Its always been the way of the jungle. Its such a hoo haa because finally someone is saying no with a high profile player and the amount is in excess of 100 mil.. If this is 1 mil worth of some no player from millwall being forced to sell to everton it wont make it into local news. Boo hoo
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PSG bought him for just about that 6 months ago and they need money to make the books work. Maybe not £40m but he won't fetch them above £60m.
This with bells on!
It's an incredible deal for Coutinho & an unbelievable deal for Liverpool. They could sort out all their issues with that money & be a much better side. Coutinho isn't even their best player.
Hope they stupidly refuse.
Can they, though? People said the same about the Suarez money (obviously Suarez > Coutinho) but they largely spent it on absolute drivel because they are unable to attract the top tier of players. It's no use getting £100m when the other players who'd cost that sort of money won't go near your club.
I think you're seriously underestimating the costs. If bought this window, Draxler will easily fetch more than £60 million, as will van Dijk, and likely any target Liverpool are chasing for their first team. As soon as they receive £120 million+ for Coutinho, all selling clubs will know their situation and fleece them as a result.
It's okay to sell a player at the end of the season, but this late into the window it's not.
Pool won't get VVD or Keita, even if they would offer 80 mil. for either of them. Both clubs made it crystal clear from day one that they ain't selling. Maybe Pool could get their hands on Draxler with a bid starting at 50 mil. pounds, but for me the German is an inferior player when compared to the Brazilian.
So long story short: i'd rather not sell Coutinho now. What good is the money if you can't get new adequate players as replacements in. Coutinho has a long term contract, Pool have time on their side and could even decide to sell in three years. If Coutinho starts sulking, he could sit on the bench for a while, but apart from Costa who clearly has issues, these guys are way too competitive to stop playing football. Something they worked their whole life to achieve. Furthermore Klopp has got the tools to bring him back into the team.
Tell Barca to do one.
Pool won't get VVD or Keita, even if they would offer 80 mil. for either of them. Both clubs made it crystal clear from day one that they ain't selling. Maybe Pool could get their hands on Draxler with a bid starting at 50 mil. pounds, but for me the German is an inferior player when compared to the Brazilian.
So long story short: i'd rather not sell Coutinho now. What good is the money if you can't get new adequate players as replacements in. Coutinho has a long term contract, Pool have time on their side and could even decide to sell in three years. If Coutinho starts sulking, he could sit on the bench for a while, but apart from Costa who clearly has issues, these guys are way too competitive to stop playing football. Something they worked their whole life to achieve. Furthermore Klopp has got the tools to bring him back into the team.
Tell Barca to do one.
He's not going to be unhappy for long. He has too much to lose.
Yeah I don't know why people keep saying they should sell him and buy these 2, it's not like they haven't tried already!
I don't buy this. Liverpool, a side devoid of creativity in Coutinho's absence, are in need of him more than he is of Liverpool. Even if he throws a strop, Klopp will have him back in the team come the middle of September. There's no way he's getting the Sakho treatment.
You just needed to stop there, if we were talking about a player on Suarez level and what he meant for Liverpool then it's a no brainer. But Coutinho isn't even their best player and is VASTLY overpriced.
I'd argue that selling him and just buying VVD alone who does want to join would make them a better side.
Thats my point. And Coutinho isn't going to sulk.
He's not worth £138m
Last year people would have raised eyebrows if he went for £38 million.
Seriously, 7 assists/13 goals is his BEST season?
How has that become some incredible world class player?
Well clearly I don't need to stop there. My point was that Coutinho, in liverpool's eyes, isn't replaceable. No, he's not Suarez but he has been their best player in their last few seasons (though Mane looks like taking that mantle now) and they know full well themselves that they won't get a player as good as him with the money they get from him.
What's the point in them getting £100m if they know they won't be able to spend it on a player as good as Coutinho?
Then, as others mentioned, there's the fact that every other club will know they have this money, and, as we're seeing with Barca, will try to complete fleece them for any player they go for.
This. Good post.
It's a trap then. Sit on this money instead and wait for a better opportunity to improve your team next year or in 2019. Spending £90m or whatever Southampton would ask for on van Dijk, or £70m on Draxler is idiotic.
I said this after Neymar transfer, I could easily see that £198m being watered down to poor value in the end if it goes towards panic signings. If they sign Coutinho for £138m now (that sounds absolutely mad), then it means Neymar cost Coutinho + Paulinho plus change, which is utter crap return. If Liverpool then spend £80m of it on van Dijk and further £80m on Keita, it means that Neymar basically turned into van Dijk, Paulinho and Keita. That is so ridiculously bad.
I mean, if through NBA-like trade someone offered you Coutinho and Paulinho for Neymar, when would you stop laughing? Now imagine someone offers you van Dijk, Keita (he's a talent but he's had ONE year of top tier football) and Paulinho, imagine.
He's versatile and can play in positions where Barcelona are currently weak. There's also a train of thought that he'd excel in La Liga, a lesser-paced, although more technical, league. I don't think he's worth the £100m+ Liverpool are holding out for, regardless of their public utterances, but he's far more accomplished than a £38m player, let's be honest here.
I think Barca will inevitably turn their attention to Dembele quite soon as he's likely going to cost less and his ceiling is IMO much, much higher than Coutinho's.
