its not just the cops on the street is it, its ingrained in the powers above them. And consider the laughable coroner report about no signs of strangulation and probable drug intake. While the whole world was waiting for that report
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Harsh but fair. Or something.
With all due respect, what a load of bullshit!
I mean...wut?
Yeah, totally got a grip on this current situation and why there are mass protests...
You’re a Brit, so do you remember the Macpherson Report?
Is it a kind of cowardice or denial against uncomfortable truths which leads some, on seeing someone shouting about injustice, to think: 'That person is destroying the peace and calm of my nice neighbourhood. And that's the important thing, not injustice...'?
Yeah, I’m not buying most cops are good. They protect each other when the bad cops cross the line. At that point, how they can still be good cops?
Try having some empathy before you jump onto your soap box. Just personalise this for a moment. Think up the reason you and millions of others would be prepared to risk spreading this pandemic virus.
Thought of it yet?
That’s how especially black Americans and others who sympathise with their cause feel. So utterly helpless that they are willing to risk catching covid19, because their society refuses to do anything about a blatant 21st century human injustice.
It’s no longer the 1900s where such acts of depravity over black people is legal. We are also in the middle of a horrific and historic pandemic. These are the actual reasons why the grievance being expressed so vociferously should be taken even more seriously.
To be fair it's much more coherent and well structured than your own input which has been to promote rioting, not protesting, across the world.
Pick apart what you don't agree with by all means but to just respond with that given what you've been saying is nonsense.
Knee neck cranks are banned in MMA!!! Not sure what else there is to say!
It's denial, and a sort of selfishness as well. The status quo works for a lot of people, and so while some of them have a heart and a conscience and want to make things better for everyone, a lot of people for whom the status quo works, have no desire for things to change, and they just want their peace and calm. That's all that matters to them.
It's hard to pick apart what you don't agree with when the entire post is full of manure from top to bottom.
You're right. They need to be trained to stand up to their colleagues, even if they are authority figures, if they see something that's wrong. It's not acceptable to sit back and watch. But there are so many cops in the US dealing with ridiculous things every day and doing the right thing, we just only hear about these incidences so reality is clouded by perception. It's not an excuse, but there's an element of human nature here as well (see Milgram's experiment). These cops are, after all, human.
As to the riots, I've seen a video of an elderly white guy pushed down by a cop in riot gear in Utah. I've also seen a video (I think in Atlanta) of three police officers being attacked unjustifiably by an angry mob, until a crowd of peaceful protestors formed a protective circle around them. By and large, I think the cops policing these riots are doing an incredible job of showing restraint. I don't think I could keep my cool being screamed at and having firecrackers and piss thrown at me. But again, some jackasses like that guy in Utah undermine all of that.
Each police department and city is different and most are not only full of good people, but many are and have been trying to address issues and rebuild trust in the community. After those five officers were gunned down in Dallas in 2016, it was particularly heartbreaking because of the work the department had done to clean things up. So five officers were gunned down after a peaceful demonstration, in a city hundreds of miles from Baton Rouge where the incident being protested occurred, from a police department that has made terrific strides at re-building trust in the community. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/dallas-police/490583/
"But, at the very least, Dallas police appear to have cleaned up their act. Excessive force complaints against the department dropped by 64 percent over a five-year period. Arrests are decreasing by the thousands each year.
“So far this year, in 2016, we have had four excessive force complaints. We’ve averaged between 150 and 200 my whole 33-year career. So this is transformative,” Brown told a crowd of his fellow officers and policymakers at the White House in April. His department is a member of President Obama’s Police Data Initiative. “And we’ve averaged between 18 and 25 police involved shootings my whole career. We’ve had two so far this year.”"
It's an all around sad cycle.
Is that a freeway on which they are sitting?
It’s even worse than that, they didn’t want to pay more taxes that were levied to pay for debts incurred in the Seven Years War that was fought by the British Crown to protect the colonists’s interest.
Plus, ‘due process’ doesn’t really compute since as per Dred Scott vs. Sandford, barely 60 years after the revolution, a black person wasn’t even considered citizen of the US, so he had no standing in court, and that whole 3/5th compromise written into the Constitution that would take a war which in modern equivalence would claim about 15 million lives to be erased.
Very noble sentiments, but regrettably all horseshit.
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I think there are deep rooted problems within American culture and society which have allowed aspects of the police in that country to become a paramilitary machine. Laws around guns don't help and I must say I've been pretty shocked by a number of videos published in recent days with regards to how the police have been dealing with things and I don't think law enforcement's in the US has painted itself in a good picture in the slightest. That said I'm not as naive as some to carte blanche refuse to accept there's any good good officers in the States as there obviously will be. If there isn't then it means American society is totally screwed given the police are recruited from the very pool of people they serve.
