"Violence isn't the answer! Where is my anti-big government AR-15?"
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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"Violence isn't the answer! Where is my anti-big government AR-15?"
I’m not trolling I swear - I’m not actively avoiding questions. I admit I don’t have the answers to overcome 400 years of surfing and injustice.
I wish I hadn’t made the moral high ground comment as I feel this has failed to articulate what I wanted to say. I tried to say that there is just cause for people to wanting action but if people resort to violence in seeking it, there is a risk that their cause gets overshadowed by the violence they too commit
Not sure I what you’re insinuating there.
The George Floyd murder was disgraceful and I hope that his murderers get an appropriate sentence for such callous action.
I hope that the whole of America gets behind the protests that sees an eradication of racism. I just don’t condone where protests lead to violence and innocent people losing their lives or livelihoods as a consequence.
At least I explain mine rather than hiding behind twitter posts. I see you ignored my other point about lumping in people who were legitimately killed by UK police with racism and police brutality.
MLK wasn't the only once championing civil rights.
There is this myth (propagated but opressors of African Americans) that the civil rights protests were peaceful. They were extremely violent. I don't know enough about Indian history.
However. I know enough about history and read enough that most movements that have brought about real cha he habe been violent. The American revolution, The Solidarity movement, the civil rights movement, the Zionist movement anti apartheid movement. I can go on and on.
I am not propagating violence, looting killing etc mind you. I am just saying most movements that have led to real change have had some violence attached otherwise, the ruling class generally don't seem to care.
Do the people criticising protestors and rioters also stand at the bottom of burning skyscrapers and criticising jumpers for breaking windows on their way out?
"Wanton destruction of property isn't solving anything. They should just stay where they are and wait to be rescued by firefighters... while their feet are on fire."
These people are being killed. Their loved ones are being killed. Help isn't coming to those who wait patiently - it's going to have to be taken by those who take a stand for it. Most of us around the world that live lives of peace and comfort, do so on the back of such stands made by our ancestors against tyranny and oppression.
"Wanton destruction of property isn't solving anything. They should just stay where they are and wait to be rescued by firefighters... while their feet are on fire."
These people are being killed. Their loved ones are being killed. Help isn't coming to those who wait patiently - it's going to have to be taken by those who take a stand for it. Most of us around the world that live lives of peace and comfort, do so on the back of such stands made by our ancestors against tyranny and oppression.
The US as an institution has no problems killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in their imperialistic wars, yet they're also going to be convinced to end institutional racism through peaceful protest. Think about that.
Why do you keep bunching all protesters into one, massive, homogeneous blob?
If you wanted to cause maximum levels of carnage and win over 'neutrals' or the indifferent, what would you do, or send in, to a mass of people making a stand against an established status quo?
On a basic level of underhanded tactical infiltration, how do you tilt the hand in your favour?
On top of that, the random variable of your basic anarchist or opportunist always factors into protests where tensions can overspill on a whim.
So why are you determined to see things in one way and one way only?
Why is it ridiculous?
The violence and looting is the only reason why US lawmakers and law enforcement would have listened. There is literally very recent historical precedence that proves this. Hopefully it's now all receding and will fizzle out.
Also 98%+ of people were peaceful protesters. Why are you blaming them for the actions for a tiny few?
Let's see what happens next.
Thank you.
Nail on the head.
Non of these solve the underlying racism or inequality.
When you make such statements, I literally have nothing else to say except it's clear you have become deeply disconnected with the society you are supposed to protect.
Nor should they, but this isn’t an attitude specific to these protests. It’s directed at any and all attempts to address racial inequality. They deny its existence, it’s impact. The US and police brutality is rightfully the main focus atm and the protestors have done a brilliant job in really drawing a focus to the injustice of it. All countries should be aware of the inherent systemic racism in society though, and until people actually accept that fact, it will be hard to change anything.
Right?
Yes because me simply reiterating what a public inquiry and jury decided must mean I'm disconnected from society. You're having a nightmare and literally posting things from Twitter you have no real knowledge of.
That is spot on, I think that the part that is missed is that the other side has something to lose and they are the ones with the upperhand, they hold all powers and are the majority. They are not going give that up cheaply.
I’m not bunching all into one - I only have issues with the minority that have resorted to senseless violence. I saw a video on twitter earlier of a black guy crying in the streets shouting at people that had ransacked/destroyed his business premises. I just can’t see how that can be condoned and hate to see the legitimate protest descend into being associated with action of that sort, which I feel can only be detrimental to their cause.
Feel like I’ve fecked off half the posters in this thread, which was never my intention. I’ve genuinely not tried to troll anyone or rile emotions.
Apologies if I’ve struggled to articulate my thoughts, but having had a few posters tell me I’ve got an agenda, or worse, i‘ll leave the conversation.
Obama had eight years at the top of the world. Eight fecking years. And what's he remembered for? Killing innocent Afghani children like a coward from his drones. Not to mention thousands of other deaths. Did white police officers feck up black people in America during his tenure? Too fecking right. Did Obama say anything then or after leaving the presidency, if his hands were tied at the time? Has he ever said anything to date? Obviously nothing substantial enough.
At least Trump shows his cards. Obama has hidden his cowardice and is still hiding. Just another white president of the USA with strange skin tone who got nothing done except kill foreigner children. Oh but he tried really hard with his bills and orated well and left some sound bites. In the meantime the development of American military style police force continued to grow stronger in their conviction. No oration on that from him or his missus.
