There is no guarantee he'll get this move as things stand. Yes, history tells us it probably will but he'd still get all that money if he signed for a shorter length and he'd have probably already left by now. If all players handled it this way transfers would go more smoothly. I can see Wenger's prediction about more players choosing to run their contracts down proving accurate with the way selling clubs are refusing ridiculous amounts of money for players who could be replaced with some clever scouting.
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There is no guarantee he'll get this move as things stand. Yes, history tells us it probably will but he'd still get all that money if he signed for a shorter length and he'd have probably already left by now. If all players handled it this way transfers would go more smoothly. I can see Wenger's prediction about more players choosing to run their contracts down proving accurate with the way selling clubs are refusing ridiculous amounts of money for players who could be replaced with some clever scouting.
Exactly.
I don't blame any player for wanting to go to Barcelona, but when you've just signed a five-year contract with no release clause making you the clubs highest earner, you can't expect us to just bend over, if said player then gets an even nicer offer a couple of days before the season starts.
While Barcelona's obviously more attractive than Liverpool, I suspect that our ridiculous lack of transfer activity also plays a part in him seemingly wanting to go. I, as a fan, am dissapointed and I'd guess that he is too.
So much shite in here about not being able to play for the club again - as if Wayne Rooney didn't hand in two transfer requests.
In three weeks time if he's still at LFC he'll be straight back in the squad. The onus is now on the club to see out the rest of the transfer window in spite of this shit show.
Poor form from the little twat though. He knew exactly the effect that doing this a day before the season begins would have. I'm sure his team mates for one will have some strong feelings about this.
In three weeks time if he's still at LFC he'll be straight back in the squad. The onus is now on the club to see out the rest of the transfer window in spite of this shit show.
Poor form from the little twat though. He knew exactly the effect that doing this a day before the season begins would have. I'm sure his team mates for one will have some strong feelings about this.
As indicated in my post just before this one, the millions of pounds earned from signing new contracts means you don't turn down the opportunities unless you want to leave and you have very little time left on your current deal. How long did he have left on his old deal? If it was years, then signing the new contract changed little aside from earning him millions of pounds more. It'd be a no brainer for even Jim Carrey's popular movie character.
Liverpool can't sell. I think they probably would have if they'd gotten Keita or Van Dijk but the precedent is set for them now... they'll be burned at the stake by their fanbase if they cave in now, the "well the player wanted to leave us so what could we do?" excuse is well and truly buried by their own inward target failures.
Ultimately they probably won't be able to play Coutinho until September but beyond then he won't be in Brazil's World Cup squad unless he gets his head on properly.
Ultimately they probably won't be able to play Coutinho until September but beyond then he won't be in Brazil's World Cup squad unless he gets his head on properly.
Rooney didn't hand in any transfer request.
Brazilian to Barca or stay in england? Hmmmm let me see?
You are of course right, carragh is trying to be the fans man in all this. And its typical of sky to allow such blatent bias in a clubs favour as long as its not us. Of course they will argue its balanced reporting but far as im concerned. The new found liking carragh had earned last season with his mainly unbiased punditry is vanishing fast.
8-10 years ago if this was him he'd be saying let me/him go. All players want to play at the highest level and sad as it is to admit barca and real are a step up on the prem. CL results prove this. While this continues thats the way it will be.
Still think there'd need to be some sort of public apology if he was to play again.
Because you still need those middle clubs to showcase your talents and something has to be in it for the club to take the risk on you. Clubs aren't going to play a 2 year contract game with a potential world class type talent, only to lose him to a big club for peanuts. Get real.
Coutinho is a bit of a special case as nobody could have predicted that PSG would meet Neymar's release cause, which is what put this potential move in motion. If this is really a dream type of move for Coutinho, he has to take advantage of it. He's tried to work with Liverpool for an amicable exit, but they refuse to do so, resulting in the situation we currently see.
Signing bonuses and incentives are bigger the longer the length of the contract. Given how worthless the contracts are when a player decides he wants to leave and join a bigger club, I personally wouldn't hesitate to sign for five years if it earned me millions more versus a shorter term contract and commitment.
