£101m over 5 years and £37m in add ons. £138m sounds good but at £20m a year it's sod all really.
Philippe Coutinho
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£101m over 5 years and £37m in add ons. £138m sounds good but at £20m a year it's sod all really.
Well yeah, but that's what any club would say to low-ball Liverpool.
Do you think Saints would turn down £80m for VVD?
Torres money got us Carroll and Suarez. Not all bad
Yes.
Liverpool would have sold him by now if they could find adequate replacements. They are struggling and will most likely buy some rubbish for exorbitant amount in desperation.
You spent £89m on a United reject last Summer if you follow that reasoning.
Not the point I was making, but okay.
Coutinho's value hasn't increased fifteen-fold in the four years since his departure. Coutinho's good, but not the solution. He can do better than Liverpool, but Barca is a leap.
Just take the money.
And do what with it? Add it to our pile of cash we're already sitting on and lose our best player in the process? No thanks.
Well the vast majority of transfers that aren't done by release clauses are done in installments so it shouldn't come as a surprise. 37m in add ons does sound like a load of crap though.
Reinvest over the course of the coming transfer windows. Or keep an unhappy, disaffected player who'd rather be sunning himself in Barcelona.
He won't be unhappy for too long, he has no time to keep that mindset after the window closes. I have no problem selling him if it means we can buy players who actually sort out our (defensive) problems, but we simply won't be able to do that. I understand that he wants to move to Barcelona, but he should've thought of that in January when he signed his new contract, or Barcelona should've come for him in June when I think we would've let him go for around £60m-£80m, but now is not the right time to sell him, unfortunately for him.
Your best player who desperately wants to get as far from Liverpool as he can.
Surprised at Klopp really. He spent his career doing well off of no-name signings for the most part.
Where the hell are his backup plans?
Where the hell are his backup plans?
Do you have a point or are you just stating the obvious?
Do you really believe that? Sounds suspiciously like the talk club chairmen make every year when season tickets are up for renewal? When have FSG ever seriously invested large amounts of money in improving the squad?
Liverpool net spend under FSG:
- 2017/18 -£35m
- 2016/17 +£5m
- 2015/16 -£32m
- 2014/15 -£45m
- 2013/14 -£23m
- 2012/13 -£55m
- 2011/12 -£40m
- 2010/11 +£4m
- Average net spend: -£27.625m
There are many clubs in the Premier League who are and have been more ambitious in the transfer market than Liverpool under FSG. I said at the time that Klopp was a perfect manager for them as he prefers to buy cheap players with large sell-on potential, which of course was music to FSG's ears. Liverpool have already spent more than their average yearly net spend under FSG and I suspect that if the window shut one hour ago, Henry and co. would be privately satisfied with their summer's work. They'll attempt to turn this Coutinho situation into a huge positive to deflect attention away from the fact that they've had a horrid transfer window, wait and see.
Going on strike?
Klopp has yet to find any 'gems' for Liverpool despite presiding over four transfer windows in charge at Anfield. Dortmund, on the other hand, continue to unearth superb talent at ease, it seems.
What can we deduce from those facts, I wonder?
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I can understand Liverpool not wanting the money.
There's nothing they're going to do with it.
There's nothing they're going to do with it.
feck sake if Coutinho is worth £120M whats Pogba worth now?
Gwan Coutinho.
Yep, specially if you want to reinvest money and then selling club demanding more per year then what you accepted. Also 20mil this year might not have same value next year ,if you look direction of current transfer market.
he will need to have the season of his life to make this justifiable. I don't know which club is more stupid, Barca or Liverpool
I don't know except for the fact you're making things up since this is his fourth transfer window, not his sixth.
If anything keeping him makes them look even more small time as they're not seeing the bigger picture. They won't get as good an offer again, he's simply not that good.
Castles is on the wind-up there surely! It's funny either way.
So Liverpool will not sell even if Barca bid M150 - well they risk keeping a very, very disillusioned player.
Trouble brewing in the dressing room methinks!
Trouble brewing in the dressing room methinks!
I disagree. It's a simple question.
Can we replace him this summer?
The answer is no.
So don't sell.
I'm actually finding it hilarious that Liverpool aren't selling. They really are a completely clueless club when it comes to transfers.
Not only are they completely over rating Coutinho but they are helping to create a situation where they are in a much worse situation if they keep him.
He's refused to play, he's actively burning all bridges with the club in an attempt to join Barca. Now if and when he stays the atmosphere in the dressing room will be toxic, the players and Jurgen will know he doesn't want to be there and his performances will likely suffer. The fans will turn on him, especially Liverpool fans as they are so deluded they can't comprehend a player wanting to leave for a true European giant as they still live under the delusion of being Barca's equal.
