Yeah he looked absolutely gutted when he went out of his way to make a post match interview about what an important win it was. What a load of shite.
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You don't think he looked subdued?
He was being respectful, ffs. When Mata scored he did a double fist pump when the ball went in, and like the other person said, he went out of his way to do the post-match interview with Des Kelly afterwards.
Maybe he was slightly emotional but your post was way over the top, insinuating he was upset Juve had lost which is just nonsense.
I don't think the way the camera slowly zoomed in to him helped. Just needed some sad orchestral music behind to look like the end of a movie.
Nah, I think he was just being respectful and also knew it was a bit of a snatch and grab.
He was abysmal yesterday. I kind of predicted that. Too much emotions and he was probably nervous as shit to show that he is a better player than when he left. Well, did not exactly succeed in it. I do believe in his quality and he is very important for us.
The point is he flops in most of the big crunch games or have some bursts of few minutes, not that he is not good enough in other games.
Played Madrid , he didn't do much, played Tottenham dembele gets the better of him, mix performances vs chelsea, wasn't stand out performer against Liverpool, played just one top notch one half vs city which was his best ever at united but subpar other than that, and now juventus in two legs he dint stand out, wasn't good enough vs arsenal at home as well. That's too much inconsistency for a team where targets are to win top honours.
He was terrible for the most part but hey, in the end, he won the free kick smartly which helped us do the comeback.
Still our best player this season for me. Followed closely by Martial and Shaw.
I think inside it really frustrates him that we rarely ever get a foothold in these type of games and that affects his performance. It's an understandable frustration to be fair. Need to improve as a team and maybe come Jan buying a Centre Back might help in that regard.
Still our best player this season for me. Followed closely by Martial and Shaw.
I think inside it really frustrates him that we rarely ever get a foothold in these type of games and that affects his performance. It's an understandable frustration to be fair. Need to improve as a team and maybe come Jan buying a Centre Back might help in that regard.
Go back and rewatch our games versus the top 6 last season, He scored and assisted in a large portion of them. In fact, he was the major reason our results versus the top 6 was quite good. He has more big game performances than anyone bar David in our current team.
But yes he was terrible yesterday. Least he won the free kick intelligently for Mata to score.
I seem to remember him playing very well against Arsenal at one point, and there have been other big games where he has been good that I think you are forgetting. You also have to take into account Jose's approach to most big games is to defend first, which does not suit Pogba. Can you think of any of our players that has been consistently good in big games of late? It's harsh to judge Pogba by some lofty standard above all of our other players.
When the second goal went in, Pogba looked almost sad and jogged so slowly towards team mates. I am guessing he was trying not to celebrate in front of Juve fans out of respect, but he should practice his non-celebrations a bit more.
Wow!! That is a top notch excuse. He goes missing in big games (I felt he got better last season, in terms of big match performance, but alas). Because he tries to make a point and overdoes things. He gets too pumped up I guess.
Arsenal away last season? Spurs in the FA Cup? Chelsea away this season? Even the Arsenal home match, the whole team was average but didn't Pogba score the opening goal?
He's inconsistent in the big games like the whole team, surely that suggests that maybe the problem runs a little bit deeper? It's the same way that poster was saying he only plays well in the second half, again, that seems to be an issue with the whole team, at least when we do finally decide to play a bit of football Pogba is central to that. A lot of the issues people have with Pogba (not you necessarily) are personal, it's pretty obvious.
I slate Pogba plenty on here but there's nothing wrong with him respecting his former club.
I'd much rather that than he run off and get his abs out anyway.
I'd much rather that than he run off and get his abs out anyway.
Looks like the occasion got to him. Hope it's just a blip and he's back to his best for the derby.
Now you're moving the goalposts. You started talking about discipline, not control of games. It's generally rare that a player controls a match for 90 minutes in games between top teams, unless one team is getting utterly outplayed and we as a team are not capable of doing that at the moment. Pogba has had some top performances against the big teams, they seem to be far too easily forgotten around here.
Respectfully disagree.
You've made more posts on this poor performance than you have in the last month. If your saying his level of performance last night is par for the course for the season then I'd say your a liar. There's a reason his thread is busier today than it has been for months
Have you been watching this season? Along with Shaw he has been our most consistent performer.
Hardly a world class player is he.. world class in games where his team attacks on counters against a jaded team, a liability in games where the other team is best. Not a defensive bone in his entire body.
Looks sad of winning a game against his beloved juve
Criticism of him was expected and over the top after Wednesday, he's not allowed off games now ? Only great games, which must be over both halves even if the team as a whole plays better in the second half than the first ? Plenty of players have great games for what they have produced overall without being great in every minute of it.
He's so highly scrutinised. In order for people to move on though he needs to produce more in big games. I agree on that. He needs performances like the Chelsea second half, City second half and Arsenal, Spurs semi last season. There's plenty of evidence he's getting the consistency now. But no matter who you are your performance will mirror the teams performance to a degree. When we won 5-3 at Spurs and we're 3-0 down at halftime, that was a great comeback and a great team performance but no one could say they had a good first half.
He's so highly scrutinised. In order for people to move on though he needs to produce more in big games. I agree on that. He needs performances like the Chelsea second half, City second half and Arsenal, Spurs semi last season. There's plenty of evidence he's getting the consistency now. But no matter who you are your performance will mirror the teams performance to a degree. When we won 5-3 at Spurs and we're 3-0 down at halftime, that was a great comeback and a great team performance but no one could say they had a good first half.
