Philippe Coutinho

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do.ob said:
You mean the match after the terrorist attack? Dembele scored in the first leg and provided a solo run for an assist in the second leg. Where was old Messi against Juventus or PSG? 1 assist in 4 matches. Silly way of looking at players, silly post.
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If you don't see the difference between Messi ripping Madrid apart and scoring 3 goals in the Clasico at 19, and Dembele scoring 6 goals in a whole year in Bundesliga last season, nothing I can do more.

Messi at 19 ripped prime Mourinho Chelsea apart pretty much on his own on Stanford Bridge. What are we talking about here? It's a massive difference between young Messi and young Dembele. Massive. Messi at 18 ridiculed an entire Juventus team in the Gamper (Barcelona - Juventus 2005). Messi is a Maradona level player and talent. Dembele is not. Dembele is not even a Neymar level talent.
 
serghei said:
If you don't see the difference between Messi ripping Madrid apart and scoring 3 goals in the Clasico at 19, and Dembele scoring 6 goals in a whole year in Bundesliga last season, nothing I can do more.

Messi at 19 ripped prime Mourinho Chelsea apart pretty much on his own on Stanford Bridge. What are we talking about here? It's a massive difference between young Messi and young Dembele. Massive. Messi at 18 ridiculed an entire Juventus team in the Gamper (Barcelona - Juventus 2005). Messi is a Maradona level player and talent. Dembele is not. Dembele is not even a Neymar level talent.
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I agree. Dembele is good but not worth more than £80m in this market, and that £80m figure is solely for his potential.
 
DJ Jeff said:
I agree. Dembele is good but not worth more than £80m in this market, and that £80m figure is solely for his potential.
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True. He'll be a super expensive bet, one that is not a sure thing but has considerable chance to pay off in the end. Not as big chances as with generational talents like Messi or Ronaldo, or even Neymar though.

Slightly more chances than Martial I reckon. Martial hasn't evolved much, so I'd say Barca shouldn't pay a dime over 120m. bonuses included for Dembele. He can stay at Dortmund if they demand crazy money like 150m. or some fantasy figure like that.
 
serghei said:
If you don't see the difference between Messi ripping Madrid apart and scoring 3 goals in the Clasico at 19, and Dembele scoring 6 goals in a whole year in Bundesliga last season, nothing I can do more.

Messi at 19 ripped prime Mourinho Chelsea apart pretty much on his own on Stanford Bridge. What are we talking about here? It's a massive difference between young Messi and young Dembele. Massive. Messi at 18 ridiculed an entire Juventus team in the Gamper (Barcelona - Juventus 2005). Messi is a Maradona level player and talent. Dembele is not. Dembele is not even a Neymar level talent.
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18, but that wasn't his point. He wasn't comparing dembele to messi, just answering to your post where you claimed dembele isn't all that because he failed to single-handedly get dortmund past monaco
 
giorno said:
18, but that wasn't his point. He wasn't comparing dembele to messi, just answering to your post where you claimed dembele isn't all that because he failed to single-handedly get dortmund past monaco
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He isn't all that in comparison with young Messi, yes. Stand by that every second.
 
ManuMou said:
As good as Coutinho is, from Neymar to Coutinho, is a huge downgrade......

Plus, the transfer fee.......I would say Neymar @ 222M is kinda "fairly" priced/not-so-inflated, I think Barca could have sold him for 250-300M if not for the buyout clause.

Coutinho's fee will definitely be inflated (if compared to Neymar's)

Barca has a bad window this season lol
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He's not a Neymar replacement.
 
Dembele is nowhere near young Messi, don't think many people ever have been. 19 year old Ronaldo was nowhere near as good as Messi at the same age.

Dembele is quality no doubt about that but Messi is once in a generation.
 
serghei said:
I'd say Dybala is more accomplished than Dembele. Griezmann as well. Plenty of players have done more than Dembele. Dembele is starting to get massively overrated strictly because he has potential. Quaresma had tons of potential as well, just to name an example. All I'm saying is that until Dembele shows he can be the difference maker in big stake games, and show real killer instinct, he is nowhere near Messi.

Where was Dembele wen Dortmund were knocked out by a 'supposedly inferior' side in Monaco? Young Messi would've turned Monaco upside down.

I've seen 5 times more wasted talents than talents that have fully blossomed into amazing players.
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Dembélé is 20 years old since last May. Dybala is 24 and Griezmann 26.

