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Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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When they start with the personal attacks you know they don’t have any legs left to stand on.
What role have the militias played in the destruction that has followed the murder of George Floyd? One side is going around burning and looting and destroying while the other side has been .....?
Insulting another member
Just do us a favor, don’t procreate. Ever.
There has to be a genesis for the crap take you offered.
Yes mein fuhrer. Yours is the only opinion that is allowed.
One side is protesting systemic racism that has been going on for 400 years with countless deaths, rapes and maiming's. The other side is a bunch of right wing white people protecting someone else's gas station.
Again, yawn. And, your conflation with the left & the right just further solidified my education post.
Various state control apparatuses have not lost the ability to provide law and order in these jurisdictions, so it is actually detrimental to have militias" (aka Facebook groups) defending public and private property because they are interfering with active law enforcement.
You seem to be under the impression that the 'burning & looting' has been the only thing to take place during the protests - not that I blame you, the media has certainly frame it that way. That's not the case at all, there has been dozens of peaceful protests all over America and in other countries around the world over the last 2.5 months or so that have been peaceful, not shown on the media. Likewise, there has been over 730+ incidents of police brutality - also not shown on the media.
Lets be clear: One side opposes the side which is fighting for the equal treatment of black people, and going to the lengths of shooting and killing that side.
Another side is either part of a group which has been oppressed for over 400 years, or protesting alongside, said oppressed group.
Things that been burnt or stolen or destroyed can be replaced, lives can't.
At the moment you're placing capital and property above the equality of human beings, then wondering why the responses you've gotten aren't nice.
How does looting a Nike store protest anything? Does burning down that gas station and getting the right wing white people to shoot at you accomplish anything?
I’m not against the right to peaceful protest because it brings change but I don’t see how anyone can defend looting and destruction for the sake of it. I don’t see how stealing a bunch of LV bags helps your cause.
Bloody Marxists. All we need to do to make racism go away, is to stop talking about it. FFS, after centuries and centuries of it, who would’ve thought the answer was that bloody simple!
This specific sentense is automatically a red flag showing someone that doesn't have a clue about what's going on, what racism actually is and what happened in the past 400 years (in the US). It's a paragon of ignorance. Usually, they post a video of Morgan Freeman after that statement that is supposed to promote their absurd point of view. This is one of the most stupid and oblivious thing to say. Racism is and was always there, even when nobody talked about it, even when it was deemed normal. It wasn't created because people started to mention it, and it hasn't stopped.
I have the same arguments with right wing people in France, than you ask them why, for exemple, people with a very traditionnal french name have 50% more chances to get called back when they send a resume compared to people with african sounding name (with an identical resume), and they have no answer.
Also, you don't know what a marxist is.
Your post is absurd on so many level it's quite remarkable.
When peaceful protest does not generate the desired outcome, then the looting and burning starts. This is nothing new in a historical context. Humans have always expressed outrage by attacking symbols of power and affluence, mostly because the people that protest are tired of being shat upon from a great height.
Do you feel the same way about the Sons of Liberty throwing tea into Boston Harbour in 1773?
You speak as if civil rights hasn’t improved for minorities over the years. Surely there has been a massive shift from segregation and not being able to sit on the same bus to being able to occupy the highest office in the land? I’m not saying there isn’t discrimination or racism but surely there must be a better way of dealing with it.
I think if the sons of liberty started burning each other’s farms and looting random shops the US might still be an English colony because they would have alienated a lot of their supporters.
The point is they haven't improved enough. People are still victimized by racism and discrimination. It's 2020. Time for this to end. We are all homo sapiens sapiens, though I'd dispute the sapiens part.
The Sons of Liberty attacked, looted and destroyed private property because, in their opinion, they were being oppressed. Scarcely different from what is happening now. The hypocrisy from the Republican party in condeming people who are protesting for their freedom is stunning.
You beat me to it (stupid dog needing a walk). The fact that a Canadian got to pull the gotcha on our revolution makes the blood boil. Maybe this will help:
Agreed on both counts. A current events discussion on the Caf never reaches it's peak until you get a post from Striker10. Definitely one of my favorite posters as well.
I'm not one to quote myself but I freaking owned this up above
I guess this is the shallow society we live in, when someone strolls around without legs several people will take notice.
