When he signed that deal he and nobody else expected Barcelona to sell Neymar.
Things and plans change.
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When he signed that deal he and nobody else expected Barcelona to sell Neymar.
Things and plans change.
It's obviously from the same source. The whole thing is an aggressive campaign to agitate the transfer - Coutinho's team are operating a consistent approach here. It's embellishment and exaggeration to achieve the optimum outcome. The Liverpool based journalists weren't lying, by the way, they just weren't privy to the leak unlike Sky.
I think he will. Suarez was basically wailing and gnashing his teeth in public and he still stayed another season.
It is greatly annoying that this is a a bigger story today than you know... Playing against Watford and footy being back. Poor form from him to do this now.
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Since that contract signing the football world has changed. Neymar is gone. Something Coutinho and every one else never thought would happen. There is now an almost guaranteed starting role at Barcelona. I can totally understand why he's doing this.
He's entering his prime and is wanted by one of the biggest clubs, a club that would see him win the biggest trophies trophies. I'm not sure how wanting out is "idiotic", it'd be more idiotic to happily stay.
Think its time the premiership put in release clauses as standard, there's already an assumption that players will be allowed to leave under a fair offer anyway
Careers are shorter these days and locking someone down for 5 years is ridiculous. There has to be a balance as its the clubs that push the longer contracts so they can leverage it for higher asking prices and stability.
I can understand where Coutinho and Dembele are coming from, but their reactions are still miles away from being reasonable or mature. If your desire to play for Barca is that strong then either don't sign such a long term contract or demand a release clause. It's not like Real/Barca having a vacancy is something no one could've anticipated either. Sure - you wouldn't have guessed Neymar to be the one starting it, but Messi/Ronaldo/Suarez are all in their thirties now and thus chances are one of them will need to be replaced in the next two or three years.
Big fish ALWAYS gonna eat little fish. Its the way of the world.
He signed that contract probably with the full belief he was never getting in that starting line up or Madrids.
It's totally understandably why he's pushing so hard for this to happen. He may never get the chance again. They will turn to another player if he can't go. He'll never get a clearer run to start games. There isn't really any competition for that place, where as if he went next season there will be probably be someone to fight for the place with.
I'd do the same. Barcelona over Liverpool. No brainer.
Suarez never actually handed in a transfer request and was given a bumper contract to stay another season, that won't happen with Coutinho.
I do think there will be changes ahead in how contracts are done, not merely based on this bizarre window. Isco's newly extended contract with a €700M buyout is a case in point of how ludicrous contracts are that effectively prevent free movement in Europe. Buyouts like these are arbitrary and then preventing a player from leaving when they want to? Not sustainable
I think he is a despicable little shit for handing/e-maling the TR literally 24 hours before we kick off the new season. But as much as I'd love to solely blame the player I'm pretty sure he would have let the club know at least 3 weeks ago that he wanted to go, they probably never anticipated him agitating for a move like this and coming out with nonsense like his relationship with the manager being bad etc. Having slept on it I think we should just sell him, not every player that has a move denied pulls off a Suarez season. Get rid.
That might work in the past , but not in the future.
Change is a reality every one has to face .
Clubs only like short term deals for older players.
So why can't clubs get deals done this summer? PL clubs awash with money, select teams in Europe backed by financial doping. Transfer fees prohibitively high to put off potential suitors. It appears that the landscape is changing. To use historical precedent as a way of predicting current situations is arguably flawed.
Maybe you don't know this but release clauses aren't mandatory in Europe at the moment. Italy, Germany, France and England don't have such a rule afaik. And besides a) that release clause has to hold up for the entirety of his contract, to judge it you'd have to speculate how transfer fees will develop over the next 4-5 years b) there is still no one forcing Isco to sign that contract c) Real pay him very high wages to compensate him for the "burden" of being tied to them d) these contracts are what keeps the system going, who would give an inexperienced youngster a chance if he were to leave for free whenever he's ready?
But yeah, lets change the entire system because Barca fecked up and apparently have to pay for it.
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Phil and Klopp had a row,
He's going to Barca now,
Mo Salah, Salah.
No he only threatened to sue us. Sure was good he didn't hand in that request or he would have left for sure. The transfer request is where it's at.
Liverpool and Barca have certainly made this transfer window funny. The cherry on top now would be Coutinho leaving and forcing Liverpool to make a panic signing ala Andy Carroll 
Tell that to Coutinho. He has demanded to be let go. He still has the option of buying out his contract and moving anyway i suppose.
