[Eddy_JukeZ]

He was really bad.

Hopefully a complete 1-off, because I think he's been fairly consistent and good this season.

But he was terrible today. Was driving me nuts watching him.

 

[Patrick08]

Fergie would have fell out with him as well. Poor work rate and discipline is baffling. He was lucky kante and matuidi was along side him in the world cup.

 

[sebsheep]

Fergie would have fell out with him as well. Poor work rate and discipline is baffling. He was lucky kante and matuidi was along side him in the World Cup.

He was poor last night, but let's not re-write history.

 

[Jeppers7]

It's funny seeing Ronaldo celebrate Juve goal against us, and seeing Pogba not celebrate when we scored the winner.

Remember when Ronaldo didn't ? When he scored for Real Madrid. When he played for us and scored against sporting and almost apologised ?

Funny that

 

[Patrick08]

He was poor last night, but let's not re-write history.

90% of the games he is poor without the ball against top sides.

 

[sebsheep]

90% of the games he is poor without the ball against top sides.

Now we're switching to hyperbole?
He was praised a lot at the world cup for his discipline and was equally (if not more) important that kante and matuidi for that french team.

 

[rotherham_red]

It's funny seeing Ronaldo celebrate Juve goal against us, and seeing Pogba not celebrate when we scored the winner.

Considering Ronaldo scored against us home and away for Real and didn't celebrate should tell you that's bollocks. Or against Sporting at their ground when he played for us.

Many of Pogba's friends and former teammates are still at the club. He wasn't going to be a cnut. Rio summed it up before the game just how emotionally draining it is to play at former clubs, and you can tell Pogba still cares deeply about them, and the result was a bad performance. It happens. The fact we won despite it is absolutely massive, and let's hope we can get him back up to par and get the win on Sunday.

 

[11101]

He's been brilliant recently but i think it was all a bit too much for him last night. He was trying too hard to impress and the Juventus players always knew exactly what he was trying to do.

 

[Ainu]

I thought he was atrocious. Not just the (lack of) quality but his attitude even more so. On a couple of occasions, he just casually gave the ball away leading to a potentially very dangerous counter. It's not acceptable. He has previous and doesn't seem to learn from it, that's the worst part. I wouldn't be surprised if he did it again vs City and casually gifts them a goal that way.

 

[Pass and Move]

He certainly had a poor game, but even then at times before we scored he was the only one making runs when the rest of the team were static, and he was never afraid to show for the ball. A few occasions saw him with the ball 10 yards outside the Juve box, and he was forced to lay the ball off and make a forward run himself as everyone else was static.

If Pogba has the ball in that position then Sanchez, Martial, Shaw, Lingard etc should all be looking to make forward and sideways movements but often don't. You used to see Zlatan move the second Pogba had the ball in that area and it created numerous chances over the top.

So yeah, a bad performance, but still showed the character and footballing understanding we need.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Very poor again. My patience has almost run out with him, to be honest. It's just simply not good enough when you consider the stature of the player. Losing the ball in dangerous positions, putting the whole team under pressure just so he can partake in a moment of pure self-indulgence, then have the fecking audacity to moan to his teammates when something he tries does't come off. He created no chances last night, lost possession more than any other player and had one shot on target.

He's the very definition of a "moments" player, and sometimes those moments don't make up for what has come before. I've defended him a few times on this forum, but he's starting to wear a bit thin.

 

[Patrick08]

Now we're switching to hyperbole?

Yeah he was good positionally in the world cup, and they were a good unit, but he wasnt inactive control on the midfield even then while most of the world cup teams weren't that good enough to start with. I'd say he was in passive control( damage limiting mode without the ball). He has never dictated play against top sides for 90 mins or rarely has done so specially at united, That's what my point is. He doesnt get the basis right. And partly we can blame mourinho for that as well, but even without him I feel hed be inconsistent under any other manager as well, unless he matures of age and puts his focus on doing the basics right.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Very poor again. My patience has almost run out with him, to be honest. It's just simply not good enough when you consider the stature of the player. Losing the ball in dangerous positions, putting the whole team under pressure just so he can partake in a moment of pure self-indulgence, then have the fecking audacity to moan to his teammates when something he tries does't come off. He created no chances last night, lost possession more than any other player and had one shot on target.

He's the very definition of a "moments" player, and sometimes those moments don't make up for what has come before. I've defended him a few times on this forum, but he's starting to wear a bit thin.

Can you think of any other supposedly world class player who is the main man at a big club that regularly puts in performances that actively hinder his team? I can’t. Not now. Not ever.

 

[Patrick08]

Can you think of any other supposedly world class player who is the main man at a big club that regularly puts in performances that actively hinder his team? I can’t. Not now. Not ever.

Ozil?

 

[Rajma]

He's been crap today but what's the hostility all about in this thread when he's actually carrying our team this season? Never seen anything like it.

 

[Patrick08]

He's been crap today but what's the hostility all about in this thread when he's actually carrying our team this season? Never seen anything like it.

