Protests following the killing of George Floyd

Rado_N said:



Not sure who this guy is or how reliable he is, it only showed up on my timeline because Kumail Nanjiani RT’d it, but if that’s true what the absolute feck America

Edit: Bernie follows him so gonna go with him being legit
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"Being asked about anti-fascist sentiments"?!

As in... if they are anti-fascist, that is a bad thing?

Jesus.
 
Rado_N said:



Not sure who this guy is or how reliable he is, it only showed up on my timeline because Kumail Nanjiani RT’d it, but if that’s true what the absolute feck America

Edit: Bernie follows him so gonna go with him being legit
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@Carolina Red is sweating a bit at the moment. He better delete his socialist posts. :lol:
 
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
 
Kag said:
My logic is sound. You just don’t like it because it’s also rather crass. I won’t apologise for that. Dying from COVID is a reasonable way to die. It’s a highly contagious respiratory illness, born out of the environment. Cancer, heart failure, organ failure, sepsis, motor neurone and AIDS; the list is probably endless. All truly horrible, not necessarily born out of the environment, but also part and parcel of every day life. COVID is just another obstacle humanity has to overcome.

Racism is not any of those things. It is behavioural and (you would truly hope) eminently preventable. It won’t die away in two years. It isn’t some sort of number pornography that you can watch dwindle away as you sit, locked away, in your house watching television episodes on Netflix. It isn’t curbed by lockdowns or social bloody distancing.

A person’s race isn’t a reasonable reason to die. That shouldn’t need saying, really, but it reinforces just why it’s significantly bigger than a virus. Unfathomably so.

You question my logic when you ask me why people would congregate and protest when they could die. I would ask you to consider why they would still make the choice to mobilise when they are confronted by what is a very real and serious risk to their health. We have this growing body of evidence surrounding COVID and still people are choosing to come together to fight an even bigger evil. That should tell you something. I feel it’s important to highlight that I’m referring to these demonstrations on the whole, not specifically the UK, albeit I still support their right to do so.

Your systemic racism response is murky and I wonder if you’d care to elaborate on this further?
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Referring to your first point both America and the UK have seen such protests. America has had a lot of communities very anti-lockdown anyway. The UK have been very soft on lockdown and pretty much since the Cummings incident a lot of the country have given up on lockdown all together. My personal feelings are many people are protesting, especially in London, because they are off work and there is nothing else to do. It’s got a lot of media attention because for the last 3 months all the news has been about is COVID and now they can talk about something else. That is not to say the protest is not a worthy cause but to suggest people are there to fight a cause bigger than COVID, I just don’t think that’s true. The particular incident happened in America so why are people suddenly campaigning in the UK? The media plays such a huge part in blowing an event into something much bigger than it actually is. Wasn’t the original point to ensure Chauvin and his colleagues got first degree murder charges? I know that hasn’t happened yet but I would very surprised if he doesn’t get that verdict. Then what exactly?

As for my second point. I can only speak of the UK but I really don’t think ethnic minorities are hindered because of their skin colour, more to do with their financial situation when growing up. I appreciate the counter argument will be ethnic minorities are poor due to their skin colour. But the reality for most ethnic minority people is they or their prior generations came from poorer countries. Their families would have had to start from the bottom and it’s not easy to get up that financial ladder. I would suggest that’s a systematic error of not helping the poorest in our society. This is not to say racism doesn’t exist in the UK, unfortunately that will be difficult to eradicate completely. But systematic racism? Not for me.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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From what I'm seeing in London the Met are rightly trying a very gentle approach with this however it does look like some people are not coming to protest but with the intent on inciting public disorder. I hope it settles down and BLM UK work to ease the situation.
 
Leroy The Red said:
And another one :rolleyes:
The usual tactic, faux outrage over things not related to the actual topic and then a paragraph where the true self reveals itself. Same pattern all the time.



I’ve got a desk wanker job at the moment so I’m good. It’s not too bad though from speaking to people. Isolated incidents. I doubt it’ll kick off here like in the states.
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I’ve had similar nonsense from you before so I can’t be arsed to go much further.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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You follow this guy.

NFT.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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You are posting an inaccurate tweet from a bigot's account and you are surprised you are being called out on it.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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Oh no, the post I posted not quite an hour ago hasn't had the response yet that I was hoping for, typical caf laughemoji eyerollemoji eyerollemoji.
 
P-Ro said:
Or perhaps I saw it in a comment section from a top tweet in the trending section.
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you should do your due diligence before sharing accounts like these.
 
thanks feck the England cops don’t have guns. Protesters need to chill a bit being confrontational. Not fair ganging up on 20 or 30 of them when there’s thousands of you. They are not exactly pepper spraying the shite out of anyone there.
 