Klopp needs to put an arm around him and convince him it's not that bad if he stays. A trip to Blackpool seems to do the trick.
Every footie player s dream for sure. You just don't get those kind of experiences in La Liga.
The big money is in loyalty bonuses which you will receive by signing a new contract. Of course getting two signing bonuses in the same year is pretty good but you shouldn't be expected that the club just says yes when you suddenly want to leave after just having signed a contract. Can't be making a chump out of the clubs like that. If that's your game then sign with a club in China or the Middle-East.
Perhaps from his point of view but he has no right at being mad at the club for not wanting to sell.
It's just never been the same with rooney since that transfer request. Under Fergie, he was marginalised to never be the main man again since then. United demise started when he became the captain. The most hated captain in maybe United history.
Oh this contract bullshit again. There is very, very, very few contracts in life that you sign and don't know what the mechanism is to break it. IMO contracts without release clauses should be banned for this reason.
Liverpool now choose to set whatever arbitrary price they see fit. Now that is fine if they are selling an apartment or a used dishwasher, but an employment contract should be viewed differently. If Liverpool choose to not sell or only sell at an unrealistically high price, that is bound to have an effect on Coutinho. The hawks on here will say he should just buckle down and continue performing for Liverpool but the reality is that missing out on his dream move could be mentally and psychologically devastating. Again, he is not a bar fridge.
Having players being stuck in this weird limbo is neither good for the player or the club. Release clauses ensure that the player has a way out and the club has pre-approved a set fee that would be a fair evaluation of the contract. Furthermore, release clauses should be depreciating in nature (very high in the first year, and becomes less and less over the life of the contract). This will stop your Roses, Coutinhos and VVDs from signing long contracts for no reason other than a pay bump, if they see a move in the near future.
A lot of posters seem to think a transfer involves two parties trading an asset, taking the third party-the player-completely out of the equation.
Liverpool now choose to set whatever arbitrary price they see fit. Now that is fine if they are selling an apartment or a used dishwasher, but an employment contract should be viewed differently. If Liverpool choose to not sell or only sell at an unrealistically high price, that is bound to have an effect on Coutinho. The hawks on here will say he should just buckle down and continue performing for Liverpool but the reality is that missing out on his dream move could be mentally and psychologically devastating. Again, he is not a bar fridge.
Having players being stuck in this weird limbo is neither good for the player or the club. Release clauses ensure that the player has a way out and the club has pre-approved a set fee that would be a fair evaluation of the contract. Furthermore, release clauses should be depreciating in nature (very high in the first year, and becomes less and less over the life of the contract). This will stop your Roses, Coutinhos and VVDs from signing long contracts for no reason other than a pay bump, if they see a move in the near future.
A lot of posters seem to think a transfer involves two parties trading an asset, taking the third party-the player-completely out of the equation.
When you consistantly feed them with top talents and loose yours the cycle is never going to break , which the la liga clubs want in the first place.
And it's completely right.
I don't buy the idea that it is now or never for Coutinho. Barcelona will be back in for him next summer if he doesn't sign in this window without a doubt because who else can replace Iniesta? There are not many out there. Eriksen, Isco, maybe they could try and lure Thiago back.
All players listed are completely different type of players.
It's simple, even if he is performing well at the moment, the player has no assurances that an injury won't feck him up or that his level won't suddenly drop for whatever reason. A long term contract extension provides him a sense of security in terms of wages for the x number of years.
However, if there is an opportunity to play for a bigger club and earn more, the player will, at times, do everything he can to go there. His career is short so he'll do everything he can to get the best possible deals for himself.
We don't know that, as he could sustain a terrible injury or he could play terribly bad in this season for Barca to lose their interest. Coutinho only focuses on the current interest, what will happen in a few months is anybody's guess.
Personally I think Liverpool hold all the cards and if he signed an extension without a release clause then really there isn't much he can do. He'll eventually focus back on Liverpool and most of it will be forgiven if he plays well.
Your argument is very convincing.