So let me get this straight then. You support the people who are going around causing destruction and think what they are doing is justified. Is that correct? The rule of law no longer applies to them.
I'm not one to quote myself but I freaking owned this up above
Not to interrupt you patting yourself on the back but I think pointing out that he can’t handle opinions that differ from his own isn’t a personal attack. Look at the posts he’s made he hasn’t even attempted to debate my points only insults. Valid response imo and well restrained. Well done to me freaking killing it here.
Do you support Black Lives Matter?
Straight forward question, no need to divert or 'whatabout' any other topic, yes or no.
It is indeed a shallow society where only one point of view is considered to be acceptable. Luckily you have me to provide the non PC point of view and mix things up a bit.
If I told you that this is what they are fighting for. Some people don't benefit from the rules of law and these people have been ignored when they peacefully protested.
Yes.
Why?
Then what exactly do you think will bring about change?
Bearing in mind peaceful protests have been going on everyday for the last 2 months across America.
Because every right thinking person should stand up against racial discrimination and as a minority myself in my own country I understand the issue of discrimination better than most.
And what would you do if after almost a century of mainly peacefully protesting, nothing changed and you were still denied the benefit of the rules of law?
About the people causing destruction by looting...
Lucky for me, yes, because by your own admission everything you're saying is wrong. Let's do this formally, I hear mature people like facts and logic.
Premise 1: When someone starts with personal attacks, then they don't have any legs left to stand on. Ref #7,820.
Premise 2: Mastadon called calodo2003 Hitler. Ref #7,824.
Premise 3: Calling someone Hitler is a personal attack.
Premise 2+3 gives us that Mastadon uses personal attacks, which combined with premise 1 gives us the conclusion that Mastadon doesn't have any legs left to stand on.
I'm not one to quote myself but I freaking owned this up above
That was too subtle for me. Well played
Premise 1: When someone starts with personal attacks, then they don't have any legs left to stand on. Ref #7,820.
Premise 2: Calodo2003 tells Mastadon never to procreate as a favor to the rest of us. Ref #7,822
Premise 3: Mastadon acknowledges that telling someone not to procreate is the act of a Nazi and agrees accordingly with the correct salutation. Ref#7,824
Calling someone Hitler for telling you not to procreate ever is an appropriate response as the Nazis frequently sterilized others.
Anyway let’s stop with the personal stuff. Like it says below criticize the post not the poster. Bit unfair to be calling me out and not the guy who keeps insulting me and contributes nothing to the discussion.
You might think that your own personal attacks are justified, but they're still personal attacks. If people attacking you had also said that only people in the wrong use personal attacks then I would have laughed at them as well, but you're the only one being that silly.
(And contributing nothing is less annoying than your rehearsed song and dance anyway.)
(And contributing nothing is less annoying than your rehearsed song and dance anyway.)
Can we really say that nothing has changed? From Rosa Parks to Obama is a pretty big leap and things have definitely improved.
My own opinion is that acts of random looting are counter productive to the movement and gives ammunition to those on the other side. Instead of focusing on George Floyd and police brutality you now have a balancing act of criminal destruction caused by looters.
“If you stick a knife nine inches into my back and pull it out three inches, that is not progress. Even if you pull it all the way out, that is not progress.“ - Malcolm X.
Yes black people have gone from being treated as less than human, to just being treated less than equally. It's like stabbing someone with a 7 inch knife, and then removing the knife and expecting them to continue as if nothing has changed.
Anyone who chooses to focus on the looting, and not the murder & disproportionate treatment of black people at the hands of police, the justice system and just about every other institution within society - wasn't an ally in the first place. And is simply using the looting as a reason to apportion blame. It's beyond ignorance, and straight into wilful stupidity.
Black people shouldn't have to be perfect in order to gain support. Protests shouldn't have to be peaceful.
And frankly America is lucky black people haven't burned it to the ground yet.
Ok, so this is bullshit. Forgive me because I am on my phone and deep into pre-gaming for the RNC. Anyone who is moved to not side with BLM because of the looting and vandalism of a few was fecking NEVER going to honestly be on that side in the first place. Either you focus on the goal and how most people strive for it or your an ass hole.