Rooney is out... (Poll)

Rooney out for 3 games...

  • Happy with that.

    Votes: 134 25.8%
  • We'll miss him.

    Votes: 386 74.2%

  • Total voters
    520
We created quite a lot chances without him and with van persie and Mata both playing poorly, and defensively we weren't poor at all, they actually hardly created a chance apart from goals from our mistakes. Van Gaal said that was our best performance and it was without Rooney playing. And I like when people start saying that is obvious we are missing him when in reality we had quite poor start of the season with him playing all the time.
 
We created quite a lot chamces without him and with van persie and Mata both playing poorly, and defensively we weren't poor at all, they actually hardly created a chamce apart from goals from our mistakes. Van Gaal said that was our best performance and it was without Rooney playing.

That's just a strange post. Seems to be intended to claim that Rooney wouldn't improve us, while admitting that the two players he would most likely replace were both poor. Huh?
 
Rooney is frustrating as hell at times with his clumsy touches but he brings vital balance to the team while contributing goals. If we acknowledge Di Maria has the talent to justify a free role without serious defensive responsibilities, then we can't afford another defensive lightweight like Mata at no. 10.
 
How about the goal or assist he averaged in every game he played last season? Or do they not count?
It's not how I'd describe pulling us through games anyway. That would be Di Maria against Everton or QPR. I'm not doubting his goals/assists, but overall he's been very inconsistent and has had about as many bad games as good games recently.
 
Rooney's not been much of a game changer in recent times though, has he? Not consistently anyway. Di Maria is a game changer, don't think we have anymore of those at thee moment.

Agree on this. It's just that on comparing with Mata, he comes out on top. The thing is a game changer would be one who tips a tight game in our favour. What we seem to need at the moment is a miracle worker who can score miracle goals to balance the mediocrity elsewhere and I don't think there are any globally.

I'm a big fan of Mata too. I think he is better as a free roaming SS rather than purely a #10. His goals/assists in PL were best when at Chelsea behind Drogba. Personally, if we get rid of the two striker formation and play Mata behind Rooney, I think we'll see the best of both.
 
Still can't decide whether he would have made any difference last night or not...
 
Ofcourse we miss him, Mata simply doesn't bring enough to justify his lack of defensive abilities and the lack of pace is unwelcome. Or RVP who clearly though capable of scoring looks way off for a leading striker.
 
Not sure if serious.

Can you name one game this season where Mata contributed to our overall performance as much as Rooney did in the various games he played after we signed Di Maria?

How do you measure the contribution to our overall performance? Through stats or just by watching what's hapenning on the pitch? Didn't Mata score our only goal vs Burnley? That's one game where he did more than Rooney? Maybe I missed Rooney's contributions in that game, I can't remember anything he did in it. Honestly, I don't think that Rooney's been particularly good so far. Maybe he's been slightly less average than Mata, just maybe. Maybe I'm mistaken though. Personally, I expect much more from both of them, much more.
 
That's just a strange post. Seems to be intended to claim that Rooney wouldn't improve us, while admitting that the two players he would most likely replace were both poor. Huh?


Even Kagawa and Hernandez would improve us yesterday looking how average Mata and van Persie were. We weren't missing Rooney because he is heartbeat of our team as some of you are trying to imply.
 
Were a better team with him than without him. Actually thought he started the season well.

But having Rooney wouldnt have stopped our brain farts in defence. However having him might have meant playing one up top yesterday and that one being Rooney instead of RVP (though it probably would have been Rooney behind RVP)
 
Even Kagawa and Hernandez would improve us yesterday looking how average Mata and van Persie were. We weren't missing Rooney because he is heartbeat of our team as some of you are trying to imply.

Only he is.

As has been proved beyond any reasonable doubt, time after time, season after season. Dropped points in his absence are as inevitable as the changing of the seasons and the steadfast refusal of some blinkered fans to accept how important he is to the team.
 
I was hoping that the silver lining to his ban would he Mata stepping up and showing LVG he should be playing in that position, which would push Rooney forward again which I believed was a better combination of the two of them.