Money, no one is paying a player the sort of money Coutinho earns on a two year contract. Either he signed or he continued earning the comparatively little money he was on.
The day that playing for Utd or for Liverpool was comparable was back in the 1980s.
I agree. Do people think a player can get tens of thousands of pounds pay rises by not signing extended contracts?
It's not even as if the player is promising to stay a further five years, it just helps protect the club and enables them to receive a decent transfer fee if the player wants to leave.
In my view, any player at any club should be allowed to leave if he so wishes - provided the club receives a decent fee. If Liverpool respect the player, £90m is more than fair to let him go.
A contract is a mutual agreement which is in place for the intrest's of both parties the player and the club not just the players.
Absolutely not, if they let him go the concequences for liverpool could be more than that of 90 m if one missed out on ucl spot.
Every contract has stipulations on how to break it. The issue is that these contracts don't clearly define how the player can get out of them. Release clauses are one imperfect way to remedy that.
The way I see it, this won't last much longer. Agents will start figuring out what the right clauses are to have in a contract. Release clauses, club specific release clauses, performance specific release clauses, depreciating release clauses....the possibilities are endless.
It doesn't make sense that the selling club makes up the number arbitrarily. That works for things you own, but when a player signs a contract, it is closer in nature to an employment contract, or a lease of services. Contracts like that usually have clear stipulations on the penalty involved in breaking them.
Under the current system, you're right. Liverpool can make up whatever number they want. My post was arguing that the current system is terrible.
Correct. It's not intended to give the club an unbreakable hold over a player, however. These 'won't be sold at any price' statements are poor from clubs, imho, if they value the player at all as a human.
Agreed. Players are closer to tradeable assets now than employees but that won't change unless someone regulates it. I'd be livid if the rules, fees, and penalties involved in me breaking a contract are made up on the fly, arbitrarily, rather than pre-agreed upon when the contract is signed.
It's also not intended for the players to get out of it when ever they want and put the clubs immidiate future in Jeopardy right before the season starts without adequate time and funds for the club to make plans and be secure without the player in contract.
You can not give all the power in the players hands without giving the clubs a chance to secure their future.
It's not all bad for Liverpool.
Coutinho signing a long term also strengthens the clubs negotiating hand more than the players. Barcelona will be rinsed and the bonuses will be money well spent if the deal goes through.
Coutinho signing a long term also strengthens the clubs negotiating hand more than the players. Barcelona will be rinsed and the bonuses will be money well spent if the deal goes through.
I am sorry but this makes no sense, they are not feeding him grass and beating him with a stick. He's getting well paid for the job he is doing which is also his passion. No human rights are violated here
Circumstances are sometimes less than fortuitous for clubs, I accept that. It's what happens sometimes when you're dealing with human-beings.
This has been going on for a couple of weeks, however. Let's be honest, Liverpool are going to spin this out as long as they can in order to extract as much money out of the deal as possible. They are becoming more complicit regarding the timing than the player.
You seem to be using increasing hyperbole, too, in describing the situation. This is not a consequences or jeopardising situation - it's just inconvenient.
The current system helps maintain the spanish bias and their status quo. Setting high release clauses that no one could buy it out is also one and the same thing with the hypocrisy involved.
I am sorry but this makes no sense, they are not feeding him grass and beating him with a stick. He's getting well paid for the job he is doing which is also his passion. No human rights are violated here
How does it make no sense? He also no longer wants to do it, hence respect his wishes if you also value him as a person and not a mere asset.
Let's not forget the £90m+ compensation either, which apparently Klopp finds so shocking as he can build something with little money.
That's why contracts protects the intrests without having to Deal with these frequent mood swings Which is nothing but giving the other clubs competitve advantage in competitons and harping on those successes to keep the cycle going.
That 90 m is of no use to the club if their future is jeopradized in the competitve environment.
You seem to only be seeing things out of concern over how dominant Spanish clubs currently are in football. This is about something more important than that.
It should apply to any player at any club. People should be entitled to choose where they live and work. Provided the club receives fair financial compensation they shouldn't be holding onto players against their wishes.
That's my personal opinion.
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