This. Absolutely detested the way he was spoken on here at the time.
Ralf Rangnick | Austria manager
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This. Absolutely detested the way he was spoken on here at the time.
A lot of us knew at the time he spoke the truth, what a prophet he turned out to be. Plus a damn good manager to add to his prophecy skills.
And still is.
I doubt it lasted 30 minutes, maybe it was 25 minutes. But in memory those first minutes of his managerial stay here against Palace were the most inspiring I can remember post SAF. It looked like we'd become one of those teams that's actually really fun to watch
he deserves an apologize from caf members
He is doing a phenomenal work with Austria, so far. Very impressive
How long has he been Austria manager now? They're so well coached and organised. It's a pleasure to watch them play. I'm enjoying the performances of teams like them and Switzerland more than anyone else so far.
He’s done an incredible job. They’ve been the team of the tournament so far.
Yeah, it's one thing that CAF members were trashing him, but Ronaldo went further than most
I think people were too hung up with their scapegoat guy that they found one in Rangnick. They would not look beyond the reason that he was recruited to be our consultance in guiding us through new squad building. It was the job for him and by experience he was good witht that.
Then the board need an interim manager and just went ahead with him as why not because they always do things half-as.es. hes spot on with that new sqaud is needed but with our owner we know that they just no clues how to build the team but then still wont believe the professional to do it. You are not familiar in this field yet you dont believe the professional and let them do their work? Dont understand their logic as why hire him in the first place.
Then the board need an interim manager and just went ahead with him as why not because they always do things half-as.es. hes spot on with that new sqaud is needed but with our owner we know that they just no clues how to build the team but then still wont believe the professional to do it. You are not familiar in this field yet you dont believe the professional and let them do their work? Dont understand their logic as why hire him in the first place.
Hindsight is an amazing tool. Rangnick was a joke for United. If he makes it back again, he'll be a joke again. International football for a team where the star player is Marcel effing Sabitzer sums up the difference.
Some of the Ole stans were determined to undermine and shit on him every chance they got. The guy clearly knows ball and knew some of our players and management were complete frauds. He was given no power and the vultures knew it and took advantage. Glad he's doing well but he should be our director of football right now. But maybe he would have sold rashford or Bruno and the emotional nutters couldn't stand that. They'd rather be shit their way then have success a different way.
Are you making a point for him or against him? Because "International football for a team where the star player is Marcel effing Sabitzer" would suggest that he is very good given the style of football he has this Austria team playing.
I agree. Austria are the international equivalent of an over-achieving mid-table PL team. Success with Austria won’t necessarily translate to success at United, no matter how much time he’s given (especially as his gegenpressing, while effective at tournament football, wouldn’t be feasible over a 50 game season).
Seems to me that a lot of people in this thread are just taking the opportunity to grind axes from years ago and show that they’re so much smarter than other Caf members.
Ole stans and the more rabid Ronaldo stans who took the word of their cult leader when he denounced Rangnick as a nobody. He definitely was the fastest in identifying the issues that plagued our playing staff. Don't think Murtough or Woody had the appetite to implement all the changes he suggested. ETH is a fool too for refusing to even talk to him regarding his assessment.
Agreed.
It shows we were the problem not him.
You do realise you pretty much outline how impressive his performance with Austria is right? Even though that was clearly not your intention.
I don't deny we were the problem. I also don't accept he wasn't a problem, particularly the way he handled himself in press conferences. His level is a team where the "star" player is someone like a worn down Raul. We're kidding ourselves if we think he'd have done miracles at United.
Exactly this.
One thing though is that majority of the Austrian players have come through the Red Bull system, which is built in Rangnick's vision, and therefore those players were already built for Ralf's style of play. There wasn't a lot of adapting to do for them, unlike at United. For those who didn't come through Red Bull's system, a lot play in the BL, where also the philosophy of gegenpressing has been adopted.
It's a perfect marriage of the two.
He’s done a fantastic job with Austria, shame the way he was derided by some on here. I guess he didn’t help himself by saying a lot of hard truths that no one wanted to hear, especially the players. It’s been two years and some of the stuff he said is still valid.
Depends on how you look at it. Actually their manager - since he left United, two years ago.
But arguably you can point back to 2012 when he took over as RB Salzburg's DoF. He essentially set and created this playing style for the whole Red Bull football organisation and on that foundation (and through that RB system) most of the current Austrian internationals came through during the last decade, and the RB style transpired to other clubs in Austria as well. In that sense he is reaping the rewards of his own groundwork he laid a decade ago.
Which again proves how good he is at doing that, building structures from the ground up.
I was really surprised when that happened, I thought for a while that RR would be a shoe in as your DoF.
