Rooney is out... (Poll)

Rooney out for 3 games...

  • Happy with that.

    Votes: 134 25.8%

  • We'll miss him.

    Votes: 386 74.2%
  • Total voters
    520
Two completely different players - Rooney and Mata. I think the No.10 in our diamond suits Rooney, he can basically run where he wants and tackle back whenver he likes. This annoys me when he plays up top. He does have that mentality where he wants to be involved all the time, which can be to his detriment. The No.10 suits him.

Mata is completely different - he is the focal point for the moves, good touch and an eye for a pass. All the moves go through him, he's "busy" like Herrera, here there and everywhere. Very, very lightweight and can be found wanting physically.

It will be interesting to see how Mata plays. It is the one position we have quality cover. I like Mata, this will play to his strengths. No excuses.
 
Jonno said:
I won't be agreeing with that anytime soon. It would be nice if they could all play together, but sadly they can't, and for me Rooney is the slightly better player. One thing that highlights this was when we needed someone to come off the bench and make an impact against Leicester last weekend, and Mata naively lost the ball to De Laet which led to one of their goals. Rooney very very rarely loses the ball. Strength and determination are the two things that make Rooney the slightly better option for me.
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It was hardly naive - he was played an awful ball by Rojo that put him in trouble immediately. That Mata wasn't strong enough to ride the challenge and hold the ball is another thing.
 
Dr Fink said:
Two completely different players - Rooney and Mata. I think the No.10 in our diamond suits Rooney, he can basically run where he wants and tackle back whenver he likes. This annoys me when he plays up top. He does have that mentality where he wants to be involved all the time, which can be to his detriment. The No.10 suits him.

Mata is completely different - he is the focal point for the moves, good touch and an eye for a pass. All the moves go through him, he's "busy" like Herrera, here there and everywhere. Very, very lightweight and can be found wanting physically.

It will be interesting to see how Mata plays. It is the one position we have quality cover. I like Mata, this will play to his strengths. No excuses.
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Now this is interesting..........Mata is good as a focal point, moves the ball well but is a little lightweight. So perhaps the football we are playing is not yet at the level where Mata can be most effective? Did anyone read those comments from Alonso about how the english game so highly values the ability to tackle, something he couldn't understand? His contention was that tackling is a last resort which is needed only once you have lost the ball.

I think if we can play better football technically, we would be a better team with a Mata than a Rooney. I suppose the question is, can that kind of game work in our league?
 
It's not just Mata who might shine now, it's also RvP and Falcao. It's obvious that RvP and Rooney play more against each other than with each other, while RvP and Falcao already have a good understanding on and off the pitch (and LvG has actually said that he prefers them as strikers to Rooney).

Plus his defensive contribution at times consists of giving away fouls in dangerous areas. Regarding missing him, well our young 10-men team actually managed to defend the lead without him. In addition players like De Gea, Rojo and Herrera who hardly speak English and who haven't been with the club for long at all, looked more like leaders (encouraging McNair and each other) than Rooney did against Leicester.

Ppl just need to calm down, we are just missing our "worst" striker, but some ppl are acting as if Chelsea were missing Costa.
 
pseudo_canadian said:
Balanced in what sense? Mata behind 2 strikers requires a lot of defensive work and tracking back - which Rooney does better than anyone on the team.

I think the midfield will be more exposed with Rooney out of the team. Mata simply doesn't offer the same defensive/tracking back qualities that Rooney does. He's not that type of player.

A lot of people on this forum underestimate Rooney's contribution to the team.
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Dimaria,Blind, Herrera workrates are higher and theydo more with the ball,Mata in anormal 10 role will get his best and allows a lot of variation.Im thinking,with two naturally aggressive fullbacks adding width,vanPersie getting a stab at his "9"and a half role with Falcao spearheading we are going to see a team galvanise over the next three games.

But sure,we ll see.
 
I really can't understand that more than 25% are "Happy with that". Do we have so much non-United supporters here?
 
Tbh RvP is great but I would have preferred him to miss 3 games in his current zombie form than an in form rooney. Still Mata should do well and force us to use only 2 strikers you think though Juan is basically a striker too nowadays.
 
bugmat said:
Tbh RvP is great but I would have preferred him to miss 3 games in his current zombie form than an in form rooney. Still Mata should do well and force us to use only 2 strikers you think though Juan is basically a striker too nowadays.
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Tbh RVP was quite good in the game vs West Ham and he now scored two goals in the last two games.
 
Dans said:
I just can't appreciate Rooney after his attempts to move, his public questioning of the club's ambitions. He's all for himself, rather than the club. At least that's how he comes across to me. I got the impression Ferguson would have moved him on if he got the right offer.

He's obviously a good footballer, but I think the aura around him is what it is only because we generally produce very average players in the UK (given the resources in our game and our population) and that there are many players around the world who for me at least, relegate Rooney to very good rather than world super star á la Messi and Ronaldo.