Scored in a WC final but he isn't a big game player 
Bullied KDB and Dembele in a WC semi final but he isn't a big game player
Scored in a EL final but he isn't a big game player
And he did that against Germany in 2016
But yeah he isn't a big game player
He had more big games performances than your favorite player
Bullied KDB and Dembele in a WC semi final but he isn't a big game player
Scored in a EL final but he isn't a big game player
And he did that against Germany in 2016
But yeah he isn't a big game player
He had more big games performances than your favorite player
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Sky reporting he’s a doubt for Sunday after missing training . No mention of this from Mourinho though was there
. No mention of this from Mourinho though was thereMy biggest problem with Pogba is when we don't have possession. As soon as we lose the ball he seems to go AWOL.
I watched his defensive display closely against Juve and for a midfielder his workrate was poor often leaving us defensively exposed. I think Sanchez helped out more than he did!
When Juve had the ball their midfield ran past him time and time again. His response was just to casually trot back into postion without any urgency, often leaving us outnumbered. He left Shaw in particular exposed 2 on 1 a number of times.
For me Pogba is a very talented player when we have possession but his unwillingness to put the hard yards in when we / he loses the ball really frustrates me.
I watched his defensive display closely against Juve and for a midfielder his workrate was poor often leaving us defensively exposed. I think Sanchez helped out more than he did!
When Juve had the ball their midfield ran past him time and time again. His response was just to casually trot back into postion without any urgency, often leaving us outnumbered. He left Shaw in particular exposed 2 on 1 a number of times.
For me Pogba is a very talented player when we have possession but his unwillingness to put the hard yards in when we / he loses the ball really frustrates me.
Everyone seems to have an issue with Pogba, whether it is facial expression or his this or that. He just cant do much right it seems. Fact is, he is by far our best player, immense quality but we will appreciate him only once he‘s gone it seems
Lol. Just come out with it mate. You WANT to look for anything you can to beat him with
Sadly you are right and the vultures are always circling when it comes to Pogba. He hasn't been consistent enough but I think that's a reflection of the team and most of our 'big' players. I'd including Jose in that too. What we have seen is moments of absolute world class brilliance this season and like the team need to try and deliver good performances over 90 and not 45mins.
In the context of the game, I thought he did his job on Wednesday.
It's not that everyone has it in for Pogba, but he doesn't focus on the task at hand, as talented as he is, he's a liabilty, look at the amount of opportunites this season alone, he has afforded the oppostion, just by not doing the basics and prancing around [all players will make mistakes].
Pogba is not world class, world class is a title given to players who perform consistently, over a period of years, Pogba can not even perform consistently over a month, a world class player has a player rating of 8 consistently, and every so often a 6, maybe even a 5, in Pogba's case he averages a 6 and occassionally an 8.
Frank Lampard is a player i would consistute as world class, do the basics well, but truly excel at what you are talented at.
Which is weird because he had no problem playing without the ball with France during the world cup, he was even surprisingly good.
Scored in a WC final but he isn't a big game player
Bullied KDB and Dembele in a WC semi final but he isn't a big game player
Scored in a EL final but he isn't a big game player
And he did that against Germany in 2016
But yeah he isn't a big game player
He had more big games performances than your favorite player
Whilst the criticism he is getting is over the top its telling that most of the big games you mentioned are for france rather than for us.
I think we can all agree that hes had good performances in big games and some poor ones but for us hes been more miss than hit in big games.
For me its not that he has bad games its that his bad games are Rooney esque sunday league standard.
See his games vs Madrid in the Champions League final,vs Southampton in the League Cup and vs Liverpool two years ago.
People saying Pogba is not world class should take a chill pill really, he came on a world class fee ffs, at least he had three solid seasons at Juve reaching UCL semis and finals at his last years there before coming back to play for us, and more over he has a World Cup winners medal in his coffers not that he was anonymous in the squad that marauded every other team on their way to the world championship but playing a commanding role in that team even scoring in the finals.
People should at least cut him some slack. He left to join us in our not so great times instead of Madrid which were by far every player's dream club: trophies and a chance at world player of the year ffs.
Our team is in dire need of quality players like him and I am not sure you could find many midfielders like him today with all the package he brings to the table.
People should at least cut him some slack. He left to join us in our not so great times instead of Madrid which were by far every player's dream club: trophies and a chance at world player of the year ffs.
Our team is in dire need of quality players like him and I am not sure you could find many midfielders like him today with all the package he brings to the table.
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complete and utter nonsense.
Is Pogba available tomorrow? It would be good to have him.
Apparently, he isn't at the team hotel. Make of that what you will.
Surely at this stage, this doesn't mean anything anymore. We payed 55m for Fred who looks raw as all hell and nothing like the value that the fee shows.
I'm not generally a big Pogba fan (he's too full of himself / over-confident and doesn't perform seriously against the lesser sides + he tried to sign for city!!).
However, he always seems to turn it on against the top sides - all the lazyness goes, he gets his head up and makes strategic passed, dribbles and runs. IMO he peforms best in moments of adversity, such as tomorrow, so I seriously hope he's fit and able.
However, he always seems to turn it on against the top sides - all the lazyness goes, he gets his head up and makes strategic passed, dribbles and runs. IMO he peforms best in moments of adversity, such as tomorrow, so I seriously hope he's fit and able.
No Pogba tomorrow = no chance
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