They have been chasing kieta during that period ,whose club did the same to him, may be liverpool would have negotiated with their future more secure than it is now. Every club wont like to loose money which could be used to buy other players.
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They have been chasing kieta during that period ,whose club did the same to him, may be liverpool would have negotiated with their future more secure than it is now. Every club wont like to loose money which could be used to buy other players.
No , it is not, Setting release clauses so high that no player and club can trigger that is also one and the same thing with the hypocrisy involved.
Fact is a fact, Spanish clubs are dominant because they use these mood swings of the player to collect all the cream and give them the competitve advantage which they can harp on and lay the ground work on more mood swings in the future to protect their status quo and keep the cycle continuing.
People and organizations use these arguments and methods to cheat the employer morally.
an organic grass fed Coutinho will cost moreI am sorry but this makes no sense, they are not feeding him grass and beating him with a stick. He's getting well paid for the job he is doing which is also his passion. No human rights are violated here
Only see this morning, missed all the fun.
I will make a wild guess and say that all threads on Coutinho are locked and nobody can say a word about it on RAWK?
I will make a wild guess and say that all threads on Coutinho are locked and nobody can say a word about it on RAWK?
Best of luck getting a club to agree to that.
If Coutinho wanted a release clause he was free to negotiate one when he renewed.
All those Liverpool legends not saying Coutinho should go on strike and force a move now? As the old saying goes, what's sauce for the goose...
If Coutinho stays, it will be interesting to see how he performs considering there are reports of friction between him and Klopp. Dislike between manager and player complicates things more than what a mere transfer request would.
If Coutinho stays, it will be interesting to see how he performs considering there are reports of friction between him and Klopp. Dislike between manager and player complicates things more than what a mere transfer request would.
Probably ballcocks. Castles is a dope
Wish our intended targets would have the balls to do this. Take the Peresic case as an example
That precedent was set when Suarez was sold to Barca.
And Suarez was a far better attacker than Coutinho. Suarez was a match winner and almost won the title for them - I can't say the same for Coutinho.
The other thing is that last season, whenever I saw LFC, Coutinho always seemed to be injured or recovering from injury.
In summary, I think they'll take the cash and replace him with a far inferior (budget) alternative.
I dont think so, Klopp is a difference between then and now.
The consistency is that you want the best for your team. That means buying the best players you can and keeping the best players you've got. Always acting in the interests of your club is consistent.
My point around hypocrisy is when fans decide to become moral arbiters about player behaviour. We expect loyalty from current players but not from players who we want.
Matic did this.
He basically did not want to play for CFC and the result was that he was asked to train by himself.
Though we seem to have the opposite problem. We offer huge money. We offer to pay the release clause and Griezmann basically tells us to get lost and that he Atletico Madrid.
You think he'll be sold and replaced by a top class player?
Ok, just from a player point of view. If I offer you to earn £40 million in five years or £16 million in two years. Which offer would you take?
You also must take into consideration any possible injury.
I think he'll not be sold this summer and until klopp gets his prefered target next year . I think he quit dortmund because he lost players all the time and he wont tolerate it there or he'll leave again.
Because they want to have the cake and eat it too?
Firstly, clubs won't agree to a 2 year deal. Or if they do, it will be on poor terms.
Secondly, imagine if Coutinho has a major injury, an achilles tendon rupture that puts him out for almost a year. He's spending half of that contract injured and is then spending the second year worrying about playing well enough for a new contract or a move.
No, with a 5 year contract, you get paid well, have security if you get injured and play crap. Then of course you throw toys out of the pram and have a strop when you don't immediately get what you want.
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Wayne Rooney never handed in even one formal request.
150m.
Barca board should be smart and sign no one over 100-120m. max. Keep the same squad and trust our own players. These players rumored to go for 150m. like Dembele and Coutinho are worth less than half that.
OK, I understand the market is inflated, but 150m. for the likes of Coutinho and Dembele who have yet to prove anything at the highest level is insanity.
Barca board should be smart and sign no one over 100-120m. max. Keep the same squad and trust our own players. These players rumored to go for 150m. like Dembele and Coutinho are worth less than half that.
OK, I understand the market is inflated, but 150m. for the likes of Coutinho and Dembele who have yet to prove anything at the highest level is insanity.
150m.