The country needs change but is there appetite for it? Voting in Trump and refusing to give up firearms under Obama suggests not. If multiple racist attacks and high school shootings don't make you want real change I'm not sure what will. This has gone on far too long.
I'm willing to bet my house that every cop has at some point witnessed something out of hand, whether it be some dodgy locker room talk, shady practices, heavy-handed tactics, racial profiling/prejudice, sexist behaviour etc., etc. and not reported or at the very least challenged it. The 'bad apples' thing is just a way of labelling the ones that get caught. 'Good cops' if there is such a thing are very much in the minority.
Riots and protests are not two very very different things. You need to dispense with the bullshit notion of protests starting and ending totally peaceful, resulting in positive change. At least that's not the history of this country, who's origin and ascendance was steeped in violence against Native Americans and black people.
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Unfortunately, I think that you have entirely missed the point of these protests.
I guess when a lie is repeated so much, it eventually becomes true.
Somehow, a country founded on slavery and the extermination of native people, has actually been founded on true justice.
A protest can and should remain peaceful. If a protest becomes a riot you lose the moral high ground and engage in actions that cannot and should not be justified.
I was just reading about a white woman in the NY protests who has been arrested and charged with attempted murder for throwing a Molotov cocktail at a police car with four officers inside. I mean WTF.
You’re welcome to your opinion mate. At the crux of it all, we can agree that cop was a murderer and George Floyd and many other black men deserve justice, but this rioting will not get it. If anything it will result in protestors and cops alike being either murdered or thrown in jail for other acts of senseless violence.
That guy looks like a practicing Muslim, this wasn't in a mosque was it?
Why it is ridiculous?
Why a country that can arm every cop like a soldier, cannot arm every doctor like a doctor?
AntiFa have a branding issue. Most of the disinterested don't even know it's a shorthand for Anti-Facist.
Once everyone knows this, they can make a more informed decision into why they act like they do. eg: Most democracies claim that Facism is a bad thing, and should welcome groups who will fight against its symptoms.
Once everyone knows this, they can make a more informed decision into why they act like they do. eg: Most democracies claim that Facism is a bad thing, and should welcome groups who will fight against its symptoms.
A 7 second video of part of an incident in the UK proves what exactly? You'll have to help me here.
Then I'm sure it's fine. Nothing to see here
That there is a police brutality issue in the UK.
Now go hurry and look for your mate 'devil' and his mate 'advocate' while you try to think of reasons to deny this.
What part of police procedure is thumping a man's head?
The 6th highest cause of death for black men in America is the police.
Black people in America live every day in fear of the people assigned to protect society. They’re being killed in massive numbers. The fact that most of us get to walk or drive around without fearing being shot by the police is in itself a privilege when you look at the life they are made to lead.
These protests and riots are a reaction to that fear and oppression, and the response from the police has in no small part been to further escalate the issue.
Looking at what’s going on right now and focusing on criticising the rioting is to ignore 400 years of black people being treated as less than human.
Black people in America live every day in fear of the people assigned to protect society. They’re being killed in massive numbers. The fact that most of us get to walk or drive around without fearing being shot by the police is in itself a privilege when you look at the life they are made to lead.
These protests and riots are a reaction to that fear and oppression, and the response from the police has in no small part been to further escalate the issue.
Looking at what’s going on right now and focusing on criticising the rioting is to ignore 400 years of black people being treated as less than human.
He was just on fire they were trying to put him out.
Because it implies that a choice has been made by the government to kit out the police but not that heath service. Trump is a whopper but we all know that wasn't the case. No one anticipated a global pandemic or the requirement of a specific kind of PPE. Every country in the world has had issues sourcing it and an inquiry should take place post pandemic to see what mistakes were made during procurement but that's just sensationalism.
Oh wow, the moral high ground. You wouldn't want to lose that, would you? And when in the history of anything has having the moral high ground ever changed anything for the better?
So he brought a sword ready to kill to protect his favourite bar ?
No one out of those people going there gives a shit about losing their morale high ground. It isn’t twitter mate.
The US has a systematic repressive system that has been going on far too long. Peaceful protests result in feck all. Systems are always build in balance, and there is always a breaking point. Often, the breaking point in isolation means feck all and might look like part of the norm (the death of Floyd is identical to the deaths of countless other black civilians killed by brutal cops who didn’t even lose their jobs let alone go to prison). While short term damage is gonna be high, this is the only way for the black people in the US to actually start gaining human rights.
No one likes to see looting and rioting, but this is just the syndrome of a system that is rotten to the core.
This isn’t really the thread for it but this is entirely untrue.