I don't think if he was supposed to become our Dof. IIRC, at the time the talk was that he was brought in to assess the playing squad for the rest of that season and will act as a consultant from the next season on. He was supposed to prepare a dossier based on his assessment to help out Murtough and the next manager. But then we hired ETH, who even refused to talk to him and Murtough gave ETH a carte blanche to go ahead with recruiting players he wanted.
Wild, that you'd bring Bebe back but not Rangnick.
You underestimated MU’s boards level of incompetency. We had one of the biggest names in the DOF world. And we chased him away because he was not a good coach.
The people who are against Rangnick are mostly those who still have the old mindset that a team only needs an all-knowing manager to do everything, just like Fergie. The concept of structure and DOF is alien to them, hence they can’t stop judging Rangnick on how he does as a traditional football manager when he himself made a name on being a DOF.
Who was the Bayern fan that absolutely despised him?
This is what does it for me. It's exactly the same shit as it was before him and during his time. No change whatsoever. Some of the dross that was stinking up the place back then is still here, compounded by shit recruitment and shit coaching. And I see little to convince me anything is changing. Wonder what he would have done if he was given the same authority and resources as Ten Hag? Doubt he would have signed Antony and Mount for one.
So in the same time Ten Hag has had here, he's gone and worked with their (inferior) players and has coached them (not even that often, every few months) to play like this? Whilst we're still left wondering exactly what we're trying to do
There was Real fan who obsessively shit on him at every turn too.
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How did Austria perform before Ralf?
Hansi Fick I think
Hansi Flick, no longer on the forum. It felt personal.
Still wondering what you meant by this.
They started building up to this level even before him, but he has elevated them further. Although they still have to make a step up from last Euros, in which they made Italy suffer for quite long spells in their last 16 game.
They do look like they are capable of going even further this time, but they are an outlier in general, as they are almost a club-like side in international football. Most of the teams don't have the time to build up playing mechanisms for their way of play and they often end up compromising, which Austria doesn't have to do, making them unique in that sense.
This is not to take anything away from Rangnick. He is the architect of this team anyway, and of resurgence of Austrian football in general, due to his earlier roles. If anything, this proves just how capable he is to influence every aspect of football in one whole nation.
Austria is a clear example that his methods do work, that systems and structures in general do work when excecuted properly.
Ole fans no doubt.
My opinion of Ragnick hasn chaged from this tournament.
Lets be honest,he was a poor manager here....whether he is to blame for that is another thing.He LOST the dressing room very quikly, which maybesays more about the players....a lot of which are still here.
I always liked him in interviews though. He spoke with intelligence and mos imprtantly he DIDNTbelieve in most of the players here, so lost there respect.
I dont think he was the answer as a manager here long term, more a coach,whih suits international football. But one thing gave me doubtabout Ten Hag when he first took over....he never even spoke to Ragnick which ifind crazy.That should havebeen the least he did and I think he should have been offered a role.
The open heart surgery talk was obviously so true at the time, it still hasnt beendone yet and he was reoomending a lot of the right players.....Ten Hag has been signing the wrong onesmainly.
Happy for Ragnick and his success, again he has proved to be right by turning downBayern to play tis tournament
Lets be honest,he was a poor manager here....whether he is to blame for that is another thing.He LOST the dressing room very quikly, which maybesays more about the players....a lot of which are still here.
I always liked him in interviews though. He spoke with intelligence and mos imprtantly he DIDNTbelieve in most of the players here, so lost there respect.
I dont think he was the answer as a manager here long term, more a coach,whih suits international football. But one thing gave me doubtabout Ten Hag when he first took over....he never even spoke to Ragnick which ifind crazy.That should havebeen the least he did and I think he should have been offered a role.
The open heart surgery talk was obviously so true at the time, it still hasnt beendone yet and he was reoomending a lot of the right players.....Ten Hag has been signing the wrong onesmainly.
Happy for Ragnick and his success, again he has proved to be right by turning downBayern to play tis tournament
I defended him a lot at the time but in retrospect perhaps shitting on the players as an interim wasn't the best idea for his own prospects. He never had authority and the things needed saying but perhaps internally and not to the media. He cost himself an internal role for that in my opinion.
As always our fans are quick to label someone a bad coach rather than just saying it didn't work out.
How could have he replaced the dross he wasn't content with by being more 'political'?
If anything, it would make the chances even more slim.
If anything, it would make the chances even more slim.
He has done a fantastic job in a short period of time, and anybody doubting that is clueless.
Shame Austria aren't playing Portugal next, I think they could beat them. Would be a hilarious twist of fate for Ronaldo.
Shame Austria aren't playing Portugal next, I think they could beat them. Would be a hilarious twist of fate for Ronaldo.