We need one to know all of the facts. That's what it's for. Anyway we digress. I'll leave you be.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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We need one to know all of the facts. That's what it's for. Anyway we digress. I'll leave you be.
There's a joke to be made here about Anakin, Obi Wan and the high ground, but my mind just isn't working well enough to put it together.
Jesus, I mean he’s made a complete hash job of that
He could have posted about Stephen Lawrence, Mark Duggan, Julian Cole Etc
Instead he chooses a dude who was drink driving with his kid, and two other pictures of “random things happening”. I grade him a 1/10.
Have you heard of the phrase, 'doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results is insanity'?
It's time to try something new.
The slaves didn't free themselves over a handshake.
Haiti didn't gain independence after a cup of tea.
Civil Rights weren't given after a game of croquet etc
In 400 years America has failed to reconcile it's bloody history on it's own accord - you can't expect Black Americans to remain peaceful forever.
Quite frankly, i'm surprised it's taken this long - the way they've been treated, they should've razed the land to the ground long ago.
I would suggest you read up on the history of treatment that the slaves had to endure, plus government sanctioned initiatives such as COINTELPRO, the 1985 Philadelphia Bombing - plus dozens of other violence against black people such as the Slocum Massacre, Tulsa Race Riots, Lynchings, Chester Race riot and many more.
And with no disrespect, if you aren't aware of a topic, especially something as emotionally charged as racism - surely it's best not to interject without any facts?
Yeah it genuinely astounds me when people try to paint the founding and history of America as anything even vaguely positive. For a country as relatively young as theirs, the amount of atrocities that have been committed is nothing short of mind blowing.
Took me about 10 seconds to find. I dread to think what I could find on public platforms if I spent even just an hour. And who knows how many more horrific stories are on police eyes only data bases. And that's before all the allegations that cant be proved because of lack of physical evidence.
Are you saying people of colour are not abused more by British police? Is that the argument you are making?
And got deliberately kept out of the league since.
First of all, Policemen will think it twice before lynching an innocent citizen (if being filmed). And that's only the beginning.
And yet even with 1/10, he still has a vivid story to tell.Jesus, I mean he’s made a complete hash job of that
He could have posted about Stephen Lawrence, Mark Duggan, Julian Cole Etc
Instead he chooses a dude who was drink driving with his kid, and two other pictures of “random things happening”. I grade him a 1/10.
On this topic, I recommend the Scene on Radio podcast and their latest series on Democracy in America.
Episode 1:
http://www.sceneonradio.org/rich-mans-revolt/
there’s no defending it
There’s no emergency worthy of putting it into gear and driving through civilians at excessive speed.
They both could have reversed.
Ah yes. Because we already know that cops dont lie. Like ever.
Absolutely right. You can have a million march peacefully and nothing will happen. I forgot. A million men did march and nothing has improved at all. It got worse if anything. Riots don't happen on its own. Riots evolve from protests. All these peaceful protest have done feck all in the USA for African Americans and people who are non whites.
The system in the US is rotten to the core. Truthfully in some other countries too like Australia too.
I dunno, people should be able to speak and learn.
But what get's me, what is surely best NOT to do without any knowledge or facts, is acting like you want to sit on the fence talking about some "moral high ground" nonsense whilst actively pushing back against people trying to tell you why that attitude may not be the right way.
Say your piece, ask your questions, debate and learn. That's all cool, it's how we move forward. But don't start lecturing people who have lived through racism about how they should back down and how "this isn't the way!" as that's a huge part of why there's a problem in the first place.
Genuinely cannot believe the amount of people championing violence and rioting.
Ok but then what - they’re rioting against institutional racism.
My fear is the misconception amongst authorities that a young black man is violent/armed and that they need to arrest / apprehend with force. Seems to ring true when you see the level of physicality arresting a black guy compared to a white guy and that seems a common complaint.
for the protestors to then turn to violence, how does that (sadly) not do anything but enforce the stereotype / misconception that a cop will have when faced with interacting with black lads in the future?
Ok but then what - they’re rioting against institutional racism.
My fear is the misconception amongst authorities that a young black man is violent/armed and that they need to arrest / apprehend with force. Seems to ring true when you see the level of physicality arresting a black guy compared to a white guy and that seems a common complaint.
for the protestors to then turn to violence, how does that (sadly) not do anything but enforce the stereotype / misconception that a cop will have when faced with interacting with black lads in the future?
Bingo!
I don’t think he did at all. And judging by the responses to the tweet all he did was give the opposing side more ammunition.
Even people with what looks like good intentions don’t do themselves any favours if they put out rubbish like that.
Because it just kinda looks like he’s doing it for the sake of it (bandwagon jumping) and not for the cause.
If he actually gave a shit he’d know about cases where police brutality on black people was present and if he didn’t at least do some research instead and find out.
Maybe it was because he took his top off ? Hardly booked for showing support to Floyd haha
Yeah thats what I meant by interject, I probably didn't make it clear.