I don't like the term overrated.

Please let us know the players (better than Countinho & Dembélé) that Barcelona should acquire this summer.
 
Ecstatic said:
Dembélé is 20 years old since last May. Dybala is 24 and Griezmann 26.

I don't like the term overrated.

Please let us know the players (better than Countinho & Dembélé) that Barcelona should acquire this summer.
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We should get Coutinho and Demebele, even if Dembele is overrated. Barca can turn him into a world class player and confirm the expectations. But as opposed to getting a world class player, who improves you right away, Barca has some work to do to develop Dembele into one of the best players in the world.

150m. for a player that you need to develop quite a lot to get the full reward later on is too much.
 
serghei said:
We should get Coutinho and Demebele, even if Dembele is overrated. Barca can turn him into a world class player and confirm the expectations. But as opposed to getting a world class player, who improves you right away, Barca has some work to do to develop Dembele into one of the best players in the world.

150m. for a player that you need to develop quite a lot to get the full reward later on is too much.
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Neymar - coming from Brazil to join Europe and acquired for 100 millions - was also a challenging acquisition.
 
Ecstatic said:
Neymar - coming from Brazil to join Europe and acquired for 100 millions - was also a challenging acquisition.
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I have no real memories of that period but wasn't Neymar already some megastar in Brazil and for the national team when they bought him ? Dembelé is still fairly "unproven".
 
kouroux said:
I have no real memories of that period but wasn't Neymar already some megastar in Brazil and for the national team when they bought him ? Dembelé is still fairly "unproven".
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He was. Neymar was sort of a star already and a bigger talent than Dembele.

Ecstatic said:
Neymar - coming from Brazil to join Europe and acquired for 100 millions - was also a challenging acquisition.
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Neymar was already a star player for Brazil back then. Dembele is not even a starter for France, is he?
 
kouroux said:
I have no real memories of that period but wasn't Neymar already some megastar in Brazil and for the national team when they bought him ? Dembelé is still fairly "unproven".
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Neymar could have become Denilson.

Dembélé is a player with a proven track record in Europe at least

Any expensive acquisition of a player under 20 is risky in theory.
 
Ecstatic said:
Neymar could have become Denilson.

Dembélé is a player with a proven track record in Europe at least

Any expensive acquisition of a player under 20 is risky in theory.
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I used to have that opinion at first, it seems to make sense.

Looking at record setting or yearly highest transfer of young players through history the success rate is actually incredibly good and people are more likely to remember the flops.

A player being great at a teen age is a better predictor than most think.

There's a reason every team in the world wants to buy Mbappe for that outrageous fee.
 
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serghei said:
We should get Coutinho and Demebele, even if Dembele is overrated. Barca can turn him into a world class player and confirm the expectations. But as opposed to getting a world class player, who improves you right away, Barca has some work to do to develop Dembele into one of the best players in the world.

150m. for a player that you need to develop quite a lot to get the full reward later on is too much.
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Then leave him where he is and stop pressuring him and BVB. :) Dortmund is happy to develop him by themself.
 
It's weird seeing Balague take the side (reporting it at least) of the English club against Barca in a saga like this. Maybe it's because of who is involved and where he lives. You can guarantee if it was United he would be harping on about it's just a matter of time before Barca get their man/
 
Schneckerl said:
I used to have that opinion at first, it seems to make sense.

Looking at record setting or yearly highest transfer of young players through history the success rate is actually incredibly good and people are more likely to remember the flops.

A player being great at a teen age is a better predictor than most think.

There's a reason every team in the world wants to buy Mbappe for that outrageous fee.
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I agree with you. My point was just to say it's required to take risks to secure future stars
 
dwd said:
It's weird seeing Balague take the side (reporting it at least) of the English club against Barca in a saga like this. Maybe it's because of who is involved and where he lives. You can guarantee if it was United he would be harping on about it's just a matter of time before Barca get their man/
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He absolutely loves Liverpool it seems, another reason to dislike the guy.
 
Red Star One said:
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I heard that this is taken out of context. They were just updating all these posters with the new shirt to show their new sleeve sponsor. Just unfortunate (or fortunate) timing.

Either way I feel this transfer still has legs yet. Liverpool's result wasn't exactly ideal and selling Coutinho would generate a very negative aura around the club. It's key now that Liverpool get a good result in the game against Hoffenheim.
 
