On the Sanchez Mercenary Scale I would say Kane is a 1 out of 10
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He isn’t leaving.
None of those players will get Pogba money anywhere, not even if they came here. They're all being paid what they're worth at this moment. As for Salah he's been at Pool for one season so let's wait and see if they can keep him if he replicates his last season form. Only player on that list I'd say has shown a lot of loyalty to his club after really being tested is Griezmann. I sincerely doubt the rest of those guys will turn down Madrid, Barca etc if they really come for them to remain at frigging Spurs/Liverpool.
Godin (turned down City in 2015) Saul, Koke, Slippy G to name but a few. Scholes and Keane could have gone to Serie A and earned more in the late 90s/early 00s. Pretty much anybody at Spurs who hasn’t pushed for a move in the past few years, as they’d walk into practically every Premier League team and be paid significantly more too.
Even Toby Alderweireld doesn’t fall into that category; he’s been the best defender in the league for the past 4 seasons, but is now 29 and has ‘only’ earned £50k a week at Spurs, which is ultimately a huge compromise on his true value considering Lingard gets twice that at United - his next contract is going to be the one that defines his wealth for the rest of his life, and he’s fully within his rights to charge a premium rate for his elite services moving forward.
If Pogba wasn’t a mercenary, he wouldn’t have come back to United in the first place - he was playing for a huge, successful club that was reaching Champions League finals, yet left them to be the chief clown in Woodward’s commerce-centric circus, without Champions League football.
His generally half-arsed, Veron-esque performances are indicative of an egomaniac who’s just passing through, and his fat controller has clearly been pimping him out since January - even to City - as was likely always the plan from the start.
Neither Real nor Barca wanted/needed him in 2016, and City saw him as vastly overpriced, so Woodward’s wet #Pogback dream became viable, providing silly Ed was willing to bung Raiola, sign a geriatric Zlatan on a huge contract/signing on fee and also force Jose to begrudgingly accept Mkhitaryan too, despite it being glaringly obvious he was never a Mourinho player.
People will blame Mourinho for PP’s ultimately underwhelming second spell at the club, but his dedicated, intensely disciplined performances for France in the exact same role Jose asks of him (to no avail) show what his true priorities are, and have always been.
Great post.
Agreed. But he should still be our best outfield player :*(
I won't call any player a mercenary. It's just every agent wants what's best for their client and for themselves. And we have not been pulling up any trees for the last couple of seasons. So it is understandable that Pogba wants out. I mean he left guaranteed league and domestic cup titles in italy and a deep run in the champions league to come to united. Now there is a fair reason to be made that it was partly because he was offered more money, but he still came.
Now do I think that he will leave this summer? Of course not. I don't think that our club is that stupid to accept a bid when the season starts in 2 days. But I do think that these rumours will persist until we show that we are still the the top dogs of england on the pitch.
When we make a case for utmost loyalty to the club, we always talk about scholes, giggs and gnev. But you should remember that for the vast majority of their time at the club, we were the most dominant force in the league and we were competitive in the champions league as well(due to their efforts and SAF). But suppose if we had not been competitive, would they have shown the same loyalty to the club? Hypothetical I know, but an interesting thought to discuss nevertheless. Even if you say that they would have never left, then we can only consider them as outliers and not expect every player to show the same loyalty as they did. And certainly not in this age where players wan t to be more than just stars and they care about their brand, the celeb life.
I hope it works out as when he is on it, he is the best midfielder by far in the league, in the world even. And also because I just bought his jersey
.This is so accurate.
Thank you
Give over ffs.I won't call any player a mercenary. It's just every agent wants what's best for their client and for themselves. And we have not been pulling up any trees for the last couple of seasons. So it is understandable that Pogba wants out. I mean he left guaranteed league and domestic cup titles in italy and a deep run in the champions league to come to united. Now there is a fair reason to be made that it was partly because he was offered more money, but he still came.
Now do I think that he will leave this summer? Of course not. I don't think that our club is that stupid to accept a bid when the season starts in 2 days. But I do think that these rumours will persist until we show that we are still the the top dogs of england on the pitch.
When we make a case for utmost loyalty to the club, we always talk about scholes, giggs and gnev. But you should remember that for the vast majority of their time at the club, we were the most dominant force in the league and we were competitive in the champions league as well(due to their efforts and SAF). But suppose if we had not been competitive, would they have shown the same loyalty to the club? Hypothetical I know, but an interesting thought to discuss nevertheless. Even if you say that they would have never left, then we can only consider them as outliers and not expect every player to show the same loyalty as they did. And certainly not in this age where players wan t to be more than just stars and they care about their brand, the celeb life.