Everyone should be open and willing to learn about a subject, even if they don't agree with it.
Asking questions and being open to learning something new without prejudice is pretty much how every child learns, yet when we're adults and it comes to learning about something in society - so many people refuse to do that, whether it's ego, defensiveness or intentional ignorance - I really don't know, but it's tiresome.
It’s extremely rare for countries to gain independence without war or violence, the only one I can think of is the split of Czechoslovakia, the same goes for civil liberties, not everything in this world is solved by being nice and people need to realise that.
it takes an incredible amount of ignorance to say "but the police will treat black people as a result of the riots"
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/865261916/a-decade-of-watching-black-people-die
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#
We also spent time creating a (very non-comprehensive) list of names of black folks killed by the police since Eric Garner's death in 2014. We wanted to learn more about each person's final moments before the police ended their lives. Here's some of what we learned:
Eric Garner had just broken up a fight, according to witness testimony.
Ezell Ford was walking in his neighborhood.
Michelle Cusseaux was changing the lock on her home's door when police arrived to take her to a mental health facility.
Tanisha Anderson was having a bad mental health episode, and her brother called 911.
Tamir Rice was playing in a park.
Natasha McKenna was having a schizophrenic episode when she was tazed in Fairfax, Va.
Walter Scott was going to an auto-parts store.
Bettie Jones answered the door to let Chicago police officers in to help her upstairs neighbor, who had called 911 to resolve a domestic dispute.
Philando Castile was driving home from dinner with his girlfriend.
Botham Jean was eating ice cream in his living room in Dallas.
Atatiana Jefferson was babysitting her nephew at home in Fort Worth, Texas.
Eric Reason was pulling into a parking spot at a local chicken and fish shop.
Dominique Clayton was sleeping in her bed.
Breonna Taylor was also asleep in her bed.
And George Floyd was at the grocery store.
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That's because you are now being wilfully ignorant to what's actually being championed.
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That’s true isnt it?
The injustice is linked to the level of violence/force applied when arresting a black guy compared to a white guy?
The fact that black youths are treated worse/shot/killed is one of the clear indications of racism that is being protested about.
I can't belive this outmoded "don't lose the moral highground" shite still exists.
On a theoretical level, it is true to some extents.
As venal and hypocritical as the founders were, you have to keep in mind that the US at the time was a grand experiment in government, one that would inspire both the French and Russian Revolutions and other popular movements for self determination and sovereignty on the whole planets. It was of course borne out of naked selfish interests of a rich landowning, slaveowning aristocracy, but when the whole world were still under the yoke of divine rights, popular democracy, limited as it was, was a positive thing. It was extraordinary for George Washington to give up his powers, twice, after the war and after his 2nd term, when there would be very little pushback against him becoming at least a Dictator for life.
Of course, this only became true with the American Civil War. The ascendancy of a railsplitting backwoods lawyer to the highest office in the land, the test of ensuring that any future transfer of power by democratic means won’t be challenged by a minority with force of arms and threats of secession, all of this culminated in by far the most devastating war in their history. And out of that conflict, the grand experiment survived, which fortified the founding myth and gave it a degree of legitimacy.
The rights and welfare of any minority, including the 4 millions African Americans under bondage, were however very much secondary, and culminated in what we see today.
Car crash.
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I’ve just realised I misread that particular section of your post, so apologies for that.
The general gist of the rest of it was still extremely naive at best however.
Reposting a video without additional context that’s already been posted half a dozen times does not contribute to the thread.
how are pockets of violence actually going to achieve anything?
This needs to be a movement that everyone gets behind to force change. You want everyone /black/white/Asian/young/old all shouting at the injustice.
You’re not going to get that when the protesters resort to violence!
How am I?? What do you expect these riots to achieve? How is setting fire to buildings going to overturn hundreds of years of institutional racism?
An entire country rioting for the same reason seems like a united movement to me
Why?
I’ve seen loads of people oppose what I’m saying instead saying peaceful protests haven't work, so riots are the solution / condoning the need for violence.
How do you think these riots are going to achieve anything?
Give it up, there is no use talking about it, everyone is just seeing red at the moment and not thinking clearly.
Have peaceful protests ever worked?
Looking for moral high ground when your.people are being killed left, right and centre is stupid.
As the woman on Fareed said, there is no form of protest that the White man will accept because he simply does not want to be confronted with his racism.
Colin Kaepernick was banished for kneeling at a football game ffs!
Tbh, I am a bit irritated with some here coming to criticise the protest without offering any solutions.
Looking for moral high ground when your.people are being killed left, right and centre is stupid.
As the woman on Fareed said, there is no form of protest that the White man will accept because he simply does not want to be confronted with his racism.
Colin Kaepernick was banished for kneeling at a football game ffs!
Tbh, I am a bit irritated with some here coming to criticise the protest without offering any solutions.
Let’s see. I hope change does come, but I don’t think these riots will force it.