You are taking shit way to serious lol. Did i really have to put a big smiley next to that to make you not freak out? If theres anyone on here that adores Van Gaal since he was 5 years old its pretty much me.
Rooney is out... (Poll)
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You are taking shit way to serious lol. Did i really have to put a big smiley next to that to make you not freak out? If theres anyone on here that adores Van Gaal since he was 5 years old its pretty much me.
I saw this on Facebook:
I get as frustrated as anyone when he fails to control a simple ball, but he is more dynamic than Mata, and I think that will work better for us going forward.
I get as frustrated as anyone when he fails to control a simple ball, but he is more dynamic than Mata, and I think that will work better for us going forward.
I'm not sure that Van Persie is undroppable in Van Gaal's eyes; for example in the World Cup there was more than one tight game where he took Van Persie off before the end. I think him staying on for longer than Falcao in our recent matches shows that Van Gaal is giving him every opportunity he can to help him find form and fitness, but eventually he'll be dropped. Unless his form picks up that is.
My issue is whether or not Van Gaal rates Rooney enough as a number 9 to start him there; I have a feeling that if Van Persie or Falcao went down with injury, Van Gaal would sooner start Wilson or Januzaj than shift Rooney up higher and start Mata.
Are those stats true? I find that hard to believe right.
Rooney has 72 goals and 45 assists since then, but that's in every competition. Guess that could be league above.
EDIT: Yeah, just counted the league goals, and he's on 59.
The stats are right but the comparison is most likely misleading. There's probably a big difference in minutes played between the two of them.
Still, 91 goals and assists in 96 games is very good going regardles of what Aguero has done.
Yep.
Agüero
6,482 minutes
5-2
20-3
22-8
31-3
33 full 90-minute games
Rooney
7,799 minutes
6-0
27-2
22-5
32-2
67 full 90-minute games
I think you may well be right about that, given what he said a couple of weeks ago about not rating Rooney's performances up top (or Mata's in midfield).
Even so, that's a goal/assist every 82 minutes from Aguero, and a goal/assist every 85 minutes from Rooney.
This in a period where even most United fans would concede Aguero has had a much stronger midfield behind him than Rooney has.
And yet Rooney (overrated, past it, not world class) has still pretty much managed to match Aguero (sublime, phenomenal, among the elite) for output.
Impressive stats for Rooney all the same.
I also think availability for selection is important when judging a player's effectiveness. When very good players have racked up significantly less minutes than their peers that should go down as a black mark against their overall contribution to the team. I mean, credit where it's due to Aguero for being so incredibly productive when fit but his injury record makes him less of a player than he could have been.
Yep, agreed. That's why I wanted to post those full 90-minute games and started/subbed stats.
For those inclined to dig up old posts feel free, I have had plenty of negative things to say about Rooney over the last 3 years or so, and this is not a bump to have a pop at Pex. I just think it is evident how much we have missed him in the center of the field, especially last night.
I was looking primarily at how cramped Di Maria and Shaw looked on the left and I think it was because Rooney had started to develop an understanding with Di Maria and would open space up for him to drive into, but with Mata in there Di Maria barely cut inside at all and him and Shaw seemed to be in each others way.
For me Rooney playing between Di Maria and Herrera as more of an AM than a #10 was working really well, it offered more protection when we lost the ball and his presence in the middle created space for others, where as West Brom didn't even need to bother worrying about Mata.
Rooney divides opinion for many reasons but I think surely we can all see that in our current squad he is a key component, the sooner he is back the better.
I was looking primarily at how cramped Di Maria and Shaw looked on the left and I think it was because Rooney had started to develop an understanding with Di Maria and would open space up for him to drive into, but with Mata in there Di Maria barely cut inside at all and him and Shaw seemed to be in each others way.
For me Rooney playing between Di Maria and Herrera as more of an AM than a #10 was working really well, it offered more protection when we lost the ball and his presence in the middle created space for others, where as West Brom didn't even need to bother worrying about Mata.
Rooney divides opinion for many reasons but I think surely we can all see that in our current squad he is a key component, the sooner he is back the better.
We missed him last night. Plain and simple. Sometimes the link between the forwards and midfield wasn't there. Rooney would have dropped back to solve that.
One hundred and thirty three great men and women.
Since 2005, every time we don't have Rooney in the team we miss him.
But we were told it wouid be a good thing to have him out, to give Mata or Januzaj a go instead.
Those 133 people still astonish me 
The only good thing to come out of his suspension is that maybe a few United fans will start to appreciate what he brings to the team.
