Protests following the killing of George Floyd

NotThatSoph said:
"Prove it"

"Don't facts matter?"

" Yup anyone who has a different opinion from the standard accepted narrative is a disgrace. "

If this is how a mature discussion looks like I'd love to see you get immature.
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I’m not sure what your point is. Could you rephrase that if you’re trying to criticize my posts? I don’t see anything wrong in asking for evidence when I’m trying to understand the circumstances. From the video evidence I don’t see a crazed shooter I see a dumb kid armed with a gun being attacked by people crazy enough to attack a dumb kid armed with a gun. Shootings are a logical ending to this scenario I sure as hell wouldn’t be anywhere near the dumb kid with a gun if I was there.
 
I think it's very obvious what I meant, so I'll pass on that rephrasing. I'm not discussing the shooting with you anyway.
 
Quality control
Amercia is owned and controlled. That's what debt does. But the ones talking about systemic racism are marxists and that's the problem in many parts. You cannot have these ideologies in a healthy nation. So America is in trouble. It goes beyond politics. They pull down statues, not because of any other reason then they are marxists but they are very tricky with language. This floyd stuff, has been ridden hard by these people. It's one thing to think a certain way, it's another not only to do what they've done but for it to be allowed.....during a pandemic. With them science folk saying...they not spreading anything......of course they ain't (while you accuse churches oh and cash is very bad...) . But they used one perceived form of racism and enacted their agenda using another. In English, they're created this narrative that cops are racist. So much so that people might make that assumption. And once it happened, the marxists infiltrated and used what happened for their own selfish ends. And they're evil. But people don't get, you cannot eradicate racism because it's the marxists that use it. It is a political tool. They are behind it. They want you to talk about it because people are too stupid to understand where racism comes from. That's why it's folly to think you can solve racism by thinking it's legitimate. Evil is the root and that's what it is and people should call it evil because it cannot bring any kind of peace. If they wanted to cure racism? They'd stop talking about it. It really is that simple.
 
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Mastadon said:
I asked for evidence that he committed murder not that he killed someone there is a difference.
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He has been charged with first degree murder. Specifically. Which was stated in the post you were replying to. I assume that charge is based on evidence which the Police, and not a poster on a football forum, are privy to. Whilst he has not yet been tried, the charge would suggest that there is sufficient evidence regarding his actions to warrant it.

Why not wait and see that evidence rather than dying on the hill of defending a wee prick who, at the minimum, travelled to another state with an automatic weapon to stick it to the commies?
 
Striker10 said:
Amercia is owned and controlled. That's what debt does. But the ones talking about systemic racism are marxists and that's the problem in many parts. You cannot have these ideologies in a healthy nation. So America is in trouble. It goes beyond politics. They pull down statues, not because of any other reason then they are marxists but they are very tricky with language. This floyd stuff, has been ridden hard by these people. It's one thing to think a certain way, it's another not only to do what they've done but for it to be allowed.....during a pandemic. With them science folk saying...they not spreading anything......of course they ain't (while you accuse churches oh and cash is very bad...) . But they used one perceived form of racism and enacted their agenda using another. In English, they're created this narrative that cops are racist. So much so that people might make that assumption. And once it happened, the marxists infiltrated and used what happened for their own selfish ends. And they're evil. But people don't get, you cannot eradicate racism because it's the marxists that use it. It is a political tool. They are behind it. They want you to talk about it because people are too stupid to understand where racism comes from. That's why it's folly to think you can solve racism by thinking it's legitimate. Evil is the root and that's what it is and people should call it evil because it cannot bring any kind of peace. If they wanted to cure racism? They'd stop talking about it. It really is that simple.
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My favourite part of this post is the fact that it was apparently edited.
 
Mastadon said:
I asked for evidence that he committed murder not that he killed someone there is a difference. What I see is a video where somebody charges him and he shoots them. I bet you he doesn’t get convicted of murder based on the video evidence and your post insulting me just shows that some people can’t handle mature discussions of controversial issues.
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The mature discussion you are having is whether it's okay that a white supremacist murdered someone. So I think the insult was justified.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
He has been charged with first degree murder. Specifically. Which was stated in the post you were replying to. I assume that charge is based on evidence which the Police, and not a poster on a football forum, are privy to. Whilst he has not yet been tried, the charge would suggest that there is sufficient evidence regarding his actions to warrant it.

Why not wait and see that evidence rather than dying on the hill of defending a wee prick who, at the minimum, travelled to another state with an automatic weapon to stick it to the commies?
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That’s exactly what I said in post 7738. This is my post:

“Do you know the circumstances surrounding the first shooting? Without knowing that I cant say the shootings captured on video can be called murder.”