They should just get the max they could and sell him. I always thought Coutinho was underrated (on here), but with the price being touted about seems not at Barca and is now being vastly overrated.

This type of money is ballon d'or top 10 class players, i am not even sure has ever made it into the top 50..
 
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starman said:
They should just get the max they could and sell him. I always thought Coutinho was underrated (on here), but with the price being touted about seems not at Barca and is now being vastly overrated.

This type of money is ballon d'or top 10 class players, i am not even sure has ever made it into the top 50..
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Probably not. They had themselves bids of 70m pounds refused for VVD and Keita (for the later, it might have been even more). Dembele seems to be costing 120-130m pounds, while Mbappe might cost 200m. Thing is, at this stage, they cannot use those money to improve their squad. They could either overpay stupidly (like bid 100m for VVD or Keita) or go for an expensive downgrade like Sigurdsson (50-60m). They're better off keeping Coutinho.

Barca on the other hand desperately need a replacement for Iniesta, and Coutinho is arguably the best they can get.
 
Revan said:
Probably not. They had themselves bids of 70m pounds refused for VVD and Keita (for the later, it might have been even more). Dembele seems to be costing 120-130m pounds, while Mbappe might cost 200m. Thing is, at this stage, they cannot use those money to improve their squad. They could either overpay stupidly (like bid 100m for VVD or Keita) or go for an expensive downgrade like Sigurdsson (50-60m). They're better off keeping Coutinho.

Barca on the other hand desperately need a replacement for Iniesta, and Coutinho is arguably the best they can get.
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Just have to correct you on one point. LFC have never placed a bid for VVD, nor for that matter has anyone else at this stage.
 
Could they head to PSG for a replacement? Look like they're about to have a fire-sale on AM's at the moment.

Draxler surely won't play much and will want out, plenty of worse places to go than Liverpool where he should at least play a fair bit and have a crack at fulfilling his talent.

Not sure Di Maria would go there and maybe he's in Emery's plans, but could be worth a look. How's Pastore getting on these days?

SwansonsTache said:
Not since 09 no.

N'Zonzi has a release clause which would make him available this late in the window, and the cb's I've mentioned are clear upgrades on what they've already got.

Never seen Tah but seen plenty of German posters mention him, and with the German link from Klopp I threw his name in there. Seen enough of the others though and they would all three instantly be Liverpools best CB.
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:lol:

'Liverpool should definitely sign this player who I haven't seen'.
 
BluesJr said:




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I think the problem is that Klopp´s English is not that nuanced and even if people interpret the literal content of his words correctly, it´s not necessarily what Klopp tried to say in his secondary language in the first place. :lol:

@Tah

He is a good talent, but he´s also a headless chicken. It´s like Boateng´s first go around at City. He was just not ready. Same is true for Rudiger and Tah. Exceptional physical talent, but they cannot lead a backline. Unlike Boateng I don´t think they´ll ever be able to, especially not Rudiger.
 
JustFootballFan said:
@Tah

He is a good talent, but he´s also a headless chicken. It´s like Boateng´s first go around at City. He was just not ready. Same is true for Rudiger and Tah. Exceptional physical talent, but they cannot lead a backline. Unlike Boateng I don´t think they´ll ever be able to, especially not Rudiger.
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Agree with every word.. Rudiger isn´t ready not even close and Tah is further back than Rudiger for me..
 
Revan said:
Probably not. They had themselves bids of 70m pounds refused for VVD and Keita (for the later, it might have been even more). Dembele seems to be costing 120-130m pounds, while Mbappe might cost 200m. Thing is, at this stage, they cannot use those money to improve their squad. They could either overpay stupidly (like bid 100m for VVD or Keita) or go for an expensive downgrade like Sigurdsson (50-60m). They're better off keeping Coutinho.

Barca on the other hand desperately need a replacement for Iniesta, and Coutinho is arguably the best they can get.
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But none of what you have said has actually happened, it's all press talk. Mbappé and Dembele are both regarded as the two outstanding young players in the world and even their age will threaten to break into the top 50 this year, at least. They will be like Messi or Ronaldo leaving at 18/20

There are several players Liverpool could ask for in exchange if Barca are desperate to land Coutinho, that could replace him, Gomez or Rakitić being two
 
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