Ticked the former because I'm happy Mata will get a chance, rather than being happy Rooney is out. I'd like to choose both tbh.
Rooney is out... (Poll)
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Against Everton is could be a blessing in disguise, away to West Brom and at home to Chelsea we'll miss him though as he has a good goal scoring record against both
straight red, that is always a 3 match ban
I think Mata is better as a number 10 behind one striker or, perhaps as a 10 in 4-4-1-1. I'll see how he gets on at the forward tip of the diamond before making further judgements. The problem with the diamond is that the box-to-box pair may be drawn out wider to cover our exposed flanks relying on that player in front of the diamond to do a defensive job.
Yes, Mata has a better first touch and more intricate short range passing than Rooney but Wayne is the more complete footballer.
Of course we'll miss Rooney. Since we've changed formation, he's been one of a brighter players, in my opinion. That said, it will now give the opportunity to Mata, Januzaj, etc, to try and stake their claim, whilst Wazz is out. We'll definitely miss him, though. Any team would miss his goals, assists and work rate.
Seriously how many times do we have to clear this up?
yeap it not hard really , straight red 3 games, 2 yellows 2 games.
One of the most ridiculous threads, ever!
Yellow a game.
Idea for another thread....Who will get the blame now Rooney is out for a few games?
Obviously Fletch will get it! (if he starts) but other notable mentions should go to DDG and Rafael.
Obviously Fletch will get it! (if he starts) but other notable mentions should go to DDG and Rafael.
I thought straight red is one game, hence Blackett was only suspended for West Ham. Look it up, he'll be available for Everton and this will confirm this. Straight red with violent conduct is 3 games.
Idea for another thread....Who will get the blame now Rooney is out for a few games?
Obviously Fletch will get it! (if he starts) but other notable mentions should go to DDG and Rafael.
Eh? Probably two of our most supported players.
Embarassing that this shit needs to be cleared up. A straight red is a one game ban unless the disciplinary committee decide to add 2 more.That's why it's an important point whether Rooney just made a professional foul, or just lashed out like an "animal" as has been claimed on here.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-skipper-vincent-kompany-3244771
Probably Rooney will get the 3 game ban, but it's embarrassing that so many on here have been saying with cast iron certainty that a red card always means 3 games. Professional fouls normally one game ban. We just saw that this week with Tyler Blackett!
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Rooney will be a loss, his form is shakey but he is still fitter and sharper than both rvp and Falcao currently. Plus we all know 3 games out means he will be rough once he is back in the starting 11. Rooney out is generally never a positive. Plus our captain is out, does LvG pick a new captain or does he stand by Fletcher?
There is a bigger picture to look at here.
There is a bigger picture to look at here.
That's a non-issue. being vice-captain doesn't mean you have to be captain if the regular one is out. Never in a million years would any manager bring a player in purely to be captain.
It's not a question of being happy that Rooney is out (two games added for violent conduct, which it was), but we should be happy that Mata will take Rooney's place -- or at least that we have a player of Mata's quality to step in for Rooney.
Roo will benefit from taking a month off, but the real question is whether Mata will play well enough to cause us to question whether we want to disrupt our mojo by starting Rooney for the November 2 match v City. We'll find out soon.
Roo will benefit from taking a month off, but the real question is whether Mata will play well enough to cause us to question whether we want to disrupt our mojo by starting Rooney for the November 2 match v City. We'll find out soon.
We'll definitely miss him but happy Mata gets the chance to shine. Feel he got an unfair amount of criticism after his good game against QPR. So I opted for the second choice but there should be one with "miss him, but happy Mata gets his chance".
LvG has stated before if Rooney isn't available, Fletcher would play. http://www.theguardian.com/football...oney-manchester-united-captain-louis-van-gaal
It is something that has to be considered also.
That's why it's an important point whether Rooney just made a professional foul, or just lashed out like an "animal" as has been claimed on here.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-skipper-vincent-kompany-3244771
Probably Rooney will get the 3 game ban, but it's embarrassing that so many on here have been saying with cast iron certainty that a red card always means 3 games. Professional fouls normally one game ban. We just saw that this week with Tyler Blackett!
Oh dear, this is awkward...
You might want to check the rules before being so condescending?
Specifically rule 8a of the FA Handbook - it's nothing to do with being looked at by a disciplinary commission. if you are sent off for violent conduct, it's three matches:
(e) PLAYERS SENT OFF UNDER LAW 12 (1), (2) AND (3)
A Player who is dismissed from the Field of Play for Violent Conduct, Serious Foul Play
or spitting at an opponent or any other person, whether he has previously been
cautioned in the match or not, will be suspended automatically from all Club football,
except for any match sanctioned or regarded by The Football Association as a
Friendly Match, including non-First Team matches commencing forthwith and until
such time as his Club’s First Team has completed its next three matches in approved
Competitions.
A Player who is dismissed from the Field of Play for Violent Conduct, Serious Foul Play
or spitting at an opponent or any other person, whether he has previously been
cautioned in the match or not, will be suspended automatically from all Club football,
except for any match sanctioned or regarded by The Football Association as a
Friendly Match, including non-First Team matches commencing forthwith and until
such time as his Club’s First Team has completed its next three matches in approved
Competitions.
As I'm sure the people who were mocking, who actually know the rules, will happily clear up for you, Blackett was sent of for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity... which is one match.