I wasn’t actually defending him I wanted to know if he was acting in self defence or not before calling him a murderer. You’re actually agreeing with me here and the video evidence which was subsequently posted makes it look like self defence.

I don’t know if they are commies or not and I’m not American but I think the problem is the protestors who have been burning and looting and attacking people indiscriminately not the people who are out to defend their property. Not talking about the shooter specifically who is underage and carrying an illegal weapon.
 
Striker10 said:
Amercia is owned and controlled. That's what debt does. But the ones talking about systemic racism are marxists and that's the problem in many parts. You cannot have these ideologies in a healthy nation. So America is in trouble. It goes beyond politics. They pull down statues, not because of any other reason then they are marxists but they are very tricky with language. This floyd stuff, has been ridden hard by these people. It's one thing to think a certain way, it's another not only to do what they've done but for it to be allowed.....during a pandemic. With them science folk saying...they not spreading anything......of course they ain't (while you accuse churches oh and cash is very bad...) . But they used one perceived form of racism and enacted their agenda using another. In English, they're created this narrative that cops are racist. So much so that people might make that assumption. And once it happened, the marxists infiltrated and used what happened for their own selfish ends. And they're evil. But people don't get, you cannot eradicate racism because it's the marxists that use it. It is a political tool. They are behind it. They want you to talk about it because people are too stupid to understand where racism comes from. That's why it's folly to think you can solve racism by thinking it's legitimate. Evil is the root and that's what it is and people should call it evil because it cannot bring any kind of peace. If they wanted to cure racism? They'd stop talking about it. It really is that simple.
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I've read some stupid things on the caf, but this might be the winner.

I am going to call this the Blanket Theory as it is similar to a child's belief that by covering their head with a blanket the monsters will cease to exist.
 
Mastadon said:
That’s exactly what I said in post 7738. This is my post:

“Do you know the circumstances surrounding the first shooting? Without knowing that I cant say the shootings captured on video can be called murder.”

I wasn’t actually defending him I wanted to know if he was acting in self defence or not before calling him a murderer. You’re actually agreeing with me here and the video evidence which was subsequently posted makes it look like self defence.

I don’t know if they are commies or not and I’m not American but I think the problem is the protestors who have been burning and looting and attacking people indiscriminately not the people who are out to defend their property. Not talking about the shooter specifically who is underage and carrying an illegal weapon.
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You should read this:
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/48

Any decent prosecutor will get the conviction. The psyco kid will go to jail for a long time.
 
Mastadon said:
That’s exactly what I said in post 7738. This is my post:

“Do you know the circumstances surrounding the first shooting? Without knowing that I cant say the shootings captured on video can be called murder.”

I wasn’t actually defending him I wanted to know if he was acting in self defence or not before calling him a murderer. You’re actually agreeing with me here and the video evidence which was subsequently posted makes it look like self defence.

I don’t know if they are commies or not and I’m not American but I think the problem is the protestors who have been burning and looting and attacking people indiscriminately not the people who are out to defend their property. Not talking about the shooter specifically who is underage and carrying an illegal weapon.
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...and what do you think may have triggered this social unrest?

Do you not think that gangs of tooled up right wing militia supported by the President and at least some of the actual Police force might not equally be a problem?

The logical extension of your final paragraph is that it is the protester's just deserts for their actions although I'm sure that's not what you believe.
 
Striker10 said:
Amercia is owned and controlled. That's what debt does. But the ones talking about systemic racism are marxists and that's the problem in many parts. You cannot have these ideologies in a healthy nation. So America is in trouble. It goes beyond politics. They pull down statues, not because of any other reason then they are marxists but they are very tricky with language. This floyd stuff, has been ridden hard by these people. It's one thing to think a certain way, it's another not only to do what they've done but for it to be allowed.....during a pandemic. With them science folk saying...they not spreading anything......of course they ain't (while you accuse churches oh and cash is very bad...) . But they used one perceived form of racism and enacted their agenda using another. In English, they're created this narrative that cops are racist. So much so that people might make that assumption. And once it happened, the marxists infiltrated and used what happened for their own selfish ends. And they're evil. But people don't get, you cannot eradicate racism because it's the marxists that use it. It is a political tool. They are behind it. They want you to talk about it because people are too stupid to understand where racism comes from. That's why it's folly to think you can solve racism by thinking it's legitimate. Evil is the root and that's what it is and people should call it evil because it cannot bring any kind of peace. If they wanted to cure racism? They'd stop talking about it. It really is that simple.
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You are literally the worst.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
...and what do you think may have triggered this social unrest?

