fans to question the clubs ambition but not the players, although i agree he shouldn't have done it in public that was just moronic.

You have to remember when he said that it was just after we sold Cristiano Ronaldo for 80m and let Tevez go and replaced them with Michael Owen and Antonio Valencia and we lost out on the league to Chelsea. So i could understand his point at the time.
 
You can bury your head in the sand all you want but there is a lot of sentiment in this forum that Rooney is keeping the better player in Mata out of the team, has been mentioned in this thread too. Despite Rooney clearly out performing him this season.

I'm not blind, I know what a lot of people on the forum are saying - I was addressing what you were saying though. It's daft to jump on people about Rooney when you're doing the same about Mata.

It's hardly like Rooney has been incredible so far this season or anything.
 
You can bury your head in the sand all you want but there is a lot of sentiment in this forum that Rooney is keeping the better player in Mata out of the team, has been mentioned in this thread too. Despite Rooney clearly out performing him this season.

I won't be agreeing with that anytime soon. It would be nice if they could all play together, but sadly they can't, and for me Rooney is the slightly better player. One thing that highlights this was when we needed someone to come off the bench and make an impact against Leicester last weekend, and Mata naively lost the ball to De Laet which led to one of their goals. Rooney very very rarely loses the ball. Strength and determination are the two things that make Rooney the slightly better option for me.
 
I won't be agreeing with that anytime soon. It would be nice if they could all play together, but sadly they can't, and for me Rooney is the slightly better player. One thing that highlights this was when we needed someone to come off the bench and make an impact against Leicester last weekend, and Mata naively lost the ball to De Laet which led to one of their goals. Rooney very very rarely loses the ball. Strength and determination are the two things that make Rooney the slightly better option for me.

No i agree Rooney is the better player, i was pointing out a lot of people feel otherwise.
 
I'm not blind, I know what a lot of people on the forum are saying - I was addressing what you were saying though. It's daft to jump on people about Rooney when you're doing the same about Mata.

It's hardly like Rooney has been incredible so far this season or anything.


I'm not jumping on Mata. he's a fantastic player. It just not logical that people want Rooney dropped for Mata, i was criticising the idea not the player.
 
I'm not jumping on Mata. he's a fantastic player. It just not logical that people want Rooney dropped for Mata, i was criticising the idea not the player.

You said - and I quote - Mata has done "feck all" this season... which is criticisng a player, not an idea, and which, in a conversation about a comparison with Rooney, plainly isn't true. I'm not saying he's been better than, but then neither of them have been particularly brilliant. Mata had an excellent 60 or so minutes against QPR and has had other touches here and there, Rooney in total across, all games has probably racked up an excellent 90 or so minutes.

Basically, both can do better.
 
You said - and I quote - Mata has done "feck all" this season... which is criticisng a player, not an idea, and which, in a conversation about a comparison with Rooney, plainly isn't true. I'm not saying he's been better than, but then neither of them have been particularly brilliant. Mata had an excellent 60 or so minutes against QPR and has had other touches here and there, Rooney in total across, all games has probably racked up an excellent 90 or so minutes.

Basically, both can do better.

It will inevtiably turn into a comparison because they are both vying for the same position. Reason i said it is because people are actually happy Rooney is suspended so Mata can get some game time.

I think we have to agree to disagree on performances, for me Mata has been largely anonymous, a tap in against Sunderland then another tap in when he received an unintentional pass from Di Maria. On the other hand Rooney has been involved in a lot of our good plays in front of goal, of course adding in the excellent goals he has scored along with the assists, he has been better imo.
 
I think a lot of our fans want to see Mata play behind RVP and Falcao more so then there glad Rooney is suspended.

Personally I think Rooney is better playing the striker role then the #10, his always dropping deep anyway so it suits him more.

Mata on the other hand is a phenomenal #10 and is much better then Rooney in that position, the only down side is he don't track back which is why Rooney is picked ahead of him.
 
Given the situation we're in, Mata is a brilliant alternative.

But Rooney's been the best player across all the games so far this season, so it's stupid to think we wont miss him.
 
We'll miss him. In my opinion he has rediscovered his passion. Great to see that he's fired up. I don't actually mind seeing Rooney get a straight red from time to time - he needs to play with that sort of fire in his belly, it's the kind that can very easily topple over into stupidity, but that's part of who he is. And he won't be the first or last player who's prone to red cards - Scholes, Keane, and many others had the same wild side to their game.
 
I'm not happy with Rooney being out given he is our most in form striker. However I would hope we wouldn't miss him too much as we would have Mata, Van Persie and Falcao leading the attack.
 
I'm not happy with Rooney being out given he is our most in form striker. However I would hope we wouldn't miss him too much as we would have Mata, Van Persie and Falcao leading the attack.

Yeah, it's a daft poll (well the options are limited anyway) really... I'm not happy he's out (why would anyone be? We want to have everyone fit and not suspended for every game surely?) but similarly, I both hope and think we won't miss him - as we have enough quality players to step-up in his absence.

That is why we have a squad afterall...
 
I am never happy that a player get suspended. However I wish that someone else take the occasion and make the place his. There's nothing bad in some healthy competition for places
 
I'm far from Rooney's biggest fan, but who the hell is "happy" that he's banned for 3 games? I'd prefer to see Mata play the No.10 role, but on form I'd rather see Rooney start than RVP
 
5 appearances, 2 goals. What exactly does he have to prove more then that?