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Do the Rooney haters hate Rooney enough to want Fletcher in instead of him? That will be interesting.
Anyway, if Herrera is out then I would expect Fletcher to come in anyway.
Yeah, my money's on him talking shit in that article.
This Rooney bashing is getting ridiculous now. Yes, it was a stupid red. Yes, there was something going on behind the scenes (especially 2010). But, was he so wrong about the way United goes? I'm talking about the lack of ambition and the transfers he questioned. Of course it's not up to him to decide this but we saw this over the last 2 years that he wasn't so wrong. All those people who want Ronaldo back should think twice what Ronaldo has done/doing at Real. He felt/feel unloved, got a huge new contract, everythings fine, won 'la decima', everythings fine, they sell DiMaria, Alonso and he isn't happy again. What would you call that? Isn't he holding the club to ransom, too? I'm pretty sure these guys who flew over Bernabeu with that 'Ronaldo come home' banner, are one of these Rooney haters. We have to get over it I think. We have to accept this. Wayne is a United player. Constructive critics are okay but these hatred mood against him is ridiculous. And now he's the third best all-time Premiere League goal scorer.
You're just proving my point!
A straight red card is an automatic one game ban. It's only set to 3 games if judged as violent conduct etc.
Hence Tyler Blackett one game for professional foul. Vincent Kompany one game for professional foul.
Nowhere in the rules is it " straight red 3 game ban, two yellows 2 game ban".
You're going to a lot if trouble looking up the rules. Yet you still have not proved that a straight red is an automatic 3 game ban. You've done the opposite! So thanks!
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It depends on the referees report, not a committee though. There are classes of red cards as we all know, down to the ref and his game report.
I am not glad with him getting the red card but it will be interesting to see how we attack without him.I think RVP will take his position alongside falcao or maybe Mata will step in.For the first time in many years our attack is going to be awesome without wayne rooney starting in the line up.
Perhaps that's so. But that's not the key point. Claiming that a "straight red 3 games, 2 yellows 2 games" is obviously wrong. If Rooney just committed a professional foul, as Van Gaal called it, then it would be a one game ban.
It'll be down to the ref/committe to judge whether the nature of the foul made it more than just a professional foul, trying to stop a break away.
It's going to be 3 games probably. But I don't get where this idea came from that all red cards are 3 games.
You're not really starting to get a grip on this are you?
It's not as complicated as you think, the rules are simple and everybody knows them. A red card for violent conduct is a three match ban, no "if it's judged as". A red card for denying a goalscoring opportunity, or two yellows, is a one match ban.
No, no, no. There is no such sending off offence as a professional foul, I'm afraid.
It's not "down to the referee to judge" what he was sent off for. The ref doesn't send you off and then decide why. He was sent off for a reason, and that reason will have been either violent conduct or serious foul play, and both are... yes, you guessed it... a three match ban!
Unless you think Rooney may have been sent off for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity, it is definitely, 100%, a three match ban.
He has been our best striker so far, so yes we will.
Wow, you have failed to prove that a straight red card is always 3 games. In fact you proved it was otherwise.
I've thanked you for that, so I don't know why you're pulling away at this !
My point proved, discussion over.
Ah good, so at least we're agreed that you are entirely wrong about refs / panels judging whether the non existent one-match ban offence of "professional" foul should be upgraded to three matches.
If there's anybody here that genuinely believes that all red cards are three matches, then obviously they're thick as shit. But they are a tiny minority and you place yourself not far above them by coming up with ill-informed nonsense like you've been posting.
Was this just fishing to wind up Charley, btw?
I mean... the 2 yellow part kind of gives it away... you don't really think that do you?
Pfft, I don't know who pissed in your chips, but you obviously wanted to rush to the defence of people claiming that a straight red equals 3 games, and then just ended up proving my point.
Maybe you just wanted a row with me, which makes me chuckle mightily.
That's some crafty stuff if he left that lying around just for little old me!
Anyway, the claim about red card always being 3 games is all over the forum, so it was most certainly not just this one instance that set me off like a loon.
It's entirely the latter, I can assure you. Wasn't defending anybody, I had hardly even read the previous posts. But if there's one thing I struggle to ignore on here it's when somebody starts banging out the condescending "you lot are embarrassing" stuff, while getting the point entirely wrong themselves.
If you're going to put people down, make sure you're right is all.
It's entirely the latter, I can assure you. Wasn't defending anybody, I had hardly even read the previous posts. But if there's one thing I struggle to ignore on here it's when somebody starts banging out the condescending "you lot are embarrassing" stuff, while getting the point entirely wrong themselves.
If you're going to put people down, make sure you're right is all.
I've just seen this redcard always = 3 games stuff so often on here that I felt genuinely embarrassed for the forum. But I obviously embarrass the forum the odd time myself...
Anyway, nice debating with you. Have a good week.
Happy with that. Idiots.I'm not exactly "happy" with him being out, but I am excited at the prospect of Mata getting a run in the team. I'd rather see Mata as the number 10 and hopefully he can cement a place there, if he doesn't take this chance he only has himself to blame. Personally I'd rather see Rooney up top with Falcao and Mata behind them.
To get back on thread, it's not something I'm happy about, but it's not the worst thing that could have happened. If you're going to lose a player it may as well be in about the most hotly contested position in the team.
Mata getting a run is more than a silver lining.
Mata getting a run is more than a silver lining.
same here