"Happy with that"
Incredible...
Incredible...
Because we were bang in form with him in the side...
That's not the point though is it. All that really matters is who is best in that #10 role; Mata or Rooney.
Well yes it is, people think we would have done better with Rooney, maybe we would have, but what about other games this season where Rooney played like crap and we lost? Mata was invisible last night, we know. We beat Everton though and really should have won last night. Certainly had the chances and conceded off the only two attacks WBA had. Would this thread have been bumped if we managed to sneak a late winner? Probably not.
So it's logic like this the Rooney haters use?
Rooney is a key player in this team who always give 100 % on the pitch.
Our record with him playing this season wasn't great was it? Neither was his form. Yeah he might have helped, so might have Mata if he played better, or Jones if he wasn't such a brainless lunatic.So it's logic like this the Rooney haters use?
Rooney is a key player in this team who always give 100 % on the pitch.
It's not a either/or situation. It's just that many here have a belief that if we are playing badly, the chances of Rooney pulling us out is much higher than Mata.
They wont, unfortunately.
Some fans just don't like him for their own reasons and use that dislike to try and paint him as a lazy, ineffective player.
Yeah well that might be true, but we all know Mata is capable of pulling out something special too. Maybe if Rooney didn't do something so daft then we wouldn't be speaking about this. Still, him playing wouldn't guarantee anything. He was part of that Leicester catastrophe, and the first 3 games too and didn't pull us through any of them.
I like it how a single game is regarded as a proof that Rooney is indispensable for the team. As if we were flying against Swansea, Burnley, Sunderland, etc. BTW, didn't LvG say that the game last night was our best so far? There isn't much between Mata and Rooney right now. Both are far from being world class at the moment.
I can't think of a game this season where Rooney has disappeared in the way Mata did. Rooney's movement has at least been creating space for other players and his defensive work is obviously much better than Mata's. If you don't agree then that's that, but it's obvious to me that he's been playing better than Mata.
Then there's always the stats that Rooney has 3 goals and 2 assists, to Mata's 2 and 1. But they never tell the whole picture of course.
I voted that I was happy with him being out, not because I think we don't need Rooney or that he is a bad player. I did want to see what Mata and/or Januzaj could do in the system, and I think these are the only 3 games he'll miss barring any injury/suspension. It was a good way to get some experimentation in to the team, but it has shown that he is important. He'd be a much better 9 at this point than RvP anyways. It will be nice to have him back when he does come back.
Orton really does dislike Rooney. You were one of the 133 weren't you? Okay I have a question for you or anyone who voted "yes" here. Mata has been in terrible form and largely ineffective in the Rooney role. If, hypothetically, Mata were to get a 3 game ban, how many of you would vote "yes" to the same question?
Stats mean nothing right now, RVP has 2 goals, Falcao has 2 assists, and to be honest neither of them are setting the league alight right now, and neither is Rooney. Of course he can put in a better shift than Mata but controlling the game wasn't the problem last night as we conceded off the only 2 chances they had. Mata needs to sort himself out I agree.
I didn't vote as I found the poll daft. Of course we want our best players available all the time but not having Rooney last night isn't the reason we didn't win.
The United fans on here who hate him enough to actually want him injured or suspended are the type who don't think in terms of the "team". They just play favourites and hateds with players like little girls with boy bands.
They won't change.
To be fair, it's more than likely we'd have still dropped points yesterday what with Jones playing like David Luiz. 4 points out of 6 is not too bad all things said and done. That said, we do lack something when he's not there. Both Di Maria and Herrera also looked like they were gelling with him before the red.
Only good thing about the red is that it will at least stop people from overrating Mata as some kind of genius number 10. That myth should be well and truly busted now.
Only good thing about the red is that it will at least stop people from overrating Mata as some kind of genius number 10. That myth should be well and truly busted now.
Not quite. Mata may have had the reputation but his time at United has pushed that off to the back of people's minds. Blame it on Moyes, overall team sluggishness or whatever, but this Mata is not trusted to be a game changer. Rooney is. Simple as. Effective or not Rooney has always been there trying to make things happen something which I don't think Mata does as good.
It was a combination of things, Herrera not being fully fit, Januzaj playing like a league 2 player and Mata just not turning up. Can't really expect that. On paper the line up looked good.
Rooney's not been much of a game changer in recent times though, has he? Not consistently anyway. Di Maria is a game changer, don't think we have anymore of those at thee moment.
Not sure if serious.
Can you name one game this season where Mata contributed to our overall performance as much as Rooney did in the various games he played after we signed Di Maria?