Things are mostly like that when ever we face a top team, so we wonder weather we will become a top team with him as a central cog.

 

[OL29]

Can you think of any other supposedly world class player who is the main man at a big club that regularly puts in performances that actively hinder his team? I can’t. Not now. Not ever.

Your dislike of Pogba is so OTT, he's been mostly good this season. If you think he's a hindrance just watch our performances without him.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Can you think of any other supposedly world class player who is the main man at a big club that regularly puts in performances that actively hinder his team? I can’t. Not now. Not ever.

I can't think of anyone off the top of my head. Somebody said Ozil for Arsenal which is a decent shout. Rooney for the last 5 years or so was massive hindrance to us, but it would be incredibly churlish to put him in this category.

Again, some of the "moments" are exceptional and help us win games, but you expect so much more from him. Performances like last night, in games of that stature, are not an anomaly for him. He has way too many games like that. I know people in this thread are lamenting the fact that some people dare to criticise him, but it just comes from expectation really. And the vast majority of my anger stems from the fact that most of the shite he does on the pitch can be avoided if he was just a little more mature in how he used the ball.

 

[BusbyMalone]

He's been crap today but what's the hostility all about in this thread when he's actually carrying our team this season? Never seen anything like it.

I can only give my opinion on this, but it's not hostility from me. It's pure frustration. I know how good he can be, and he has had some great moments this season, but some of the things he does is simply not good enough and he shouldn't escape criticism when he continually does it.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I can only give my opinion on this, but it's not hostility from me. It's pure frustration. I know how good he can be, and he has had some great moments this season, but some of the things he does is simply not good enough and he shouldn't escape criticism when he continually does it.

While simple criticism is fair, people go too far.

They clearly DISLIKE Pogba for his personality, maybe for more who knows. They have a vendetta against him and can't wait to get the knives out.

While he's not perfect he's still our most talented player, and without him we'd be much worse off. Some fans just can't accept that.

 

[BusbyMalone]

While simple criticism is fair, people go too far.

They clearly DISLIKE Pogba for his personality, maybe for more who knows. They have a vendetta against him and can't wait to get the knives out.

While he's not perfect he's still our most talented player, and without him we'd be much worse off. Some fans just can't accept that.

No doubt about that. Just wanted to say that's not where i'm coming from with it. What he does off the pitch doesn't interest me in the slightest. He also comes across as a really nice bloke. It's just pure frustration from my end. And even with all my criticism and frustrations with him, i would still start him (as contradictory as that sounds) because those moments can be game changing. I just don't think that's quite good enough from a player of his stature.

 

[Adam-Utd]

No doubt about that. Just wanted to say that's not where i'm coming from with it. What he does off the pitch doesn't interest me in the slightest. He also comes across as a really nice bloke. It's just pure frustration from my end. And even with all my criticism and frustrations with him, i would still start him (as contradictory as that sounds) because those moments can be game changing. I just don't think that's quite good enough from a player of his stature.

Think the issue is with the way he plays, when he's having a bad game it looks a very bad game. His close control just wasn't with him last night which he relies upon a lot.

He just needs to learn to re adapt when things aren't going his way. Start moving the ball fast and relying upon basic techniques, but that isn't natural for him.

Anyway i'm a huge Pogba fan but I can agree he was average last night, that's fine.

 

[OL29]

While simple criticism is fair, people go too far.

They clearly DISLIKE Pogba for his personality, maybe for more who knows. They have a vendetta against him and can't wait to get the knives out.

While he's not perfect he's still our most talented player, and without him we'd be much worse off. Some fans just can't accept that.

This sums it up really and what makes me laugh is that these posters are nowhere to be seen when he plays well but as soon as he has a poor performance they find their voice. The agendas are so transparent.

 

[Shinjch]

Can you think of any other supposedly world class player who is the main man at a big club that regularly puts in performances that actively hinder his team? I can’t. Not now. Not ever.

Sergio Ramos?

 

[Canagel]

Juve didn’t give him an inch today. They had come with a plan to always have two players just behind him at all times till the ball moved to right and he no longer was an active option. Sometimes it’s not just our players that play shit, it’s also that we were against one of the best teams in the world with many tactically well drilled players.

Indeed. Sometimes you have to look at it from that perspective. Like when Herrera marked Hazard out of the game or many other instances where a player has a quiet game.

 

[Andycoleno9]

People are going too far with him. He is very very good this year. But when he plays one bad half or a game he becomes shit, "average player", "get back to Juve" and things like that.
He is one of the best midfielders in the world. He has bad moments in game but he is still world class player. We must keep him at all cost.

 

[VeevaVee]

So this and that, means 2 out of how many appearances? Massive extremes? Come on, hot and cold means he disappears every game but his form at the moment suggests otherwise.

Be fair to him, he performed well most of the time and not this mythical hot and cold like you want us to believe.

It's nice to see the team can perform well despite his shortcomings, and we can be less reliant on Pogba alone.