Do you not think that gangs of tooled up right wing militia supported by the President and at least some of the actual Police force might not equally be a problem?

The logical extension of your final paragraph is that it is the protester's just deserts for their actions although I'm sure that's not what you believe.
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I come from south east Asia I know what it’s like to have a repressive government that arrests and imprisons people without trial and a police force that acts outside the law. I also know that we brought about change by peacefully protesting against the government and changing it through the polls. Burning and looting and destroying public property is an invitation for them to crack down on you and it turns people against you.

I’m pretty sure outside of western countries nobody supports these movements anymore because the amount of destruction the protestors have caused has hardened attitudes against them. Certainly everyone I know in this part of the world looks at the protests as nothing more than an excuse for thugs to loot and destroy. I fully agree that police brutality is the cause of this but the reaction of the out of control mob is hugely detrimental to any effort to bring about meaningful reform and you might see a reaction to this being Trumps re-election which is going to screw us all over.
 
Pulling down statues of racists leaders from the 1800s equals Marxism. This is what I'd expect to hear from an uneducated person residing in rural America. At least the poster stopped short of adding "communist, socialist Muslim".
 
Striker10 said:
Amercia is owned and controlled. That's what debt does. But the ones talking about systemic racism are marxists and that's the problem in many parts. You cannot have these ideologies in a healthy nation. So America is in trouble. It goes beyond politics. They pull down statues, not because of any other reason then they are marxists but they are very tricky with language. This floyd stuff, has been ridden hard by these people. It's one thing to think a certain way, it's another not only to do what they've done but for it to be allowed.....during a pandemic. With them science folk saying...they not spreading anything......of course they ain't (while you accuse churches oh and cash is very bad...) . But they used one perceived form of racism and enacted their agenda using another. In English, they're created this narrative that cops are racist. So much so that people might make that assumption. And once it happened, the marxists infiltrated and used what happened for their own selfish ends. And they're evil. But people don't get, you cannot eradicate racism because it's the marxists that use it. It is a political tool. They are behind it. They want you to talk about it because people are too stupid to understand where racism comes from. That's why it's folly to think you can solve racism by thinking it's legitimate. Evil is the root and that's what it is and people should call it evil because it cannot bring any kind of peace. If they wanted to cure racism? They'd stop talking about it. It really is that simple.
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I was about to post something along the lines of "I didn't know Trump was posting on here" but then I realised this is actually not going off quite as many tangents as he would. So that's not great news either.
 
Striker10 said:
Amercia is owned and controlled. That's what debt does. But the ones talking about systemic racism are marxists and that's the problem in many parts. You cannot have these ideologies in a healthy nation. So America is in trouble. It goes beyond politics. They pull down statues, not because of any other reason then they are marxists but they are very tricky with language. This floyd stuff, has been ridden hard by these people. It's one thing to think a certain way, it's another not only to do what they've done but for it to be allowed.....during a pandemic. With them science folk saying...they not spreading anything......of course they ain't (while you accuse churches oh and cash is very bad...) . But they used one perceived form of racism and enacted their agenda using another. In English, they're created this narrative that cops are racist. So much so that people might make that assumption. And once it happened, the marxists infiltrated and used what happened for their own selfish ends. And they're evil. But people don't get, you cannot eradicate racism because it's the marxists that use it. It is a political tool. They are behind it. They want you to talk about it because people are too stupid to understand where racism comes from. That's why it's folly to think you can solve racism by thinking it's legitimate. Evil is the root and that's what it is and people should call it evil because it cannot bring any kind of peace. If they wanted to cure racism? They'd stop talking about it. It really is that simple.
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Damn. Would have loved to have seen it before the edit. Could only imagine what was changed, how amazing the post was before it was edited, probably just for clarity.
 
Mastadon said:
That’s exactly what I said in post 7738. This is my post:

“Do you know the circumstances surrounding the first shooting? Without knowing that I cant say the shootings captured on video can be called murder.”

I wasn’t actually defending him I wanted to know if he was acting in self defence or not before calling him a murderer. You’re actually agreeing with me here and the video evidence which was subsequently posted makes it look like self defence.