As it is, it's just underlined how much we miss the silly scouse twunt.
 
I was hoping that the silver lining to his ban would he Mata stepping up and showing LVG he should be playing in that position, which would push Rooney forward again which I believed was a better combination of the two of them.

As it is, it's just underlined how much we miss the silly scouse twunt.

Yeah and it's a real shame that arguably our most impressive away peformance lacked the cutting edge to make the most of all that possession. Could have been a massive confidence boost ahead of the weekend.

Of course, it's all his own fault. Let's not forget that. Silly boy.
 
Only he is.

As has been proved beyond any reasonable doubt, time after time, season after season. Dropped points in his absence are as inevitable as the changing of the seasons and the steadfast refusal of some blinkered fans to accept how important he is to the team.

Keep living the dream where you and your pals think he is one of the very best players in the world.
 
Only he is.

As has been proved beyond any reasonable doubt, time after time, season after season. Dropped points in his absence are as inevitable as the changing of the seasons and the steadfast refusal of some blinkered fans to accept how important he is to the team.

This. We always look better with Rooney than without him. Not even sure why that's the case at times but it's undeniably true.

Even Kagawa and Hernandez would improve us yesterday looking how average Mata and van Persie were. We weren't missing Rooney because he is heartbeat of our team as some of you are trying to imply.

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This. We always look better with Rooney than without him. Not even sure why that's the case at times but it's undeniably true.

Yeah, agree with that. There's something almost intangible about it. He might not even be on top of his game as an individual, but the whole team seems to function much better with than without him. Obviously, like all footballers, there will be days when he contributes very little or plays very poorly but it's clear as the nose on your face that we're more of a threat when he's in the team. If anyone could tick the "Happy with that" box in this poll, you can bet your arse that Jose Mourinho would!
 
Results with Rooney weren't much better either. Until we manage to learn how to defend half decently we will keep dropping silly points.
 
We scored two goals in both of the last two games without Rooney despite Mata and van Persie playing poorly. You'd think we're struggling for goals, I'm not sure we'd score 4-5 with Rooney, we'd have probably still kept it at 2-3 and defensively we'd still be crap.
 
Results with Rooney weren't much better either. Until we manage to learn how to defend half decently we will keep dropping silly points.

For sure. We're still better going forwards with Rooney in the team than we are without him.

Attacking football aside, he covers more ground and works harder than either of Van Persie or Mata (assuming he takes the place of one of them in the team) That's going to make us a little less likely to concede as well.
 
I think there is a mistake here, the numbers don't add up. The total minutes is ~3300 minutes.

Minutes are from transfermarkt, but I think all fits. He did play 94 games (78 of the starts), but only 33 times did he manage to play the whole 90+ minutes of a match.
 
Rooney is a leader who gees up the players around him. To say we haven't missed him is a pretty facile analysis.

One of the hallmarks of Fergie's reign is that he gave a high priority to having leaders all over the pitch. It's why we were consistently able to compete with teams who had more talented first XI's in Europe. People miss the point when they look purely at footballing ability when assessing a player. Rooney is still a crucial cog in the United machine and one of the few Fergie-esque players left in the squad.
 
For sure. We're still better going forwards with Rooney in the team than we are without him.

Attacking football aside, he covers more ground and works harder than either of Van Persie or Mata (assuming he takes the place of one of them in the team) That's going to make us a little less likely to concede as well.

We were great going forward against West Brom and decent against Everton, with Rooney missing.

We were average going forward against Swansea, Sunderland and Burnley.
 
It's not how I'd describe pulling us through games anyway. That would be Di Maria against Everton or QPR. I'm not doubting his goals/assists, but overall he's been very inconsistent and has had about as many bad games as good games recently.
If you're not doubting it but claim he doesn't change games I'm not sure what you're talking about. Goals and assists are what changes games, no?
 
If you're not doubting it but claim he doesn't change games I'm not sure what you're talking about. Goals and assists are what changes games, no?
Last season he had a good goal/assist record, but saying he pulled us through games is a bit off the mark considering how bad we done, and he's not pulled us through any games this season.
 