Barca board should be smart and sign no one over 100-120m. max. Keep the same squad and trust our own players. These players rumored to go for 150m. like Dembele and Coutinho are worth less than half that.
OK, I understand the market is inflated, but 150m. for the likes of Coutinho and Dembele who have yet to prove anything at the highest level is insanity.
Dembele would be worth it in the long run. He's the natural heir to Messi. Coutinho, not so much.
I know.
But Rooney refutes it. He did ask to leave. So it's a technicality.
That's why I purposefully said a 'formal' request.
He never went that far. Probably for his own financial reasons though. Loyalty bonuses and all.
It's very unfair of them to keep him against his will, especially at a small feeder club when he has a chance to join a big team. Very selfish of Liverpool.
Yep. I mean when has a player not got what he wants? Sign a five year deal, get paid well and then still leave if you want. No brainer.
Yup.
Nah you are talking shite.
Understandable I guess, fwiw as much as I can't stand your club and how they go about their business, I have to side with you lot on this one. Coutinho is playing a cnuts trick and in situations like this I always hope the club wins.
If a player wants to leave, that's one thing. But going about it like this is just pure nonsense and shouldn't be allowed. But sadly this will only end one way. At least your lot should take Barca to the cleaners.
Shite deal for Barce this. Lose Neymar and spend almost the entire budget on a guy not capable of lacing his boots.
Funny thing is if they offered £90m back in May Liverpool would have probably took it, nobody knew how fecked the market would get this summer.
Funny thing is if they offered £90m back in May Liverpool would have probably took it, nobody knew how fecked the market would get this summer.
Would gladly hold him to his contract. He will be 30 when it ends. Unlikely of course but it would be worth since he will be world class soon.
Hopefully it ends up like the De Gea situation rather than losing him now or next year. There is no way him leaving can be spun as a good thing. Imagine developing a guy for 4 years, dealing with his inconsistencies, his weaknesses and everything then lose him when he's ironed everything out.
Hopefully it ends up like the De Gea situation rather than losing him now or next year. There is no way him leaving can be spun as a good thing. Imagine developing a guy for 4 years, dealing with his inconsistencies, his weaknesses and everything then lose him when he's ironed everything out.
Please. Ronaldo played for you after agreeing with blatter that he was being treated as a slave.
#freecoutinho
Hoping that Liverpool stick to their guns. As hilarious as is to see the meltdown if Coutinho leaves, I am tired seeing the two Spanish clubs getting the best players and using every dirty trick to do so. I kind of enjoyed the Neymar saga just because for once the table was turned.
Because it was still bearable to wait, given he's playing for Man Utd under SAF and winning trophy after trophy.
Coutinho on the other hand is seemingly under a manager he has a strained relationship with and playing for a club that has never won the league nor anything in Europe at least since 2005.
Also, Ronaldo left the following year since the slave quote. I'd imagine coutinho leaves at best by then. Given his relationship with Klopp and limitations at Liverpool, he'd probably want to leave even sooner.
They will either sell him and weaken themselves massively or deny a lad his, in all probability, one shot at his dream move. Barca have told him it's now or never and will blow the Neymar money somewhere else and move on. Either way it's not going to end well for liverpool and it is amazing timing.
one tweet and now it is established gospel that he has a strained relationship with Klopp? Come off it.
I think he is likely to leave next year. From there to him not playing again because of what's been said is a fair stretch.
For average players it might not work but for world class talent, why not? It's not like the club has an abundance of choices to replace them and it's better to have them for two more years than to not have them at all.
It's from a decent enough source though. Same source that first broke news of the transfer request whilst Liverpool based journalists denied it.
Really I'm not be My point is a general one. It's that football fans are inherently hypocritical. However, for clubs to be successful they have to be consistent in their single minded pursuit of players while keeping their beat ones. That is a consistent approach - aiming for the best outcome for your club. All clubs act in their own interests, which is perfectly fine.
It's amoral. It's Hobbesian realpolitik in action. It's not 'shite'.
Coutinho has basically stuck two fingers up at every Liverpool fan. He won't play for the club again imo.
The guy is an idiot. You don't sign a long term contract and then have a hissy fit six months later when your club won't sell you.
I hope Liverpool either screw Barcelona in relation to the size of the transfer fee, or he spends a year rotting in the reserves.
A 2 year contract means players would be looking to move after 1 year or the club would lose out after 2 it would never happen.
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