I don’t know if they are commies or not and I’m not American but I think the problem is the protestors who have been burning and looting and attacking people indiscriminately not the people who are out to defend their property. Not talking about the shooter specifically who is underage and carrying an illegal weapon.
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How about you focus on the fact that you’re not an American & cease posting about it?
 
hobbers said:
I didn't cast any aspersions on the victims, I just said the second and third shooting will be seen as self defence by anyone remotely familiar with US law. And having seen the first shooting now his legal team will probably even make a case for self defence there.
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That’s really not how self defense works.
 
WI_Red said:
I've read some stupid things on the caf, but this might be the winner.

I am going to call this the Blanket Theory as it is similar to a child's belief that by covering their head with a blanket the monsters will cease to exist.
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I still believe in that theory but with aliens.
 
calodo2003 said:
How about you focus on the fact that you’re not an American & cease posting about it?
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TBH if all us non-Americans ceased posting about the US the current event section would die instantly.
 
Shamana said:
TBH if all us non-Americans ceased posting about the US the current event section would die instantly.
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Good point. I guess the fact that he’s bringing it up & continuing with the horrible post just irritates me. We currently suck as a country, no doubt, but mensas like this do nothing to add to the discourse.
 
calodo2003 said:
Good point. I guess the fact that he’s bringing it up & continuing with the horrible post just irritates me. We currently suck as a country, no doubt, but mensas like this do nothing to add to the discourse.
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Frankly if I was a very healthy, independent and wealthy person I would love to live in the US. The republican party scares the shit out of me though.
 
Shamana said:
Frankly if I was a very healthy, independent and wealthy person I would love to live in the US. The republican party scares the shit out of me though.
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It just feels like it’s a house of cards on a table waiting for a solid bump.
 
calodo2003 said:
How about you focus on the fact that you’re not an American & cease posting about it?
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Is this actually in any way a valid point? Just shut down any arguments that you dislike? No wonder you have these problems you can’t handle opinions that you disagree with. Burning and looting has replaced debate and discussion.
 
Mastadon said:
Is this actually in any way a valid point? Just shut down any arguments that you dislike? No wonder you have these problems you can’t handle opinions that you disagree with. Burning and looting has replaced debate and discussion.
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Are you trolling or have you genuinely missed the last century, where americans have debated and discussed these social issues and almost exclusively been ignored or in the case of MLK assassinated?
 
Mastadon said:
Is this actually in any way a valid point? Just shut down any arguments that you dislike? No wonder you have these problems you can’t handle opinions that you disagree with. Burning and looting has replaced debate and discussion.
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Yep, you nailed it. All of us American's can't handle differing opinions, so we burn and loot. I think we are going to make it a sport and put it on ESPN2.
 
Mastadon said:
Is this actually in any way a valid point? Just shut down any arguments that you dislike? No wonder you have these problems you can’t handle opinions that you disagree with. Burning and looting has replaced debate and discussion.
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Yawn. Such an erudite tough guy you are.
 
Shamana said:
Frankly if I was a very healthy, independent and wealthy person I would love to live in the US. The republican party scares the shit out of me though.
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I don't know, man. I don't think I could live in a place where there's so little regard for the weakest in society.
 
Burning and looting is the continuation of politics by other means. Absolutely on the table if the ruling class fails to act after peaceful protest.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Burning and looting is the continuation of politics by other means. Absolutely on the table if the ruling class fails to act after peaceful protest.
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In particular when we are talking about issues that are older than most of us. It's a miracle that things haven't gone farther sooner.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Burning and looting is the continuation of politics by other means. Absolutely on the table if the ruling class fails to act after peaceful protest.
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Not to mention the very real examples of white supremacists and right wing nutjobs being the ones doing the burning and vandalism to derail the essential protesting going on.
 
I suppose if burning and looting is ok then we shouldn’t have any problems with militia groups forming to defend public and private property.
 
Mastadon said:
I suppose if burning and looting is ok then we shouldn’t have any problems with militia groups forming to defend public and private property.
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Love the false equivalency.

"There's very fine people on both sides", right?
 
Mastadon said:
I suppose if burning and looting is ok then we shouldn’t have any problems with militia groups forming to defend public and private property.
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That should really be the polices job, but you know "defund/dismantle the police".
 
Shamana said:
That should really be the polices job, but you know "defund/dismantle the police".
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My god this is tiring. I am guessing you either know what "defund the police" is referring to and are willfully ignoring it or are reposting Fox News talking points. Defund the police is not to dismantle it, but to redirect funds to other agencies that can better handle situations the police currently have to deal with (ie, mental health, addiction, domestic disputes) so the police can concentrate on matters of crime and hopefully on not shooting unarmed black and brown people.
 
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