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Come on Pogue, I said 22 not 18. And I didn't say taking the world by storm either. I said he shouldn't be that raw. Your reply ludicrous, not my logic.
Sometimes, like tonight, he manages to look like the wrong kind of nimble and the wrong kind of big at the same time. He doesn't know how to control the ball to set himself up for the next move. It just sort of hits him.
Yeah, it's a confidence issue as well. Almost let he expects the touch to go wrong.His first touch is often really bad. There are so many situations where a good first touch will set him up for either a pass or a shot on goal, but it goes nowhere because of a poor first touch.
Exactly this. Seen quite a lot of people suggesting that Bruno's balls are too early or fast, but seemed perfect for a good striker to get on the end of for me.I feel like a top class striker gets on the end from some of those Bruno balls in the 1st half.
Frustrating performance from him.
Ok, I got your point. But we also had Wayne Rooney, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen who were all top strikers at 21.Surely you get my point? Footballers mature at different rates. Bellingham, Palmer and Yamal are all very unusual in being so polished so young.
Have a think about what the likes of Harry Kane or Gyokeres were looking like when they were 21 years old?
But we spent 70 million on this guy. Gyokeres got sold for like 2 millionSurely you get my point? Footballers mature at different rates. Bellingham, Palmer and Yamal are all very unusual in being so polished so young.
Have a think about what the likes of Harry Kane or Gyokeres were looking like when they were 21 years old?
Are there many 21 year old strikers in the top leagues that are less raw than Hojlund? There are countless examples of where all the great strikers of the last 30 years both domestically and across Europe were at 21 yo and very few were pulling up any treesHe'll be 22 in a couple of months. He is the same age as Cole Palmer and Jude Bellingham, he shouldn't be that raw..
I don’t get why he doesn’t even attempt these, Zirkzee did the same in the 2nd half when Maz was on the touch line. Zirkzee stopped and waited for a cutback while there was 2 others also waiting for a cutback. If he just even ran in to make space he may have freed up a cutback for BrunoI feel like a top class striker gets on the end from some of those Bruno balls in the 1st half.
Frustrating performance from him.
Like I already said Wayne Rooney, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen were all top level strikers in the Premier League at 21, and so was Kane despite the myth that he wasn't.Are there many 21 year old strikers in the top leagues that are less raw than Hojlund? There are countless examples of where all the great strikers of the last 30 years both domestically and across Europe were at 21 yo and very few were pulling up any trees
Like I already said Wayne Rooney, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen were all top level strikers in the Premier League at 21, and so was Kane despite the myth that he wasn't.
You've set a high bar there alright, though absolutely the exceptions rather than the normLike I already said Wayne Rooney, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen were all top level strikers in the Premier League at 21, and so was Kane despite the myth that he wasn't.
Haaland was also good at 21 wasnt he?
Accept the loss and sell in the summer for 20m.
He is a young raw talent. He has clear weak points but he is also extremely clinical. Ideally he was back up to a ready made striker instead of having to learn while leading the line.
As much as I like Rasmus but watching him every game I feel like he's always a step behind when a cut back happens or cross comes in.
Where did this myth of him being extremely clinical come from? It's ridiculous and it's used over and over to disguise the fact he all too often is nowhere to be seen when a good cross or pass comes into the danger area
Ok, I got your point. But we also had Wayne Rooney, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen who were all top strikers at 21.
Kane being crap when he was young is also a myth
"Kane at 21 was PFA Young Player of the Year scoring 30 goals in all competitions."
"Harry Kane, the 21-year-old phenom who's destroying the Premier League, is the most hyped player in England
Tony Manfred
March 31, 2015"
And that's the problem really isn't it? People want him to be a top class striker now, but he isn't. But seemingly nobody has the patience to see if he can develop into one with his attributes either.I feel like a top class striker gets on the end from some of those Bruno balls in the 1st half.
Frustrating performance from him.
And that's the problem really isn't it? People want him to be a top class striker now, but he isn't. But seemingly nobody has the patience to see if he can develop into one with his attributes either.
At the same time, he’s the first choice CF at Manchester United and either way taking up one of the CF places in the squad so we can’t see him as just another 21 year old striker. If he’s been given an important role at a huge club like he has to meet a certain level. Otherwise we make sure he’s second choice or worse till he’s at that standard.Are there many 21 year old strikers in the top leagues that are less raw than Hojlund? There are countless examples of where all the great strikers of the last 30 years both domestically and across Europe were at 21 yo and very few were pulling up any trees
Not only that, but he cannot secure the ball. His touch is bad and he has too little physicality to shield and retain the ball from his marker. He wins almost no headers either. I don't think raw is what he is, rather not as good as 70 odd million suggested and we all hoped he was. He's not someone who's going to fire us to success. He's a backup to someone better in my opinion. Whether that's Gyokeres or Osimhen or someone else, I don' know. I like David at Lille personally.Right, I've been a defender of him for a while now but he was poor this game. Mainly because I thought he could've moved better to get to the end of those crosses Bruno played.
One thing i have to say is - I dont think we should buy a striker in his prime and wait for Hojlund to develop.
I'd rather we buy a generational talent striker soon as they are spotted and let them contest with Hojlund.
We can't afford to be missing out on a generational striker hoping that Hojlund suddenly turns in to a beast in his prime.
I'd say get Jhon Duran if his hype is real. His Fbref report is insane.
If we can only buy a striker in his prime because a young generational striker isnt available then i would buy Osimhen over Gyokeres.
Forever backing in, getting tangled up and ends up on the floor. Time for him to fix up now.
No elite team persists with a mediocre young forward as their #9 in the hope they become good one day. And that hope basically comes down to something as flaky as "he's young"And that's the problem really isn't it? People want him to be a top class striker now, but he isn't. But seemingly nobody has the patience to see if he can develop into one with his attributes either.
Sure let's repeat it all over again. Getting a kid to lead the line worked so well first time.
Didnt Rooney and Ronaldo do it?
Because they were generational talents.
As much as you rate Hojlund maybe as a good young striker like i do - he is not a generational talent not even at Atalanta nor at United.
We have to buy the next best young striker soon as we see it because waiting for Hojlund to develop is a gamble; whether thats seen as a small gamble or a big gamble is different especially if we have to wait until he is 26 to reach his prime.
Rashford for me broke through with more excitement and potential playing in the PL - and now we have hit his prime; we can see that potential doesnt always progress upwards and things like our ability to catch some value of a player can lower the more patient we are with a players development.
People are already calling it out on Garnacho, how he isnt a generational talent and doesnt fit Amorim's system but id give both players another season alongside a pre-season under Amorim to decide their trajectory.
Duran is in the 90th> percentage for goals, shots,touches in the box, tackles, clearences - whilst when looking more accurately many are actually in the 99th percentile & even 85th percentile for ariels won.
I dont know if he is a generational talent but Duran easily beats Hojlund in every stat on the Fbref report except maybe one (passing). I dont tend to lean my hope on data & stastatistics, thats why i dont know if a player like Duran is actually generational at the age of 20/21 - but more precisely as soon as the next Rooney is spotted then unfortunately Hojlund will have to go.
Yes his movement is poorWhere did this myth of him being extremely clinical come from? It's ridiculous and it's used over and over to disguise the fact he all too often is nowhere to be seen when a good cross or pass comes into the danger area
