Tom Van Persie
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It's real. I had to go to his account to double check.Is that actually real?
absolutely savage from him if so
It's real. I had to go to his account to double check.Is that actually real?
absolutely savage from him if so
Thought he was fine. Was actually just completely isolated today. There were a few moments where I wanted us to put in a cross but then I realized that Hojlund was literally the only United player in the box while we had 5 players dallying around the edge. Hard as a striker when noone else is moving off the ball.
Hold up play was so so when he did get the ball. Should have won a pen and played a wonderful pass to Bruno. Utterly rubbish in the air though which is crazy for his size.
Felt it was penalty.
Like day and night. He has improved a lot, credit to him. He's become a real nuisance to defendersWas more involved than Haaland
Hojlund was actually in the perfect position as the ball was coming in, but misjudged the flight of the ball and took a couple of steps forward so he was in line with Dalot instead of behind him. Then the ball went over both of their heads to the exact spot Hojlund had vacated. I'd put it mostly on him, although the deflection obviously does make it more difficult to judge the flight of the ball.To be fair on the corner Dalot had the position and if Rasmus jumps he risks a collision. Of course he should have known Dalot would miss the ball anyway because Dalot…
He isn’t the best defending set pieces though so in general yes he needs to work on that part of his game.
You can see it with both Dalot and Højlund actually, they both take an intuitive step forward when the ball is hit, are then perplexed for a millisecond, and then jump but are chanceless because the ball comes down behind them with a sharp dip.Hojlund was actually in the perfect position as the ball was coming in, but misjudged the flight of the ball and took a couple of steps forward so he was in line with Dalot instead of behind him. Then the ball went over both of their heads to the exact spot Hojlund had vacated. I'd put it mostly on him, although the deflection obviously does make it more difficult to judge the flight of the ball.
Been saying that heading is his weak spot since he came. But wrong mindset? Where do you get that from?He also has the wrong mindset for aerial duels.
Hojlund was actually in the perfect position as the ball was coming in, but misjudged the flight of the ball and took a couple of steps forward so he was in line with Dalot instead of behind him. Then the ball went over both of their heads to the exact spot Hojlund had vacated. I'd put it mostly on him, although the deflection obviously does make it more difficult to judge the flight of the ball.
You can see it with both Dalot and Højlund actually, they both take an intuitive step forward when the ball is hit, are then perplexed for a millisecond, and then jump but are chanceless because the ball comes down behind them with a sharp dip.
It’s simply the natural response to how the cross seems to come in based on De Bruyne’s body movement, and then how long the brain takes to percieve the new ball trajectory after the deflection. It’s not something to blame either player for tbh, it’s just a fluke.
Disagree on this point pal. I actually think Dalot is decent in the air compared to other fullbacks. The stats prove this too. He's in the top 20% for percentage of headers won. Before Mazraoui joined, I would have told you Dalot was our best fullback in the air. The Setpiece issue is quite misleading. We've conceded 8 in total, but more importantly, 4 since the Arsenal game. It's one of the few areas we've gotten worse at, post -ETH. To me, it's more a structural problem than it is our defenders losing headers.It wasn’t a fluke or anything to do with the deflection. Or else why did Gvardiol have no problem getting to the ball? When the ball travel’s that far after a deflection there’s plenty of time to adjust. It’s a recurring theme with Dalot. Did the exact same thing for Forest’s first goal. And basically every corner into his zone. He is constantly mistiming his jumps and getting under the ball.
We all know Hojlund isn’t as strong in the air as he should be for his height but it’s less of an issue for him as a striker than it is for Dalot. It’s not ideal though. And is a factor in us being so poor at defending set-pieces.
Disagree on this point pal. I actually think Dalot is decent in the air compared to other fullbacks. The stats prove this too. He's in the top 20% for percentage of headers won. Before Mazraoui joined, I would have told you Dalot was our best fullback in the air. The Setpiece issue is quite misleading. We've conceded 8 in total, but more importantly, 4 since the Arsenal game. It's one of the few areas we've gotten worse at, post -ETH. To me, it's more a structural problem than it is our defenders losing headers.
Hojlund on the other hand is in the bottom 30 percent for forwards, has always been bad at headers even before since before he joined us.
Its one of the reasons Onana's kicks are aimed towards going off the pitch, deep in opposition half. Because if you aim for Hojlund, only one thing is happening, it's coming right back. The lack of a focal point is a much bigger problem.
About as obvious a penalty as you'll see. That call should be investigated.
Absolutely outrageous. Tackles Hojlund around hip height, gets nowhere near the ball and prevents a goal scoring opportunity.Mike Dean on Sky commentary piped up with.
"I don't think that's enough, not in a game like this mate"
Mike Dean on Sky commentary piped up with.
"I don't think that's enough, not in a game like this mate"
Mike Dean on Sky commentary piped up with.
"I don't think that's enough, not in a game like this mate"
They seem to have erased any mention of this, that line of Deans itself needs investigating… what the feck does it even mean?
You sound awfully certain, and based on dubious generalization. For me as a formar football player, I know how basic it is to take the first step or not based on how the ballstrike appears, and how visually, the mind may use as much as a half second to reinterpret a ball trajectory based on looking at the ball. Perception studies confirms how and why this is often so. So for you to dismiss out of hand that it didn’t play a part sounds illogical and strangely cocksure.It wasn’t a fluke or anything to do with the deflection. Or else why did Gvardiol have no problem getting to the ball? When the ball travel’s that far after a deflection there’s plenty of time to adjust. It’s a recurring theme with Dalot. Did the exact same thing for Forest’s first goal. And basically every corner into his zone. He is constantly mistiming his jumps and getting under the ball.
We all know Hojlund isn’t as strong in the air as he should be for his height but it’s less of an issue for him as a striker than it is for Dalot. It’s not ideal though. And is a factor in us being so poor at defending set-pieces.
You sound awfully certain, and based on dubious generalization. For me as a formar football player, I know how basic it is to take the first step or not based on how the ballstrike appears, and how visually, the mind may use as much as a half second to reinterpret a ball trajectory based on looking at the ball. Perception studies confirms how and why this is often so. So for you to dismiss out of hand that it didn’t play a part sounds illogical and strangely cocksure.
That one player may act more reactive in a situation than another is not so strange, particularily when the aim is to get ahead of the other for what will normally be a straight ball path. Diaz is behind Dalot, and remains thus even though he also takes a step forward, only a few tenths of a second after. The ball’s trajectory ends up being a perfect dip cross for where he is positioned to begin with. The only way for Dalot and Højlund to compete with him for that ball, is if they anticipate early the ball trajectory to move backwards/sideways immediately. To me, it’s plain sense that the deflection is what sets them off that possibility, and then it’s already too late.
Dalot isn’t as bad at timing defensive headers that you claim, statistically he is quite good, and even this game, it was his anyicipation and timing that made him clear just ahead of the opponents City’s two most dangerous crosses of the game barring the goal. Højlund is another matter.
That refs have a high ceiling for making dubious calls in tight games, I can understand. That english refs have one eye on entertainment value to allow more fighting in certain games to acrue more drama, is dubious in itself IMO.Mike Dean on Sky commentary piped up with.
"I don't think that's enough, not in a game like this mate"
The great Mike Dean said it was a “genuine attempt at the ball” aren’t 99% of penalties genuine attempts. Also he said the bar is higher in these games which sounds very strange to me. It’s a penalty or it isn’t and that was a penalty.About as obvious a penalty as you'll see. That call should be investigated.
Basically he means there's a higher threshold for what is and isn't a foul in bigger games. Which we all know is how the games are refereed anyway.