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giorno said:
VVD will be sold if you show up in Southampton with a cash truck
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that's like saying Bale would be sold if United shows up at Madrid with a cash truck. Assuming Bale wants to go, Perez would milk us and Woodward isn't stupid to pay the inflated price that would be quoted.

1. The quoted price for VVD iirc was 60m. That's way inflated enough and now you are expecting Pool to offer more? The transfer committee FSG put together is anything but stupid. Their mantra is and still is buy young and cheap.

2. Assuming coutinho is sold at 140m, blowing 60m++ on VVD who had one stand out season is really a poor judgement call. I believe they are cheaper and better alternatives out there.
 
101m + 37m in addons for Coutinho? Mad not to take it.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Here's the problem thouh, Southampton already rejected £60m for VVD from Liverpool.

If Liverpool sell Coutinho and get £100m+ from it, what do you think Southampton will do then? They'll try to completely fleece them, even more than they're doing now.
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Incorrect. Liverpool have never made an offer for vD. They all but announced his signing without ever approaching Southampton. AFAIK no one has made any offer. The figure of £60m is a strange one. Because Ralph Kreuger said that vD would not be sold, not ever for £60m, then that seems to have become the figure the press have gone with. The Chairman also reiterated that vD was not for sale, but did concede that everyone has their price. The way things are going, I suspect that that would be £70m - or £80m for Liverpool.

The thing is, vD's value won't be going down if we don't sell this window. Probably won't go down it we don't sell in January. Coutinho on the other hand is different. Would be surprised if LFC could get the same amount again for him. However, it should be noted that some of the add ons are ridiculous. I think, but happy to be corrected, one is if he wins the Ballon d'Or. However, I guess if he is sold, then LFC can include all the add ons in the price so that they look better with their fans.
 
Wessex Saint said:
Incorrect. Liverpool have never made an offer for vD. They all but announced his signing without ever approaching Southampton. AFAIK no one has made any offer. The figure of £60m is a strange one. Because Ralph Kreuger said that vD would not be sold, not ever for £60m, then that seems to have become the figure the press have gone with. The Chairman also reiterated that vD was not for sale, but did concede that everyone has their price. The way things are going, I suspect that that would be £70m - or £80m for Liverpool.

The thing is, vD's value won't be going down if we don't sell this window. Probably won't go down it we don't sell in January. Coutinho on the other hand is different. Would be surprised if LFC could get the same amount again for him. However, it should be noted that some of the add ons are ridiculous. I think, but happy to be corrected, one is if he wins the Ballon d'Or. However, I guess if he is sold, then LFC can include all the add ons in the price so that they look better with their fans.
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Speculation based on nothing.
 
Dans said:
101m + 37m in addons for Coutinho? Mad not to take it.
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Yeah. I can see this being another scenario where a club rejects a massive offer for a player, only for him to sulk and/or turn to shit in the following seasons. Expect a £10m move to Galatasaray in 2 years.

Happened with Sneijder to United, Adriano to every club that was interested in him ca. 2003-04 etc.
 
Wessex Saint said:
Incorrect. Liverpool have never made an offer for vD. They all but announced his signing without ever approaching Southampton. AFAIK no one has made any offer. The figure of £60m is a strange one. Because Ralph Kreuger said that vD would not be sold, not ever for £60m, then that seems to have become the figure the press have gone with. The Chairman also reiterated that vD was not for sale, but did concede that everyone has their price. The way things are going, I suspect that that would be £70m - or £80m for Liverpool.

The thing is, vD's value won't be going down if we don't sell this window. Probably won't go down it we don't sell in January. Coutinho on the other hand is different. Would be surprised if LFC could get the same amount again for him. However, it should be noted that some of the add ons are ridiculous. I think, but happy to be corrected, one is if he wins the Ballon d'Or. However, I guess if he is sold, then LFC can include all the add ons in the price so that they look better with their fans.
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If he plays like crap because he's unhappy then his value might go down. To be fair if I were you, at £65m or £70m you should sell. He's not worth that kind of money.
 