I posted about it before, three women. This woman is different to the one in the spoiler. There's another tweet of a journalist being permanently blinded because of one.
Also saw a young man's tweet about his situation and he had to have eye surgery also. Whie looking it up there were some other videos of people shot in the head and bleeding. Luckily they only had head wounds and not permanent eye damage.
You’re probably right - I literally have no idea how you overcome 400 years of racism if I’m honest. It’s just a shame its something we see in 2020, hopefully those generations below ours will do better.
Answer me this then. Why is it after numerous times people have addressed your points, given reasons how and why violence has unfortunately broken out, even provided video evidence of elements of the riots which do not originate from the purpose of the protest itself - do you keep coming back to the same old mantra that violence doesn't solve anything and even insinuate that it somehow takes away from what this is all about: 4 hundred years of oppression?
You're on repeat, don't engage with anyone trying to discuss and develop the conversation, and just come back to the same old shit constantly bringing the value of it all back to zero. Do not bullshit, you cannot be that fecking stupid. You've surely got an agenda.
If you are that stupid, then I apologise and advice you to not constantly butt in in extremely emotive topics which you have no knowledge about.
Really didn't expect the recent Watchmen series to be so close to our reality now...
American cops might as well be card-carrying KKK.
American cops might as well be card-carrying KKK.
He ignored my post as well. When I pointed out the initial tweeter was a person who clearly hasn’t got a clue about black men suffering from police brutality in the U.K. and was purely just trying to score some points over twitter.
But anyway this is Sammy’s posting style, I’ve got used to it. He does similar in the corona thread too with the government. Attaches himself to a narrative (ironically usually a commendable one) but then kinda ruins his position by spamming
the thread with endless tweets reinforcing that narrative even if more than half of the tweets are rubbish.
Atze was a Dortmund fan wasn’t he? Wonder if he threw his remote and shouted out the n word in rage
Having a nightmare according to whom? you? As you'll have gathered I dont respect your opinion on this subject.
Every tweet I've posted is literally bona fide evidence proving that your opinions can easily be disproven. We have tens of thousands of people across the UK who went onto British streets today, campaigning for Floyd George because they resonated similar injustice from their own UK life experience.
And rather than open up, listen and admit they might be saying something useful, instead you double down on your own limited view of the world and cry wolf.
But, yeah, I know nothing and you know it all.
He's already made a statement. Theres been attempts to deescalate but its being drowned out by Trump and the endless videos of cops being cops.
I like him and his heart is in the right place but he gets too emotional and let's himself down. Guess we can all be guilty of that though. Just think it's quite insulting. You have to be careful when you post from Twitter to try and make a point as quite often what's on there is agenda driven nonsense.
Facebook found him immediately. Not that it will matter, obviously.
Having a nightmare according to whom? you? As you'll have gathered I dont respect your opinion on this subject.
Every tweet I've posted it literally bona fide evidence proving that your opinions can easily be disproven. We have tens of thousands of people across the UK who went onto British streets today, campaigning for Floyd George because they resonated similar injustice from their own UK life experience.
And rather than open up, listen and admit they might be saying something useful, instead you double down on your own limited view of the world and cry wolf.
But, yeah, I know nothing and you know it all.
Again you've posted all that but still not addressed the question as to why you are trying to make a point about UK racism and police brutality by posting the names of black criminals who were killed whilst in possession of firearms whilst committing an offence. What's the relevance to George Floyd who was simply getting his shopping? Not committing an armed robbery with armour piercing bullets.
Watching all this senseless police sadism from seemingly all over America I'm actually surprised that officers aren't targeted. It's worse than an occupying army.
Not now, celebrities.
1) Obama is known for Obamacare, not carrying out standard US foreign policy
2) Obama has commented on racial injustices many times before
3) You obviously don't understand the way our system of government works. Obama can't unilaterally do anything for black people. He can only direct Congress to take such measures.
4) For all Obama's faults, it was clear he was supportive of the black community in America. Look up his history.
5) "At least Trump shows his cards" is a pointless statement attempting to grasp at the most imaginary of straws.
5) The bolded is just plain ignorant
It's clear you have no clue what you are talking about. Please shut up and let the informed adults talk.
Fair enough, I shouldn't have taken it so literally. I do agree with your general points.
It's not always easy, but I try to challenge people when they use such lazy arguments as you've listed. They often tend to back away from their initial comment when asked to put themselves in the position of those who have been persecuted. Maybe it's a by-product of social media, where it's expected that you have an opinion on everything, even when really you don't give a shit.
If I sit in your garden with a placard that outlines my position, every day, I can’t force you to read it.
If you step over me to get to your car every day, then a year down the line you find me sat next to your burning down house with a box of matches in my hand.... you can’t claim peaceful protest was the better move.
Burn it all down. The American system is fundamentally broken and corporate America needs to burn to make a difference. That’s how far gone it is.
What a ridiculous statement.
Just for those who don't know - Breonna Taylor was a black woman who was shot & killed in her boyfriends apartment by police officers who broke in without announcing themselves. When her boyfriend fired a warning shot, they proceeded to douse the apartment in bullets, many of which hit her.
Prior to George Floyd's death, there were quite a few peaceful protests calling for those police officers involved in killing her to be arrested & charged.
To date, none have been arrested or even put on Admin Leave (last time I checked, that could've changed). She was killed in March, it's been almost 3 months.
Non-violence solves nothing.