Not only that but he'll be eyeing a move to any big European club that comes calling because he know nows if he signs a new contract he's going to be trapped at the club as they refuse to transfer even for transfer fees twice is worth, and then some. He's never going to sign a new contract and he's going to be looking to leave. I imagine he'll be moaning to his Brazilian team mates about how ridiculous the club are being (in his eyes) and those same players will let it be known to their club teams that he wants out.
You can quote me on this when it happens. What is going to happen is next season or the season after he's going to finally get a move and Liverpool will have to accept something around 70mil for him, that's if he doesn't completely tail off and sulk, in which case his value plummets even further and they will be kicking themselves that they could have gotten 138million for him and improved their squad dramatically.
Not only are they completely over rating Coutinho but they are helping to create a situation where they are in a much worse situation if they keep him.
He's refused to play, he's actively burning all bridges with the club in an attempt to join Barca. Now if and when he stays the atmosphere in the dressing room will be toxic, the players and Jurgen will know he doesn't want to be there and his performances will likely suffer. The fans will turn on him, especially Liverpool fans as they are so deluded they can't comprehend a player wanting to leave for a true European giant as they still live under the delusion of being Barca's equal.
Not only that but he'll be eyeing a move to any big European club that comes calling because he know nows if he signs a new contract he's going to be trapped at the club as they refuse to transfer even for transfer fees twice is worth, and then some. He's never going to sign a new contract and he's going to be looking to leave. I imagine he'll be moaning to his Brazilian team mates about how ridiculous the club are being (in his eyes) and those same players will let it be known to their club teams that he wants out.
You can quote me on this when it happens. What is going to happen is next season or the season after he's going to finally get a move and Liverpool will have to accept something around 70mil for him, that's if he doesn't completely tail off and sulk, in which case his value plummets even further and they will be kicking themselves that they could have gotten 138million for him and improved their squad dramatically.
That is given the premise that he'll return to the team and perform to the best of his ability after being denied this move. Otherwise they'll have a disgruntled player who harms team's spirit and perfectly content to down tools to preserve himself for WC, knowing he won't be drop from the NT.
And this summer is an anomaly given the Neymar's transfer. If Pool think he'll fetch the same money next summer when he forces an exit, they are in for a big surprise. The Zidane and Ronaldo transfer showed us that the market tend to stabilise itself after a norm-breaking move. The top fee for transfers remained around the 30m pound mark throughout the 2000s until Ronaldo and it took another 6 or so years until 50m transfers become the norm, fuelled chiefly by the increased broadcasting revenue.
He doesn't need to fetch money because we don't need money.
And he definitely won't be able to perform at a high enough level for the NT if he doesn't play football for an entire season, let's be real here. You need practice and competitive games to be in the right mindset, focus, be physically and mentally ready, ... to perform in those NT games and Coutinho won't have that if he sits out an entire season.
I think it's a risk they're willing to take. And this being a world cup year, they have good reason to. I also think the player will realise he will never get the move if his form collapses.
In any case, if Liverpool doesn't sell this summer, they will never get 138m for him.
They have probably rationalised it by thinking they have no chance of top 4 if they sell.
I think Liverpool are doing the right thing not to sell. No way in hell they are going to get replacements in with the time left, and the kid will have to return and play to be in with a chance for the World Cup squad. They are doing the right thing in an unfortunate situation where you lose a little bit regardless of which option you choose.
The poor guy could literally walk in Klopps office do a turd on the desk and smear it all over the walls and they would still keep him there. He is doing everything in his power to leave and they still hold on like a spurned lover. Other players will think twice about moving there in the future seeing as liverpool dont allow players their dream moves even when offered ridiculous money!
"poor guy" should learn to respect his contract then. Should rot in the reserves. And so what. At least they'll know a player means it when they want to sign a contract. Players have too much power.
He won't sit out the season. A couple of months sulking after the window shuts, a couple of months playing within himself at the end of the season to avoid injury, knowing the WC is where he showcases his worth to get his move. You then get essentially half the player and half the money when he eventually goes.
If you are willing to take that risk, go to town. Just bear in mind that not every player is a Suarez.
Fair play on Liverpool rejecting but he's worth £80m tops, the £138m fee is absolute madness for someone of his ability.
It's not like trying to replace Messi either is it, Coutinho is a good player but not irreplaceable.
It's not like trying to replace Messi either is it, Coutinho is a good player but not irreplaceable.
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