I have argued that Liverpool shouldn't sell Coutinho at any price, but that was before he made it very clear that he wants out

You really are cutting your nose off to spite your face by keeping a player against their will when good money is on the table. People may draw comparisons with Ronaldo and Dave but neither of these players were made to do anything against their will. In both cases, we outlined our positions, came to personal agreements with the players who both behaved impeccably as a result and then it came down to Real meeting our demands.
 
I was against Liverpool selling but at that money, I think it is more than a fair price. Key though is agreeing pre-contracts with Keita and Van Dijk and rebuilding from there.. otherwise it is pointless just having cash in hand.
 
RobinLFC said:
Speculation based on nothing.
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Coutinho's true value (whatever that means) may not go down this season, but Barca are offering miles over the odds because they're flush with cash and desperate to save face. Liverpool won't see an offer like this for Coutinho again.
 
Peanut Butter said:
Liverpool won't land VVD and Keita this late in window.
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VVD can very much move this window. Southampton signed Howedt (I think that's how you spell his name?) for 15m GBP this week so I think they're bracing themselves for the exit.
 
VP89 said:
VVD can very much move this window. Southampton signed Howedt (I think that's how you spell his name?) for 15m GBP this week so I think they're bracing themselves for the exit.
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You make a good point.

I am not bothered by Liverpool - Klopp can't coach a defence so let them get a prime Maldini, won't make a huge difference.
 
VP89 said:
VVD can very much move this window. Southampton signed Howedt (I think that's how you spell his name?) for 15m GBP this week so I think they're bracing themselves for the exit.
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Southampton released a rather telling statement.

“Wesley has proven his talent through his performances for Lazio, as well as the Netherlands, and we believe he can develop even further here at Southampton, alongside his international team-mate Virgil van Dijk, as well as the likes of Jack Stephens, Maya Yoshida, Jan Bednarek and Florin Gardos.
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They aren't going to sell him.
 
VP89 said:
VVD can very much move this window. Southampton signed Howedt (I think that's how you spell his name?) for 15m GBP this week so I think they're bracing themselves for the exit.
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Hoedt is the Fonte replacement.
 
Liverpool are sort of in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with Coutihno. I admire the fact they are saying to their fans they are more concerned with keeping their best players than the money; however, to turn down that sort of money on a player who quite frankly is not worth it and has put in a public transfer request could backfire big time. I had read the Coutihno made it plain to management he wanted to go to Barcelona, if possible, even before Neymar was sold. Barca have wanted him to be the replacement for Iniesta, not Neymar. I'm not saying it is his dream to play at Barca, but if it was I can see him sulking a bit and creating some problems the team doesn't need.
 
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2. Assuming coutinho is sold at 140m, blowing 60m++ on VVD who had one stand out season is really a poor judgement call. I believe they are cheaper and better alternatives out there.
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So go for one of those then. Point is right now the market situation is such that liverpool might be able to sell coutinho and improve
 
Unmutual said:
Coutinho's true value (whatever that means) may not go down this season, but Barca are offering miles over the odds because they're flush with cash and desperate to save face. Liverpool won't see an offer like this for Coutinho again.
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That wasn't the part I was referring to though. "Van Dijk's value won't go down if we don't sell this window" is pure bullshit though as he might have a disaster of a season whilst unhappy at Saints, or he might be injured once again which will also reflect badly on his value. I agree that we probably won't be able to sell Coutinho for anything near £138m next window.

And I think buying Van Dijk is a lost cause for Liverpool. Saints are adamant he's staying and they won't sell him to Liverpool of all clubs.
 
The problem is what can you get for the money this late in the window. If Liverpool had an agreement for Goretzka/Howedes for €80M and Draxler for €60M, I´d take the money and run. But do the clubs want to sell and more importantly do the players want to come.