We were great going forward against West Brom and decent against Everton, with Rooney missing.

Don't agree with that at all. We kept passing the ball neatly until we got to the final third, then seemed to run out of ideas other than get the ball to Di Maria and hope he does something amazing. With so much possession, you'd have hoped their keeper might have had a busier afternoon than he did.

Don't think we were much cop against Everton either. They've conceded an average of 2 goals in every game they've played this season. We were unable to get above that average, playing at home. Can't remember Howard making a single decent save either.

We were average going forward against Swansea, Sunderland and Burnley.

Almost as though we've improved since Di Maria started playing, isn't it?
 
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Yep.

Here's one more :lol: in honour of your continually shit posts.

Just because you don't agree with me? You are laughing at my post which isn't bad assumption at all considering how shit van Persie and Mata are at the moment, but yet you are thinking highly of yourself even though you just said one of the stupidest things you'll read here, that we are missing Rooney even though you can't explain what he brings to this team/why are missing him, but yet you are sure we're missing him. That's some high quality posting from you.
 
Don't agree with that at all. We kept passing the ball neatly until we got to the final third, then seemed to run out of ideas other than get the ball to Di Maria and hope he does something amazing.

Don't think we were much cop against Everton either. They've conceded an average of 2 goals in every game they've played this season. We were unable to get above that average, playing at home.



Almost as though we've improved since Di Maria started playing, isn't it?

We kept the ball very well against West Brom, something that wasn't really a routine before.

Di Maria played against Burnley. I agree though that he's our main creative force at the minute. Rooney or no Rooney we did well in the previous two games, as I've said while having van Persie and Mata underperforming.
 
I think the real problem is, Mata got his chance and he haven't take it. Having said that apart from Di-Maria non of our forward look convincing.
Right now Rooney should be ahead of Mata.
We certainly need identity (leader) and Rooney has one. I think it also show reason why he is captain of our club.
 
We kept the ball very well against West Brom, something that wasn't really a routine before.

Di Maria played against Burnley. I agree though that he's our main creative force at the minute. Rooney or no Rooney we did well in the previous two games, as I've said while having van Persie and Mata underperforming.

Barely. He was blatantly half-fit in that game and faded really quickly.

Like I said, disagree with your opinion on the last two games. Our attacking football in those two games wasn't even close to what we produced against QPR, Leicester and West Ham (until Rooney got sent off anyway) The Leicester game was by far our most impressive display of attacking football this season, against a team that other sides have found hard to break down. Rooney was heavily involved in all our best work in that game, unsurprisingly.
 
I think the real problem is, Mata got his chance and he haven't take it. Having said that apart from Di-Maria non of our forward look convincing.
Right now Rooney should be ahead of Mata.
We certainly need identity (leader) and Rooney has one. I think it also show reason why he is captain of our club.

I think Rooney is a better striker than no.10 would rather just put Rooney up top. Whether that means leaving Mata at no.10 or bringing in another midfielder for more solidity is another debate. Though saying that, I think a Rooney - Falcao partnership could work.
 
Just because you don't agree with me? You are laughing at my post which isn't bad assumption at all considering how shit van Persie and Mata are at the moment, but yet you are thinking highly of yourself even though you just said one of the stupidest things you'll read here, that we are missing Rooney even though you can't explain what he brings to this team/why are missing him, but yet you are sure we're missing him. That's some high quality posting from you.

More of a terrible assumption given that Mata's performances have been no worse than Kagawa's even against WBA. And it's utterly laughable to suggest Hernandez would have done better than RVP given that RVP wasn't even that bad.

If only I had said that eh? It's obvious what Rooney brings to the team unless you're blind. But there's also a part of his game which is very hard to quantify or describe that we miss when he's not playing. And this is a conclusion based on watching Rooney play for 10 years now at United. People have been calling Rooney the heartbeat of the team for as long as I can remember, even when Ronaldo was here. So, it's not just me.