Coach who was offered the Bayern job a few weeks ago experiences renaissance. After winning two games.
Ralf Rangnick | Austria manager
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Coach who was offered the Bayern job a few weeks ago experiences renaissance. After winning two games.
3-5 a year is a start! If we'd done that years ago we'd be done by now!
He has the belief to bench Old Ronaldo for some guy from Austria who actually makes your team better.
ETH's buys have been mediocre.
The tunnel vision of the English press is a thing to behold. Nothing exists outside of England, apart from maybe Bayern, Real, Barca. But that's it.
I think Ineos is right in retaining ETH. It's not the manager problem. It's the players problem at our club!
Getting brutally exposed tonight.
Do you have a spreadsheet of threads to bump?
Hes really not. Austria have created more chances and have taken the game to Turkey since the opening minute goal. They got sucker punched with a second but are back in the game.
Wasn’t he the second coming of Fergie a few days ago on here?
I'd also like to know if was already getting "brutally exposed" before the second goal and, if so, why he waited until the second goal to bump the thread.
Have to love this thread. Wins some games as an international manager in an underdog position, should never have been sacked and should have been given the keys to Old Trafford.
Struggling against Turkey and will become shite again if they go out.
Ralf Rangnick did absolutely nothing decent here in his time. Why don't we just call a spade a spade, that was the objective reality we live in. He had zero credibility to continue after that car crash, don't care if he's manager, technical director or tea lady. Right to be sacked but also right to think he'll do a job at many places, just not fecking Manchester United and those that kept pining for him were strange individuals.
Struggling against Turkey and will become shite again if they go out.
Ralf Rangnick did absolutely nothing decent here in his time. Why don't we just call a spade a spade, that was the objective reality we live in. He had zero credibility to continue after that car crash, don't care if he's manager, technical director or tea lady. Right to be sacked but also right to think he'll do a job at many places, just not fecking Manchester United and those that kept pining for him were strange individuals.
Wouldn’t catch Southgate losing against the likes of Turkey
Yeah that's what everyone was saying.
Is he bald or just a fraud?
He's not a coach
Always knew he was a fraud
More of a mini bus.
Ralf is still the man.
Average coach
Sometimes an average coach has one or two good jobs in their career, such as Ralf in Schalke and Leipzig.
Sometimes an average coach has one or two good jobs in their career, such as Ralf in Schalke and Leipzig.
Absolute loser Ralf, the hype train is over. The hipster choice that done nothing at United, except tell us the team was not good enough. England and there hilarious road to final continues, beat Switzerland to get to a final 
Hommie did a number on lot of you
No, he was a renowned DOF who probably had too much truth for the incompetent hierarchy and underachieving playing staff. And a better manager than people gave him credit for. Now we're hiring the one he suggested for head of recruitment.
Wish we'd have signed 3-4 players he recommended, we'd be 1-2 years further along now.
Shame Austria are out, along with Georgia, may favourite team of the tournament.
Lot of overreactions (in both directions) in here IMO
Was a fraud manager for United. Rose like a Phoenix for Austria. Became a fraud for Austria.
Am i doing this right?
Am i doing this right?
Speaks good football.
Still an absolute hero.
Did an incredible job to take Austria from losing in the Round of 16 at Euro 2020 to Italy all the way to losing in the round of 16 at Euro 2024 to Turkey.
Rock-n-Roll football
They’ll never ever ever be anyone that comes close to Fergie and that includes pep.
Did a great job in getting Australia into a European tournament
Against all geographical odds.
Exactly.
Nobody will be happier about Rangnick's Austria being eliminated than Michael Cox, not even the Turks!
I still rate Rangnick's vision of football. You gotta be able to defend set pieces though. For all their organisation in the other phases of play, Austria lost because they couldn't do something Big Sam and Tony Pullis can teach. That's why they're out.