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Dans said:
101m + 37m in addons for Coutinho? Mad not to take it.
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Not really. They would have to overspend themselves on their replacement. Every club would know they are desperate, have little time left in the window and with loads of money to spare => insanely inflated transfer fees.
 
The Coutinho affair is really getting on my nerves now. Perhaps I'm just being realistic here, but I always thought Coutinho was good enough to sign for a bigger club even last season. I was prepared for his departure for over a year, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Yet fans were in complete meltdown throughout this whole affair, and they got angry at him, and they got angry at the club, and they were panicking for no apparent reason.

If we were to sell him, I'd only be mad at the club.
He is right to want a move to Barcelona, if he gets the opportunity to do so. I think we as fans should by now get used to this. A top athlete wants to compete at a highest level, if we understand that when it comes to individual sports, we should be able to understand that when it comes to a footballer too. So I'm not angry at Phil at all, it was fairly clear to me he's gonna go and write up a transfer request the minute Barcelona made the first bid. So what happens now? Well, if Klopp now claims Phil isn't 100% in it or whatever excuse he tried to use with Sakho, I think he should get sacked, honestly. Phil is still our best player, and besides Mane the only one that can turn the game around on his own, so not playing him at this point would be absolutely disgraceful.

I don't even care if he apologizes to the fans or whatever, who cares? He wanted to move on, the club said no, fair enough. As long as he's being professional about it, we all win. With Liverpool, there's always some unnerving transfer drama, and the media manipulate the fans, causing absolute panic. Look, all clubs in England have problems with transfer requests, and they simply deny them, deny the sale, and both the club and the player move on like nothing happened. This isn't some weird, bizarre thing we're talking about here. Gareth Barry tried to force a move away from Villa three times before he succeeded, and nobody cared. So let's not create drama out of something that needn't be that.
If Phil stays, great, now play him. We got a European competition to worry about, and I've seen relegation sides with more squad depth than us, so he better plays.

What also needs to be said is what James Pearce and bunch of other Echo journos said on some podcast; clubs in England are getting too rich for player sales. They're still making profit without selling their best players. Southampton can afford keeping VVD at the club, and we can afford keeping Coutinho at the club. There's no need to sell, because there's no profit to be made. How do I know that? Because it's FSG who are denying Barcelona their player. If the greedy yanks at FSG are the ones that oppose this move, that's all you need to know really. Players and agents are losing their power over clubs, and in the future, we'll see less and less deals happening.
 
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Raees said:
I was against Liverpool selling but at that money, I think it is more than a fair price. Key though is agreeing pre-contracts with Keita and Van Dijk and rebuilding from there.. otherwise it is pointless just having cash in hand.
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Perfectly summed up. This is where I stand too. It is not shortage of money that has stopped us from signing VVD and Keita. We were ready to spend 70m on each even before the Coutinho money. There is no chance we are getting those two this late in the window even with additional 100m in our bank.
 
Lizard said:
If we were to sell him, I'd only be mad at the club.
He is right to want a move to Barcelona, if he gets the opportunity to do so. I think we as fans should by now get used to this. A top athlete wants to compete at a highest level, if we understand that when it comes to individual sports, we should be able to understand that when it comes to a footballer too. So I'm not angry at Phil at all, it was fairly clear to me he's gonna go and write up a transfer request the minute Barcelona made the first bid. So what happens now? Well, if Klopp now claims Phil isn't 100% in it or whatever excuse he tried to use with Sakho, I think he should get sacked, honestly. Phil is still our best player, and besides Mane the only one that can turn the game around on his own, so not playing him at this point would be absolutely disgraceful.
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Whilst I agree with pretty much all you said, the one point I would like to make is that as a club you want to be the club at the top, you want to be the one that the top players want to come to and play for. How do you achieve this if you sell your top players to the top clubs all the time. You wont ever achieve what you want as the gap will only grow if someone doesn't try and break the trend.
 