He's our captain only because I reckon it would have put his nose out of joint had RVP been given it. We seem subservient to him as a club, I don't think that's healthy - perhaps Barca and Madrid are to Messi and Ronaldo, but I think they provide more back.

I don't know him, but I don't like how he comes across (so don't particularly "like" him) and feel he's not got much to say and doesn't appear to be a very inspiring character.

I also felt that for a long time too much of our game was routed through him - that he tried to play a multitude of roles, most of which he does not excel at - for me he should be a striker, but he tries to be Paul Scholes without the tackles (this weekend excepted) and his spraying of passes across the pitch slows our play down.

I think because he takes such a prominent role we aren't as fluid as we could be. I do acknowledge that he works hard, covers a lot of ground, and in that respect he does set an example I suppose, but I do feel he does it because he thinks he's the dog's bollox, not because he is the dog's bollox. That said though, the lack of a decent CM for so long has led to this so managers are to blame too.
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Nailed on, Dans. Or maybe we are just another spoiled United fans who are expecting more from our supposedly 'best player', just by looking back our past.

Although recognizing Rooney's contribution to United success, I still can't connect myself to him as United fan. I actually shed a tear when Nani finally made his breakthrough on that game against Arsenal, or that grateful feeling to Carrick when his presence allowed Scholes to be 'back' at his best again. Or seeing in awe as Cantona's inspiring figure gliding through the pitch.

Football is an 'emotional' game, so that 'feeling' is important for me to 'like' one player. Or maybe we should be just being all thought and logical, where football is all based on statistics.
 
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We will miss him not being out there, but not by a huge amount. With Falcao and RVP both fit we should be right up top, and we have Mata who can come in at the number ten role if we want, or can even play Adnan as well to give him some game time. Up top we have the cover to make up for his lose for a few games at least.
 
We'll miss Herrera (if he is out) more than we'll miss Rooney.
 
How on Earth anyone is happy that our captain and arguably second best player (after Di Maria) this season will miss three games, 2 of them very difficult ones? Weird! Especially considering that RVP and Falcao haven't been that good this season.
 
united_99 said:
It's not just Mata who might shine now, it's also RvP and Falcao. It's obvious that RvP and Rooney play more against each other than with each other, while RvP and Falcao already have a good understanding on and off the pitch (and LvG has actually said that he prefers them as strikers to Rooney).

Plus his defensive contribution at times consists of giving away fouls in dangerous areas. Regarding missing him, well our young 10-men team actually managed to defend the lead without him. In addition players like De Gea, Rojo and Herrera who hardly speak English and who haven't been with the club for long at all, looked more like leaders (encouraging McNair and each other) than Rooney did against Leicester.

Ppl just need to calm down, we are just missing our "worst" striker, but some ppl are acting as if Chelsea were missing Costa.
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We're not just missing our worst striker, we're now going to miss a player who can seamlessly transfer from being a defender to a midfielder to a striker whilst having a greater work rate than anyone else in the team. These are not 3rd rate sides we are going up against in the coming weeks, we need players who can create something out of nothing and if there is one thing Mata has demonstrated in his time at United, it's that he needs the rest of the team to be clicking for him to work. When it does, there is no doubting that he is a better No. 10 than Rooney and RVP an Falcao are better strikers than Rooney, but none of them can do both to the level Rooney can and that may hurt us if we play like we have been and give the ball away needlessly.
 
united_99 said:
It's not just Mata who might shine now, it's also RvP and Falcao. It's obvious that RvP and Rooney play more against each other than with each other, while RvP and Falcao already have a good understanding on and off the pitch (and LvG has actually said that he prefers them as strikers to Rooney).

Plus his defensive contribution at times consists of giving away fouls in dangerous areas. Regarding missing him, well our young 10-men team actually managed to defend the lead without him. In addition players like De Gea, Rojo and Herrera who hardly speak English and who haven't been with the club for long at all, looked more like leaders (encouraging McNair and each other) than Rooney did against Leicester.

Ppl just need to calm down, we are just missing our "worst" striker, but some ppl are acting as if Chelsea were missing Costa.
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:lol: awesome...
 
Rooney 5 goals/assists (received passes from Jones, Herrera and Rafael, passed to Herrera and Di Maria)
van Persie 2 goals
Falcao 2 assists (both to van Persie)

Rooney contributed to five goals, van Persie and Falcao combined contributed to just two.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yet he's scored/created more goals than any of them. I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word "worst".
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Well LvG probably doesn't either then. RvP and Falcao also have better conversion rates.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Rooney 5 goals/assists (received passes from Jones, Herrera and Rafael, passed to Herrera and Di Maria)
van Persie 2 goals
Falcao 2 assists (both to van Persie)

Rooney contributed to five goals, van Persie and Falcao combined contributed to just two.
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And how many minutes did all of them play? I am sure Rooney has played less than the others, or? :rolleyes:
:lol: Also love how you put RvP's and Falcao's contribution down "contributed to combined 2"
 
