Philippe Coutinho

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You mean like Soton are doing with Van Dijk? Like Leipzig did with Keita? Like United did with Ronaldo? Feck sake :wenger: You'd think a club trying to do everything they can to keep their best player is a bad thing if you read your post.

You can't keep players that want to leave and don't want to play for you. The point I was trying to make (and admittedly my words were horribly chosen) is Liverpool still think they are a massive club that no player should ever want to leave. They are not even in the top four most attractive clubs in the Premier League.

Coutinho has given Liverpool more than four years of great service. Of course he should want to join Barcelona now and test himself in a different league and playing for one of the few elite clubs in world football. They should let him go, for a fair price obviously.
 
"Selling club" is such a stupid and superficial label, especially when applied to a club of Liverpool's size.
 
If Barcelona or Real Madrid are interested in your player, you automatically become a selling club (except PSG now I guess). As if we were able to avoid CR's sale.

These clubs have the charm which attracts players. No other club does. I know, this is not news, but Pool are as much a selling club as United.

As long as you have ambition, players pushing for moves doesn't make you a selling club.

You might point out Pool's failures, but you can't question their ambition.
 
If Barcelona or Real Madrid are interested in your player, you automatically become a selling club (except PSG now I guess). As if we were able to avoid CR's sale.

These clubs have the charm which attracts players. No other club does. I know, this is not news, but Pool are as much a selling club as United.

As long as you have ambition, players pushing for moves doesn't make you a selling club.

You might point out Pool's failures, but you can't question their ambition.

Don't at all compare CRs sale to this one, United were a class above Madrid and competing for biggest honours during that time while Madrid were last 16 knock outs for 6 years, but Suarez and coutinho sale is a different ball game altogether.
 
You can't keep players that want to leave and don't want to play for you. The point I was trying to make (and admittedly my words were horribly chosen) is Liverpool still think they are a massive club that no player should ever want to leave. They are not even in the top four most attractive clubs in the Premier League.

Coutinho has given Liverpool more than four years of great service. Of course he should want to join Barcelona now and test himself in a different league and playing for one of the few elite clubs in world football. They should let him go, for a fair price obviously.

You can just ask levy.
 
I don't think klopp will sell him, if it reaches breaking point Liverpool should expect around 150 m plus for him.
 
Don't at all compare CRs sale to this one, United were a class above Madrid and competing for biggest honours during that time while Madrid were last 16 knock outs for 6 years, but Suarez and coutinho sale is a different ball game altogether.

You missed my point. Failure/Success and ambition are two completely different things.
Any club that has ambition in a top league and wants to hold its best players unless the players push for a move is not a selling club.
A forced sale is not the same as a selling club sale.
 
if Coutinho goes, Klopp will walk

I strongly doubt he would. Whilst I'm sure the Liverpool bosses know just how lucky they are to have Klopp and how much above the current level of the club he is, I think Klopp also appreciates what he has at Liverpool - there are very few clubs where he can command that level of salary, that amount of worship from the fans and the media but still be under absolutely zero pressure year in year out to achieve anything. It's a very sweet job and I'm sure Klopp realises that.

He might threaten to walk to get his way, but he hasn't got the balls to do it I don't think - he'd get another job almost instantly of course, but then he'd have to deliver and I'm not sure he would cope with that.

But I don't think Coutinho is going anywhere this season anyway, so it's probably irrelevant.
 
Klopp won't walk. He's the plucky underdog clown. He's an FSG yes man like Rodgers was.

Just look at his comments about transfers. He will work with what's he got.
 
This one looked as good as done yesterday.
Today, next to nothing.

Gotta love the transfer window!
 
Hopefully they move on to another target now. Surely they won't bid more than that?
 
Hopefully they move on to another target now. Surely they won't bid more than that?
I reckon they will bid third time around 110m and land him.

Thing is, Little Phil's head is turned now. There will only be one outcome!

Popcorn time.
 
Great negotiating by Barcelona. They know Coutinho's head is turned. They know Liverpool will reject the offer. They know/anticipate Coutinho will get even more unsettled now as a result of the rejected bid and his intervention will be the one which eventually gets this over the line.

Barcelona negotiating tactics 101. Has it ever failed them? I don't recall too many examples.
 
Seems fairly certain that we won't sell. Good.

Although it's pretty satisfying how much PSG have fecked over Barcelona. They've unexpectedly lost a huge player, with no contingency plan and clubs completely unwilling to sell due to the season beginning in every one of Europe's top leagues. Let them squirm.
 