Adisa said:
I don't get it. Barcelona are pretending to be trying to sign him?
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That is ballbags being ballbags... Sitting on top of the wall and making confusing and ridiculous statements so that when Coutinho becomes a Barca player he can say "I told you so" and if he doesn't become a Barca player, he would still say "I told you so"
 
Trikie said:
Whilst I agree with pretty much all you said, the one point I would like to make is that as a club you want to be the club at the top, you want to be the one that the top players want to come to and play for. How do you achieve this if you sell your top players to the top clubs all the time. You wont ever achieve what you want as the gap will only grow if someone doesn't try and break the trend.
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I agree, but it doesn't seem to me as if we want to ever get to the top. It's also true that very few clubs in England (if any) can prevent their player joining Real Madrid or Barcelona, since they're far more successful both financially and in European competitions, regularly.
 
If the reports are true, as in Barcelona have bid 138 million, I think Liverpool would be foolish not to sell. He is worth about half that. They could easily reinvest the money in a replacement. Granted they themselves would have to over pay, but they could find someone.

It makes me laugh because although he is very good, he is not that good.
 
Hugh Jass said:
If the reports are true, as in Barcelona have bid 138 million, I think Liverpool would be foolish not to sell. He is worth about half that. They could easily reinvest the money in a replacement. Granted they themselves would have to over pay, but they could find someone.

It makes me laugh because although he is very good, he is not that good.
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At this time only a 150m or at least 130 m pounds in full plus add ones is a decent offer for a club live Liverpool to sell.
 
Depends how that bid is placed maybe Barca made a bid of 138m through 138 years.
 
Wonder how long Barca delayed the inevitable of Neymar leaving. I know they spat their dummy out about FFP but the deal was done a couple of days later. If they could've got the deal done with PSG earlier then perhaps Liverpool would have time to find a replacement.

Tricky situation as usually the player would fetch the same or more next season but with Barca it's like they see Coutinho to slot quickly into a system and there isn't many of his type about so if they don't get him then there's a big chance Barca will opt for a different solution and future moves could be off.
 
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But seriously guys, the new deadline has been set for this Sunday. If we don't hear from you then we will be forced to raise our offer.
You have been warned
 
I don't think Liverpool can sell at this stage. They won't be able to buy anyone as good with so little time left in the window, so they'd be massively risking their chances of top 4 if they sell him and then hold the money until next summer.
 
Brophs said:
I don't think Liverpool can sell at this stage. They won't be able to buy anyone as good with so little time left in the window, so they'd be massively risking their chances of top 4 if they sell him and then hold the money until next summer.
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They sold Torres on deadline day back in 2012, didn't they? And spunked £35m on Carroll a few hours later.

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They won't get £140m for him next summer. Still think they'll finish 5th even if they keep him.
 
Buchan said:
They sold Torres on deadline day back in 2012, didn't they? And spunked £35m on Carroll a few hours later.

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Yeah, but they'd have to be a massive bunch of idiots not to have lear....oh, yeah, fair point.
 
Jacko21 said:
£138m for an Inter Milan reject.

I don't understand what Barcelona think they're getting.
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:lol:

You spent £89m on a United reject last Summer if you follow that reasoning.
 
Even if they sell Coutinho for £100m+ and sign VVD and Keita for £100m each I'd say that represents a pretty successful outcome for Liverpool.

Better by far than any other outcome.
 
hobbers said:
Even if they sell Coutinho for £100m+ and sign VVD and Keita for £100m each I'd say that represents a pretty successful outcome for Liverpool.

Better by far than any other outcome.
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You mean those two players whose clubs have said, repeatedly and without any hesitation, that they're not for sale? Right...
 
Doubt they'll win anything even if they do keep him, their squad is shit outside the first XI. That money could add some depth. Hopefully they sign no one else, he stays and disrupts the squad, and their season goes down the shitter.
 
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