I think we fooled ourselves into thinking that Prem clubs had a financial advantage. Which as you see they clearly do not. But even so, if the Prem clubs can continue to up the money in the game in 3 or 4 season time, the full effect will be felt. Higher wages and sign up fees will soar in england as opposed to europe. Meaning if Everton sign you for 500M who can afford to buy you after that? PSG? Real? Barca? If even that! But the top english clubs probably could easily (exaggeration in value for effect purposes).
However, if this does turn out to be the case what will happen with other leagues they will have to react. Or will it be Uefa that puts the reins on the march the Prem has stole.
But to answer your question, what deals cant get done? The 4 extra million that we didn't sign Perisic for? Cant or wont? We got 75% of our targets with one to still come in we all expect and nearly signed Griezmann for 100M but he wouldn't let his club down in their hour of need(which you have to respect). What deals do you mean?
Right this is only about Barcelona & Neymar, ask Dembélé how much he has appreciated the release clause when at Rennes and treated like a piece of meat - there is only one reason why the Frenchman is at Dortmund for more than his first release clause, Pinault and his stake in BVB
You're awfully naive to think I was implying a player should be able to move for free
Liverpool and Barca have certainly made this transfer window funny. The cherry on top now would be Coutinho leaving and forcing Liverpool to make a panic signing ala Andy Carroll
If I was them, I'd cash in on Coutinho and hijack Everton's bid for Sigurdsson.
Nah they should move for Barkley at £30m, FSG can keep the change
You call me naive in the same post that claims Pinault and Puma's 5% stake in Dortmund dictate policy? Well played.
No one is treating players like pieces of meat, no one forces them to sign contracts, they do so willingly. Sticking to your contractual rights is neither immoral nor is it something football specific. It's how the world works.
And of course I'm saying this is only about Neymar, when suddenly all those Barca fans peddle the position that poor poor players shouldn't be forced to honour their contracts for millions and millions of Euros. You're not fooling anyone.
Liverpool have told him that.
Not sure why everyone is questioning his back injury. I did my back in when packing and lifting my luggage to the taxi on the way to the airport as well. It's easily done.
I'm shocked Barcelona are willing to pay this much for Coutinho. By all means, spend that amount on an exceptional player, but Coutinho?? It's not like he's consistently great or anything like that - he's just very good sometimes. Surely they can do better?
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This deserves some love. I will read your book if you ever write one.
Nobody is the natural heir to Messi. Not Neymar, not Dembele, not Mbappe, not anyone. Messi at 19 years old was scoring 3 times against Real Madrid in El Clasico. This is the difference. Neymar, for example, scored 2 goals in about 6 games. Dembele and Mbappe are nowhere near.
This.
Barca should go for Mane instead of Dembele, he'd do much better in the next year or two. Add Coutinho and that'll also mean Liverpool finishing midtable...
Obviously, Dembele isn't as good as Messi. No one is. However, he's the closest to that kind of player that's available. He combines dribbling and vision like very few young players I have seen. It would be really foolish to turn him down when he's desperate to join. Although given your poor transfer record that's probably what you'd do.
I'd say Dybala is more accomplished than Dembele. Griezmann as well. Plenty of players have done more than Dembele. Dembele is starting to get massively overrated strictly because he has potential. Quaresma had tons of potential as well, just to name an example. All I'm saying is that until Dembele shows he can be the difference maker in big stake games, and show real killer instinct, he is nowhere near Messi.
Where was Dembele wen Dortmund were knocked out by a 'supposedly inferior' side in Monaco? Young Messi would've turned Monaco upside down.
I've seen 5 times more wasted talents than talents that have fully blossomed into amazing players.
No one is actually saying he's as good as Messi. Odds are he'll never be. In fact it would be a miracle if he does become as good. If Barca want to keep waiting for a player as good as Messi, well good luck with that.
2017 is not the same as 2014
Might as well say our precedent for selling De Gea to Real Madrid was set by our selling of Ronaldo to them in 2009
Real was always going to come back for Ronaldo.
He was the world player of the year.
This might be Coutinho's one shot at the big time.
The most baffling part of this for me, is Coutihnho isn't that good IMO!
He's a good 2 tiers below world-class, which I'd consider Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez for example.
He's a good 2 tiers below world-class, which I'd consider Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez for example.
True.
Saw Mahrez yesterday and he was just awful.
Might be better to let him go. That's what United were willing to do with DDG.
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