Liverpool owners wont spend all the coutinho money maybe about 40m of it. Basically Before they bought liverpool they said they want to make profit in selling players for their own pockets. It happened with the suarez money and will happen with the coutinho money as well. I think that fsg will not spend all the money on new players.
This is the biggest laugh of the window, this whole transfer is what making football look like a joke, not the Neymar transfer.
Not worth that sort of money, never has been and never will be.
Will go for a fraction of that price when he eventually goes.
Not worth that sort of money, never has been and never will be.
Will go for a fraction of that price when he eventually goes.
I want us to sell him now IF it means we sort out our defensive issues with the money, because our last three defensive displays were pretty horrible. That said, we probably won't be able to do that so I'd rather keep him if that's the case.
Also, wtf is up with people mentioning Keita? What planet are you living on?
Also, wtf is up with people mentioning Keita? What planet are you living on?
PSG need to sell though. They won't be playing hardball over £10M
Just to remind everyone, £38 million would be more than we paid for Juan Mata just 3 years ago.
Which is an eternity in football. Stop trying to compare transfer fees over different seasons, let alone three years ago or soon people will bring up the '50m for Zidane' argument
Liverpool are crazy not taking the money. The player doesn't want to be at the club anymore so let him move on for what is a more than generous fee.
They could bring Mahrez in for 40-45m and have 75 left to splurge. Has to be one of the strangest run transfer windows I've seen from a club.
They could bring Mahrez in for 40-45m and have 75 left to splurge. Has to be one of the strangest run transfer windows I've seen from a club.
Mata was £37.5m, wasn't he, so just slightly above. Allowing for (non-football, which we know isn't as high) inflation, that's still £40m today. Then there's the caveat that Mata was a cast-off whereas Coutinho is the fulcrum of his team.
There's no way Coutinho is a ~£40m player this summer, or even last. He's at least a £60m+ player but I am still genuinely flabbergasted that FSG, of all people, remain unflinched at the gargantuan £100m+ offer on the table, installments or not. It's not like their van Dijk offer wasn't structured and was a £60m cash upfront deal. It's bizarre.
I don't get it. Barcelona are pretending to be trying to sign him?
I mean, scenario where liverpool would be better off selling:
- £90-100M+Rakitic
- Draxler
- VVD
- Goretzka
- £140M
- Draxler
- VVD
- Milinkovic-Savic/Goretzka
- N'Zonzi
7 assists, 13 goals and injury prone for 138m? Truly bonkers. FSG is truly trying to show who is the boss here. Dont think Klopp wants him there anymore considering what Coutinho have said leading to all this drama.
I think is extremely poor judgement from Barca to pay this absurd amount of money for a player who at best is worth 70m. Dembele, Draxler and Di Maria is as good if not better and won't cost this much. Time for Barca to move on. Thanks for unsettling the player.
I think is extremely poor judgement from Barca to pay this absurd amount of money for a player who at best is worth 70m. Dembele, Draxler and Di Maria is as good if not better and won't cost this much. Time for Barca to move on. Thanks for unsettling the player.
I'd bite your hand off for those scenario's to happen but unfortunately they're not very realistic. No team is waiting to sell one of their best players so late in the transfer window. I could still see N'Zonzi moving because his release clause and he wants out, and Draxler because of FFP, but Goretzka has his sight set on bigger teams once he's free in 2018, Soton only yesterday said that "Hoedt will be an excellent partner to his fellow countryman Van Dijk" and no way are Lazio selling Milinkovic-Savic imo.
The 7 goals + 13 assists argument made by people is weird as well - you only have to look at Modric' stats for the last few years to see that they aren't everything in football. Of course Coutinho is nowhere near that level but you get the overall picture, his influence on this Liverpool team goes way past raw stats.
Here's the problem thouh, Southampton already rejected £60m for VVD from Liverpool.
If Liverpool sell Coutinho and get £100m+ from it, what do you think Southampton will do then? They'll try to completely fleece them, even more than they're doing now.
Appeasing the fans maybe?
Draxler is on the market for FFP reasons, VVD will be sold if you show up in Southampton with a cash truck, N'Zonzi has a buyout clause
Goretzka would be difficult, Milinkovic too though Lazio are not in a position where they can easily refuse £50-60M
Hence why Liverpool should demand Rakitic be included in the deal
So give them £80m
And then how much for Draxler and Goretza? You expect Pool to
A) pump out £200m on three players
B) actually obtain those players
I mean, would they even want to go there, VVD aside?
They offered £75m for Keita. Obviously FSG have no issue with spending
Yep, that's how I see it too. I'd hate to see Liverpool fall into a £140m windfall all because Barcelona got desperate. Even if it means that Liverpool can't spend the money until the next window. Barcelona could realistically sign two top-class players in midfield and attack for little more than the mooted Coutinho fee. It's incredible.
It can't be a coincidence anymore that everytime there is talk of another bid coming from these ***** that it's either the day before or on the day we play a match. It's total arrogance to assume we won't sell Coutinho to Barca but we will still be able to sign VVD. Southampton may not be a big club but they are not going to make themselves look like fools by selling him now after all this time. If we had any sense we should have just hijacked this Dutch centre back they signed from Lazio yesterday.
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