I'm not interested in making you believe something. I give him credit when it's due all the time. I like Pogba, so I find it odd people try and make out others don't want to be fair to him because they give him some criticism. I'm not going to avoid reality like some.

It's more than those two.
And it's huge extremes from being hopeless, misplacing simple passes under no pressure and dilly dallying, to carrying the team, leading from the front, and being creative, yes.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Ozil?

Good call.

 

[Sylar]

Think overall, hes done well this season. Wasnt his best game yesterday, but all this talk about selling him is funny. I do think replacing him would be a tough proposition just because when we play at our best, its with tempo, and thats where hes at his best. Its the slower approach which doesnt suit him imo.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm not interested in making you believe something. I give him credit when it's due all the time. I like Pogba, so I find it odd people try and make out others don't want to be fair to him because they give him some criticism. I'm not going to avoid reality like some.

It's more than those two.
And it's huge extremes from being hopeless, misplacing simple passes under no pressure and dilly dallying, to carrying the team, leading from the front, and being creative, yes.

Recently we’re seeing those two extremes within each appearance he makes i.e. the first and second half of the last few matches.

 

[Jeppers7]

Recently we’re seeing those two extremes within each appearance he makes i.e. the first and second half of the last few matches.

Been quiet on this thread for a fair few weeks ? Has your internet been down or is that the biggest indicator of Pogba's recent performances being good ?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Been quiet on this thread for a fair few weeks ? Has your internet been down or is that the biggest indicator of Pogba's recent performances being good ?

No and no.

Did you read my comment? Last night was no different to previous weeks. Good after half time, shit before half time. Probably left it a little later to get his thumb out. Not by much though.

 

[Canagel]

I'm not interested in making you believe something. I give him credit when it's due all the time. I like Pogba, so I find it odd people try and make out others don't want to be fair to him because they give him some criticism.

Anyway it's more than those two. It's huge extremes from being hopeless, misplacing simple passes under no pressure and dilly dallying, to carrying the team, leading from the front, and being creative.

The extreme is when you have 9/10 games of being hopeless like Lukaku was not Pogba who was consistent 7/8/9 out of 10 in all of
the games.
Criticism is absolutely fair but it's the agendas that I can't take.
His workrate has been very high and he's been productive.

 

[VeevaVee]

The extreme is when you have 9/10 games of being hopeless like Lukaku was not Pogba who was consistent 7/8/9 out of 10 in all of
the games.
Criticism is absolutely fair but it's the agendas that I can't take.
His workrate has been very high and he's been productive.

And here comes the agenda agendas because it doesn't align with your exact thoughts.

Lukaku is consistently poor. Pogba is inconsistent. I'm talking about performances, not workrate.

There's a consistency with seeing any criticism and calling agenda in here, funnily enough.

Strange how blind or ignorant your lot always are of all the positive comments in the past when this line gets towed because you'd rather paint your own narrative and cry agenda.

 

[Dec9003]

The extreme is when you have 9/10 games of being hopeless like Lukaku was not Pogba who was consistent 7/8/9 out of 10 in all of
the games.
Criticism is absolutely fair but it's the agendas that I can't take.
His workrate has been very high and he's been productive.

Aren't you the one who has been saying all the better sides in the premier league could beat Juventus at their ground?

 

[VeevaVee]

Recently we’re seeing those two extremes within each appearance he makes i.e. the first and second half of the last few matches.

Yeah. This thread is going much the way another one did in terms of being out of touch with reality and attacking anyone who is

 

[Canagel]

And here comes the agenda agendas because it doesn't align with your exact thoughts.

Lukaku is consistently poor. Pogba is inconsistent. I'm talking about performances, not workrate.

There's a consistency with seeing any criticism and calling agenda in here, funnily enough.

Strange how blind or ignorant your lot always are of all the positive comments in the past when this line gets towed because you'd rather paint your own narrative and cry agenda.

Strange how quiet you are when he had consistently good games. Perhaps you was waiting for this off game. I can't really help you then.

 

[VeevaVee]

Strange how quiet you are when he had consistently good games. Perhaps you was waiting for this off game. I can't really help you then.

You're really desperate to paint a narrative aren't you? Why? It's actually strange.

Anyway, here you go, just from this season..

Good game. As someone else said in another thread - took it by the scruff of the neck and actually played like it mattered.

Fantastic for most of the game, I thought. Still needs to work on things. Anything that affects decision making and releasing the ball at the right time, but I'd take that performance week in week out no problem.

Great game. Leading the charge today. Really hope we can see more of it this season.

I'll wait for the apology.

 

[Canagel]

Aren't you the one who has been saying all the better sides in the Premier League could beat Juventus at their ground?

I said they could turn them over in two games and?

 

[jderbyshire]

He looked distraught at the final whistle seeing his beloved Juventus lose.

Contrast with the usual smiling Pogba, hugging and high-fiving his opponents after we get turned over.