Rado_N said:



You follow this guy.

NFT.
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Nope. Wrong.
2mufc0 said:
You are posting an inaccurate tweet from a bigot's account and you are surprised you are being called out on it.
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Is the video inaccurate? That's what I was referencing. It's clear to anyone who watches it it's the surrounding buildings being defaced.
nimic said:
Oh no, the post I posted not quite an hour ago hasn't had the response yet that I was hoping for, typical caf laughemoji eyerollemoji eyerollemoji.
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I knew I was going to get this response as soon as I posted it. I know what you're all like.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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You posted a racist, antagonistic twitter account and now you are crying because people called it out.
 
P-Ro said:
Nope. Wrong.

Is the video inaccurate? That's what I was referencing. It's clear to anyone who watches it it's the surrounding buildings being defaced.

I knew I was going to get this response as soon as I posted it. I know what you're all like.
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The tweet specifically said the monument was being defaced, the video only showed some graffiti being sprayed on one of the buildings.
 
nimic said:
That was to denote disbelief that you even had to ask the question. If you're suggesting that black people are disproportionately jailed for other reasons than systemic racism and inequality, I'd like to hear them.
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I'm open to both opinions. Just need a more concrete evidence, instead of just extrapolating a few instances to generalize conclusion.
 
So I take it from the lack of reaction here that Obama’s speech was a bit lame?
 
antihenry said:
What's he supposed to do though? I'm being serious here, what do you think someone like Corden should do to prove he's sincere about what he says? Personally I believe most celebs are just jumping on the bandwagon and couldn't give two shits about George Floyd, the protests and police brutality towards African-American population, but let's pretend Corden genuinely does. What would be the right course of action for someone like him? Donate his fortune to NAACP, move to a studio in a crappy neighborhood and go to work at McDonalds?
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Agreed. I think its cynical as feck not to think hes being sincere there.
 
2cents said:
So I take it from the lack of reaction here that Obama’s speech was a bit lame?
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I watched it. Got the impression that it wasnt meant to be the headline event, that he was just supporting various other speakers. His speech was reasonable, although for such an accomplished statesman I thought it was a little bit lacklustre.
 
dumbo said:
You posted a racist, antagonistic twitter account and now you are crying because people called it out.
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What's the difference between me posting that and someone posting a tweet from Trump or Boris or anyone from the right then? Please don't accuse anyone else of crying either, I've seen your meltdowns.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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I'm sorry that the issue of raising awareness about racism has come at an inconvient time for you. Do you think the people out protesting are unaware of the fact there's a pandemic going on? And yet they still go there and essentially risk their lives to raise the point.

The rioters, I don't agree with, but understand it. However any comment saying people shouldn't be protesting I really can't get my head around.
 
P-Ro said:
:lol: Typical caf. I share a video showing thousands of twats packed into the area surrounding the Cenotaph (with some cnuts standing on the memorial and others defacing surrounding buildings) shouting about revolution and Mark Duggan and the only responses are about the bots and nobodies who have replied to the video. I mean, it's not like we're in the middle of a pandemic which has claimed the lives of over 40,000 and will no doubt claim the lives of many more due to this protest, perhaps soon to be riot.
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Or maybe we should stop worshipping statues?
 
P-Nut said:
I'm sorry that the issue of raising awareness about racism has come at an inconvient time for you. Do you think the people out protesting are unaware of the fact there's a pandemic going on? And yet they still go there and essentially risk their lives to raise the point.

The rioters, I don't agree with, but understand it. However any comment saying people shouldn't be protesting I really can't get my head around.
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I'm pretty sure I saw a statement from some American doctors yesterday encouraging protests even during the pandemic, because some issues are just that big.
 
Walrus said:
I watched it. Got the impression that it wasnt meant to be the headline event, that he was just supporting various other speakers. His speech was reasonable, although for such an accomplished statesman I thought it was a little bit lacklustre.
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He's not on a ballot anymore so maybe he's less interested?
tbf, I didn't watch it either.
 
JPRouve said:
From memory it's a bit of both. Blacks are poorer by design, have a tougher access to education by design and poorer/uneducated communities are more likely to be involved in crimes violent and petty, now it has also been demonstrated that blacks are not treated equally by the judicial and policing systems and will generally be handed harsher punishments. Policing and profiling are also designed to target them even when it makes no statistical sense.

Here you have an article that illustrates it.

Edit: Regarding education and what happens to poorer communities, I invite people to search for "Baltimore schools heating".
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Thanks, man. I'm just curious that if other non-white race is in-charge of power, they wouldn't do the same (or even worse). What do you think?
 
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