There is virtually no interplay between Rooney and the strikers, especially RVP. Rooney's red gives us an opportunity to see how Mata manages to link up with them.
 
united_99 said:
Also love how you put RvP's and Falcao's contribution down "contributed to combined 2"
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That was the point, to highlight that Rooney, the worst striker we have, contributed to five different Manchester United goals, while van Persie and Falcao together to only two.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
That was the point, to highlight that Rooney, the worst striker we have, contributed to five different Manchester United goals, while van Persie and Falcao together to only two.
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If you want to go that route, then you could also argue that Rooney almost cost us three points with his red. You could then also go on and argue how many of Rooney's goals/assists actually were crucial goals/assists which won us points - which is if he scored the first goal and not the third in a 3-0 win - this way for example both goals against West Ham were crucial, as both were needed to win 2-1 and thus three points. This way all RvP's/Rooney's/Rafael's and Falcao's goals/assists were of similar importance.
You see, works both ways ...

Above all RvP played less this season and without any pre season while Falcao played even less than RvP. We'll see where we are with goals/assists once they all have equal amounts of minutes under their belt.
 
I'm not going that route, I'm on a highway! I'm not interested in 'cruciality' of goals.

Btw, you're talking as if van Persie played much less than Rooney. Discounting first game, where he wasn't available, van Persie played just 13 minutes less than the Captain. Has three in a row 90 minutes games.

I don't mind that, he's a fine player, as hopefully Falcao will be too. They just aren't yet better than Rooney.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
I'm not going that route, I'm on a highway! I'm not interested in 'cruciality' of goals.

Btw, you're talking as if van Persie played much less than Rooney. Discounting first game, where he wasn't available, van Persie played just 13 minutes less than the Captain. Has three in a row 90 minutes games.

I don't mind that, he's a fine player, as hopefully Falcao will be too. They just aren't yet better than Rooney.
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Van Persie had no pre season at all. Surely you can give him the benefit of the doubt considering how long Rooney actually takes to hit form after breaks.
All opinions, for me RvP and Falcao are better than Rooney.
 
Dans said:
I just can't appreciate Rooney after his attempts to move, his public questioning of the club's ambitions. He's all for himself, rather than the club. At least that's how he comes across to me. I got the impression Ferguson would have moved him on if he got the right offer.

He's obviously a good footballer, but I think the aura around him is what it is only because we generally produce very average players in the UK (given the resources in our game and our population) and that there are many players around the world who for me at least, relegate Rooney to very good rather than world super star á la Messi and Ronaldo.

He's our captain only because I reckon it would have put his nose out of joint had RVP been given it. We seem subservient to him as a club, I don't think that's healthy - perhaps Barca and Madrid are to Messi and Ronaldo, but I think they provide more back.

I don't know him, but I don't like how he comes across (so don't particularly "like" him) and feel he's not got much to say and doesn't appear to be a very inspiring character.

I also felt that for a long time too much of our game was routed through him - that he tried to play a multitude of roles, most of which he does not excel at - for me he should be a striker, but he tries to be Paul Scholes without the tackles (this weekend excepted) and his spraying of passes across the pitch slows our play down.

I think because he takes such a prominent role we aren't as fluid as we could be. I do acknowledge that he works hard, covers a lot of ground, and in that respect he does set an example I suppose, but I do feel he does it because he thinks he's the dog's bollox, not because he is the dog's bollox. That said though, the lack of a decent CM for so long has led to this so managers are to blame too.

Whatever.

He's a scouser.
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Just read this. Good comment. Be interesting to see how we play without Rooney. As you said, appreciate his contribution, but just don't find him inspiring unfortunately.... I'd be curious to know what his team-mates think of him, especially the new lads...
 
So far I like what I am seeing...... Much more fluid and dynamic going forward. Dare I say we are not missing him? Not yet anyway, and I would bet we don't miss him at all.
 
Say Falcao or RvP goes down (look at their past) ..... how happy are we then?

I am happy to see Mata get a chance. Happy Rooney is out ...... no.
 
I don't think we really missed him, we looked just as creative without him than with him. That being said, I'd still rather he played than RVP or Falcao.
 
Well Mata had his chance today to show that Rooney isn't needed and he blew it.

Every part of Mata's game was slow, where much quicker play was needed. Rooney is hardly blistering fast himself, but he's much quicker on the ball than Mata.

I think Rooney's place in the hole behind the strikers is assured and Mata has a very uncertain future with us tbh.
 
I'd still prefer to see rooney up top with mata behind

But either way he has to play. Still think he is our most important player even with all the newbies
 
Dans said:
So far I like what I am seeing...... Much more fluid and dynamic going forward. Dare I say we are not missing him? Not yet anyway, and I would bet we don't miss him at all.
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Heh. Good example of watching what you want rather than what's actually happening
 
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