What makes you think you can speak for them?
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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What makes you think you can speak for them?
This is what you said...
There is no "misconception" with the authorities. It would imply they just have wrong, a bit faulty perception about something which is putting down what is actually happening.
This is racism or clear belief about being superior based just and nothing but the color of your skin. A patent behavior which so disturbingly wrong and also, to make it worse, being done by the very same people who were put there to protect and prevent that same behavior.
Hard to talk about different "level of physicality" which has been applied when the often outcome is a death of another person just because of their colour.
So that "complaint" becomes rage.
They tried everything else. When the whole system is broken for so long, the people will eventually fight back in an equal measure. Most freedoms we value so much were achieved in the same way. Unfortunately.
Nah, let's not drop to their pathetic levels of going to extremes mate. Let them sit on their fences and pretend to care.
As a white man, if I ever try to quote Ghandi or MLK at you, feel free to hunt me down and give me a nice lecture and a hug!
And you've equated all the protesters and the people in this thread to those extremes, let alone feel the need to speak for them. Well done you.
you think they just decided to loot stores this week, or that they see the protest as an excuse to riot/loot?
He's a private citizen. It's not up to him to do anything and he shouldn't have to.
Mandela chose "by any means necessary" and that worked out well .
them knowing is what brings out the obfuscating language, if it were acceptable a lot of people who post this critique would say Floyd got what he deserved
That's an everyday occurrence in London. I do sympathize with public servants as they are required to put their neck on the line, but London police officers are easily the worst in the UK. Many of them come across as uneducated often abusing their authority with improper conduct. It's also demographically motivated, if you are residing around a poverty ridden or council estate area, irrespective of ethnic proportion they'll target you and use the locality as an excuse for their actions.
The Black Panthers and the Indian militias/insurrectionists might also had something to do with that. So did Mandela with Apartheid.
Governments have a vested interest in framing societal changes in the most positive lends possible, both for altruistic and selfish reasons. It’s safe to say however that the official narrative often omitted a few things.
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George Floyd was the straw that broke the camel's back. This is not about him any more.
People (black, whites, etc) has had enough of economic neoliberalism as well.
USA is the richest country in the world, yet they fail to deliver it's people the basics, like decent public education and healthcare.
feck, they can't even provide clean water pipelines for its citizens.
A lot will change. Not going back now.
you’re a troll. I clocked it from the first time I quoted you. You’re deliberately avoiding important questions, offering no solutions, and are mischaracterising the events leading up to the riots as well as attributing the looting and violence to the protesters - who have somehow lost moral ground. Forget about 400 years of pain and suffering.
stop it. If you’ve got nothing of value to say just do us a favour and shut the feck up.
youre purpose so far has been nothing but obfuscating and derailing conversation. Bringing back to absolutely nonsense.
A nice list:
There’s a horrible undertone to some of your posts.
Try and imagine a life where you are terrified for your life when you see a police officer. Where every day people with the same colour skin as you are killed just for that reason. Where the entire establishment of the country in which you live is structured to keep you down.
See how long that lasts before something snaps.
Yeah, maybe it’s putting a lot of pressure on him but is there really anybody else that could get through to the people like him, it’s a real pity that no one has addressed the people yet there has been no leadership throughout this whole thing.
It is not a thread about a man being murdered in the US, for crying out loud. It is a thread about the injustice and the systematic oppression the black people face in the entire Wester civilization (in some places like the US more than in Europe). Floyd is just a figurehead, a symbol of this oppression.
Sensible, level-headed post and I happen to agree with every single thing you said there. I guess looking at this mess from afar as you do does give one a better view of the bigger picture.
just tell us what you really think fella there's no need to pretend, we know
Nope, I'm making the point that UK police constantly abuse their powers against people of colour. If you consider such 'stop search' normal, it tells me just how out of touch you and your officers have become.
The guy has since deleted the tweet, but yesterday a middle aged white guy on twitter tried to explain the meaning of MLK Jr’s “a riot is the language of the unheard” comment to MLK III.
He was president and didn't change much, so he better keep quiet.
“Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.”
― Stokely Carmichael
And so what if they did? Why does that prick your ego or feelings so badly?
I’d like to see a venn diagram showing the people shouting about how violence isn’t the answer and the people who cling to the 2nd amendment and the need to be able to fight off their idea of tyranny one day.
The majority of the people I’ve spoken to today have completely dismissed the protests. I’ve heard
‘If they want to be taken seriously they shouldn’t act like criminals’
‘All they care about is destroying shit’
‘how many of them have even experienced police brutality’
‘When you see what’s happening you think no wonder they treated (George Floyd) that way’
A damning indictment is that these are far from being the most offensive thing I’ve heard today. I was probably being glib when I said that they see no moral difference between these protests and football fans protesting a result. But if the case is that they do? It still makes no difference in their disposition.
He was talking about the lack of PPE and covid there mate. Your jumping to conclusions again
I actually think this Heardy guy is probably Atze, back with another account to continue his trolling
Either way at this point it's quite clear that he's a troll.
Im guessing the abused in Minnesota are not too worried about what people in Swansea think of their plight?
The thread is about the protests following the the murder of George Floyd. I also understand the reasons behind the protests and have stated I agree with them. What I don't agree with is trying to lump in a random stop/search encounter from the UK with absolute zero context. He's just posting random things to sensationalise. As I said before he posted an article which named a number of black people which had been killed by the UK police over a number of years. Some of the names (as I pointed out to him) were criminals killed in possession of firearms whilst committing offences. I personally don't see how that's relevant to this discussion or is in any way comparable with the murder of George Floyd who was simply getting his groceries.
It's a violent quote. It's difficult to accept but is there a proof that he is wrong?
Anyone that does not think there is a problem need to come out of that Ivory Tower bubble.
speaking of venn diagrams, american sports hooligans and #alllivematter is going to be another near perfect circle isn't it
I almost ended with “it’s probably just one circle”on the people you speak to
You're not though. You're not making any point you're just posting random stuff from Twitter.
You're welcome to your opinion.
I agree with the quote, especially the latter part. Now I don't know when exactly the quote was said, but I know that MLK was not the total nonviolent mindset that the whitewashed-history-learned-types like to portray in an effort to push their "thoughts" about nonviolence.