Seems fairly certain that we won't sell. Good.

Although it's pretty satisfying how much PSG have fecked over Barcelona. They've unexpectedly lost a huge player, with no contingency plan and clubs completely unwilling to sell due to the season beginning in every one of Europe's top leagues. Let them squirm.

Bless you :lol:
 
Great negotiating by Barcelona. They know Coutinho's head is turned. They know Liverpool will reject the offer. They know/anticipate Coutinho will get even more unsettled now as a result of the rejected bid and his intervention will be the one which eventually gets this over the line.

Barcelona negotiating tactics 101. Has it ever failed them? I don't recall too many examples.

It failed with Bellerin and Verratti earlier this summer.
 
I reckon they will bid third time around 110m and land him.

Thing is, Little Phil's head is turned now. There will only be one outcome!

Popcorn time.
I don't think we'll sell this window even if he wants the move.

He'll be off next summer though.
 
Seems fairly certain that we won't sell. Good.

Although it's pretty satisfying how much PSG have fecked over Barcelona. They've unexpectedly lost a huge player, with no contingency plan and clubs completely unwilling to sell due to the season beginning in every one of Europe's top leagues. Let them squirm.
Haven't you heard? We agreed to sell yesterday.
 
The trouble is that Liverpool know Barca are loaded now, so can technically ask for as much as they want. I think Barca will be taken to the cleaners even if Coutinho makes a fuss.
 
If Barcelona or Real Madrid are interested in your player, you automatically become a selling club (except PSG now I guess). As if we were able to avoid CR's sale.

These clubs have the charm which attracts players. No other club does. I know, this is not news, but Pool are as much a selling club as United.

As long as you have ambition, players pushing for moves doesn't make you a selling club.

You might point out Pool's failures, but you can't question their ambition.
What was the last time Barcelona bought a player off a fellow big club who wanted to keep said player? By big club I mean one that can pay similar wages and offers an equal chance of competing for trophies which automatically eliminates the likes of Liverpool. This so called pull of Barcelona and Real is a myth that got hyped by our fans because of what happened with Cristiano Ronaldo for some reason. The fact is if you are a big club, you do not lose players you want to keep. Even City and Chelsea have not lost anyone they wanted to keep recently. How many documented interests in the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Ashley Cole, Keane, Scholes or even Valencia for goodness sake from those two clubs came to nothing? In fact over the past couple of decades the only examples of such transfers; as in one big club getting a player off of another despite the latter wanting to keep them and being on a similar level financially and quality wise is Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo and now Neymar. That makes those transfers exceptional and not indicative of any so called pull that one or two clubs have over the rest. If Barcelona get Coutinho, it would be no different to us getting Van Persie; a simple case of one club being higher on the food chain in terms of wages and chances to win trophies. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
What was the last time Barcelona bought a player off a fellow big club who wanted to keep said player? By big club I mean one that can pay similar wages and offers an equal chance of competing for trophies which automatically eliminates the likes of Liverpool. This so called pull of Barcelona and Real is a myth that got hyped by our fans because of what happened with Cristiano Ronaldo for some reason. The fact is if you are a big club, you do not lose players you want to keep. Even City and Chelsea have not lost anyone they wanted to keep recently. How many documented interests in the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Ashley Cole, Keane, Scholes or even Valencia for goodness sake from those two clubs came to nothing? In fact over the past couple of decades the only examples of such transfers; as in one big club getting a player off of another despite the latter wanting to keep them and being on a similar level financially and quality wise is Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo and now Neymar. That makes those transfers exceptional and not indicative of any so called pull that one or two clubs have over the rest.

English, English, English, Irish, English.
 
Interesting. Surprised they turned that down. Would of made him the second most expensive player after Neymar.
 
English, English, English, Irish, English.
So are we moving the goalposts now? Real Madrid and Barcelona can get whoever they want as long as they are or not of X nationality? Again as I said, who apart from Figo and Ronaldo (the first one could be argued to play for a Barcelona team that was inferior to Real's at the time) was bought by those two from a club that could offer the same wages and trophies pedigree? Admittedly Real pulled it off twice in recent memory which sets them relatively apart but it is nowhere near the myth that the Spanish clubs can just get whoever they please.
 
Following several posters having to change their knickers yesterday afternoon, I presumed this deal was done and dusted.
 
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