I hope it works out as when he is on it, he is the best midfielder by far in the league, in the world even. And also because I just bought his jersey
This is a huge season for him.
He needs to deliver. After the world cup, there are no more excuses.
He needs to deliver. After the world cup, there are no more excuses.
it's all about a new contract folks, calm down!!
He's not going anywhere this summer but maybe I'm reading too much into things or what I see on social media and in the past I noticed he was always partying with Lukaku in LA but this summer I saw a lot of him with Umtiti and obviously there's the Adibal meeting. No doubt Barca are up to their usual planting of the seeds and tapping up. Starts with the players and then the media campaigns etc; I think he knows himself he can't leave now due to the size of the contract, the expectation of him delivering for us and the window is nearly closed.
I'd like to think he's here for the long haul but I am a realist. Unfortunately it's a link that won't go away due to the way Barca act and who is agent is. I just hope he is at least deadly serious and passionate about United at least this season and can start playing consistently to what his talent level is and worst case scenario we have to fork out extra wages for him or we get a world record fee for him and best case scenario is that he enjoys his football here and we turn a corner.
I'd like to think he's here for the long haul but I am a realist. Unfortunately it's a link that won't go away due to the way Barca act and who is agent is. I just hope he is at least deadly serious and passionate about United at least this season and can start playing consistently to what his talent level is and worst case scenario we have to fork out extra wages for him or we get a world record fee for him and best case scenario is that he enjoys his football here and we turn a corner.
This.
If he wants to leave I'd be all for it, especially if we could get SMS. What's the point having such a big personality at the club who isn't fully committed, it would be detrimental to our season. Very hard to see how such a transfer can happen at this late stage though, I reckon he will be off next season.
Got to say, it’s pretty funny how seriously people are taking these Pogba rumours.
He’s going nowhere this late in the window. Maybe he wants out, maybe not, but if any club were truly serious they’d have been pressing us on this the moment he lifted the World Cup trophy.
People attacking him for playing better for France than us... Just look at his midfield partners. Also, before the final people were saying he’d had a quiet tournament. They were wrong but let’s not go over the top now.
He’s going nowhere this late in the window. Maybe he wants out, maybe not, but if any club were truly serious they’d have been pressing us on this the moment he lifted the World Cup trophy.
People attacking him for playing better for France than us... Just look at his midfield partners. Also, before the final people were saying he’d had a quiet tournament. They were wrong but let’s not go over the top now.
Mercenary because he wants to leave ManUtd
Funny how Spurs players are not mercenaries when they are all signed from other clubs too. Or any player wanting to leave English club is a mercenary?
Specially when all these rumours seem to come from Spain. And even if he wanted out, there is no way we'd let him go.
As for his form, he's to blame but so is Jose imo. He just didnt manage to get the best out of our players in 2 years or find a tactic that works properly. Our football has been shit for 2 years and that is down to him. There is hardly a player who outperformed
Raiola, from the players perspective, is a great agent tbh. He fights tooth and nail to get them richer
The man is really getting to my nerves.
He is clearly a very talented and motivated player. He showed it at Juventus, and he's done it at the World Cup. The latter in the very same role that Mourinho plays him in at United. And somehow he's half-arsed to do it for United. He's produced jack-shit by his standards here, and suddenly it's on the club that we aren't challenging for honours? If he kept his fecking shit together, maybe he could played a pivotal role against Sevilla and taken us further in the CL. If he had done better against Liverpool and Chelsea, perhaps we'd be closer to the top, and have won the FA Cup. Pogba is the underperformer here, not the club. He takes it too easy in so many games, and decides to turn up for a few.
Gary Neville summed him up perfectly in our win against Palace:
"His great weakness is that he plays like he's playing in the park with his mates. It's like everything he does is like a YouTube or Instagram video. It's like it's not serious, it's like a joke to him in terms of the way he goes about things. It's no wonder (manager) Jose Mourinho has left him out for the past few weeks a number of times."
It's all well and nice to say that Mourinho is not getting the best out of him, but what else can a manager do? The team IS built around him right now. We bought Fred because we needed better fits for the 4-3-3. We're after a ball-playing CB so that we can push higher up the pitch and let him do his thing. We spent crazy money because we valued him, and now because his fat asshole of an agent wants a big check, he wants out, with 4 years left on his contract?