I am glad he's rebuilt his reputation a bit after having to deal with our debacle of a dressing room and leadership team. But this may well be as far as organisation and hardwork will take the Austrians.
I still rate Rangnick's vision of football. You gotta be able to defend set pieces though. For all their organisation in the other phases of play, Austria lost because they couldn't do something Big Sam and Tony Pullis can teach. That's why they're out.
I am glad he's rebuilt his reputation a bit after having to deal with our debacle of a dressing room and leadership team. But this may well be as far as organisation and hardwork will take the Austrians.
The problem he had against Turkey was that he was facing a opponent that didn't want to keep the ball in the build up phase and Rangnick's methods of playing with high intensity and high pressing wasn't as effective against this type of opponent.
He's always been a coach but he took his coaching approach into being a Sporting director and he implemented the same methods into his Sporting director role, which are methods which place far too much importance to what you do out of possession as a team, rather than what you do in-possession. That's not going to cut it against the very best and I'm sure the likes of Laimer and Haidara would've been decent signings for Man Utd but they aren't players who will move the needle as far as challenging the competition in the EPL who have developed teams both in and out of possession.
Rangnick in his own words was someone who took on the ideas of his mentor Helmut Groß, and Groß was someone that was inspired by Arrigo Sacchi. But unlike Sacchi who implemented the Dutch concepts from the 1970s where in-possession play was prioritised, whilst being backed up by a pressing game out of possession. Helmut Groß and his student Rangnick prioritised the out of possession concepts, which is where he's limited as both a coach and a Sporting director because the teams who prioritise both are the most successful teams right now.
When you have teams who overly emphasise on applying pressure out of possession to force high turnovers, then they will come a cropper against those teams who are coached positionally to evade and resist the press.
He's always been a coach but he took his coaching approach into being a Sporting director and he implemented the same methods into his Sporting director role, which are methods which place far too much importance to what you do out of possession as a team, rather than what you do in-possession. That's not going to cut it against the very best and I'm sure the likes of Laimer and Haidara would've been decent signings for Man Utd but they aren't players who will move the needle as far as challenging the competition in the EPL who have developed teams both in and out of possession.
Rangnick in his own words was someone who took on the ideas of his mentor Helmut Groß, and Groß was someone that was inspired by Arrigo Sacchi. But unlike Sacchi who implemented the Dutch concepts from the 1970s where in-possession play was prioritised, whilst being backed up by a pressing game out of possession. Helmut Groß and his student Rangnick prioritised the out of possession concepts, which is where he's limited as both a coach and a Sporting director because the teams who prioritise both are the most successful teams right now.
When you have teams who overly emphasise on applying pressure out of possession to force high turnovers, then they will come a cropper against those teams who are coached positionally to evade and resist the press.
Honestly, I don't think that's a fair account of what happened tonight. Especially in the early stages.
Austria did actually play some decent football and worked the ball patiently. The driving runs from the centre backs opened Turkey several times, as did the ball from the right wing into the inside right channel.
It's simply that Austria is, fundamentally, a limited footballing nation. A team with a higher technical floor probably would have done better. They were crossing but the quality of delivery was iffy at best. Austria's performances have been more than the sum of their parts. However, they lack the player for player quality to do much more than they have.
Rangnick's tactics are completely suited to the player that is limited in ability because he prioritises high intensity and high work rate with the aim of going vertical at every opportunity with the ball. And Turkey are a decent team and apart from having a few star players who made the difference they aren't anything special imo. But I must say, their fullback Kadioglu, has looked like one of the surprises of the tournament so far, such high technical quality on the ball with fantastic carrying ability. I'd never heard of him before but he was born in Holland, so we may sign him..
But I must say, their fullback Kadioglu, has looked like one of the surprises of the tournament so far, such high technical quality on the ball with fantastic carrying ability. I'd never heard of him before but he was born in Holland, so we may sign him..
Not only was he born here, he also played Eredivisie football..