He's a great player with a shit attitude. He doesn't have the desire to win every single game, to take new challenges every game. I don't think that'll change, and he'll never be consistently world class. Serie A is his level, where he can half-ass his way to domestic titles, and turn up for the CL games. He'll struggle in Barca, too, when he takes it too easy against the Valencias and the Villareals.
Sell him in an exchange offer for Dembele and cash, I'd say. Let the fecker go and get criticised for being too casual in another competitive league.
Pogback was a mistake.
He is clearly a very talented and motivated player. He showed it at Juventus, and he's done it at the World Cup. The latter in the very same role that Mourinho plays him in at United. And somehow he's half-arsed to do it for United. He's produced jack-shit by his standards here, and suddenly it's on the club that we aren't challenging for honours? If he kept his fecking shit together, maybe he could played a pivotal role against Sevilla and taken us further in the CL. If he had done better against Liverpool and Chelsea, perhaps we'd be closer to the top, and have won the FA Cup. Pogba is the underperformer here, not the club. He takes it too easy in so many games, and decides to turn up for a few.
Gary Neville summed him up perfectly in our win against Palace:
"His great weakness is that he plays like he's playing in the park with his mates. It's like everything he does is like a YouTube or Instagram video. It's like it's not serious, it's like a joke to him in terms of the way he goes about things. It's no wonder (manager) Jose Mourinho has left him out for the past few weeks a number of times."
It's all well and nice to say that Mourinho is not getting the best out of him, but what else can a manager do? The team IS built around him right now. We bought Fred because we needed better fits for the 4-3-3. We're after a ball-playing CB so that we can push higher up the pitch and let him do his thing. We spent crazy money because we valued him, and now because his fat asshole of an agent wants a big check, he wants out, with 4 years left on his contract?
He's a great player with a shit attitude. He doesn't have the desire to win every single game, to take new challenges every game. I don't think that'll change, and he'll never be consistently world class. Serie A is his level, where he can half-ass his way to domestic titles, and turn up for the CL games. He'll struggle in Barca, too, when he takes it too easy against the Valencias and the Villareals.
Sell him in an exchange offer for Dembele and cash, I'd say. Let the fecker go and get criticised for being too casual in another competitive league.
Pogback was a mistake.
He doesnt even deserve the so called pay rise he's looking for if the rumors are true with his hot and cold performances sine he rejoined us.
Personally if we can get anything around 160m or the equivalent in players that we want to sign then I wouldn't miss him.
He's been infuriating to watch more than not to the extent that you excuse him because he plays for us and you want to support him.
All this bullshit that goes on around him is not welcome. He doesn't see United as his home he's already left once.
He's been infuriating to watch more than not to the extent that you excuse him because he plays for us and you want to support him.
All this bullshit that goes on around him is not welcome. He doesn't see United as his home he's already left once.
While I rate Pogba and think he’s been good for United, I think he could’ve been better and I think a lot of what you say is valid.
You are spitting facts bro.
It probably is. And that’s annoying. His performances fell off a cliff as soon as Sanchez took his place as best paid player at the club. Literally walking around the pitch. I don’t think that’s a coincidence and it’s an absolute disgrace.
Agreed with everything on that.
Only other thing you could say is would he be less half arsed if he was enjoying himself playing football? I.e in an easier league in a more attacking role? I know he didn't have any of that in France this year but his motivation was the World Cup trophy.
Some good points overall. While I am critical of Jose, Pogba's performances being hit and miss are entirely down to Pogba himself. Jose has given him plenty of leeway overall. Only thing I'd criticize Jose for regarding Pogba is Pogba seemingly made a scapegoat for our loss vs Tottenham. But I've always maintained that Pogba has no one to blame, but himself. He has to perform.
But re: bold - Dembele is an even worse player with an even WORSE attitude than Pogba. I'd stay far away from him considering what he pulled to leave Dortmund.
I imagine that's the likely scenario as well.
Wouldn't our wage structure completely break if we paid him like Sanchez?
Certainly a pickle.
Pogba may or may not be the type of player to stay at a club long term but at this instant we need him more than he needs us. Lets be honest we're nowhere near the elite teams right now. Letting go of our few elite talents won't get us nearer.
His stock is at an all time high after the WC win. Considering the time of this rumor, I feel its his pay rise tactic.
His stock is at an all time high after the WC win. Considering the time of this rumor, I feel its his pay rise tactic.
Vintage Ed
Finally it turns out the real reason. It’s not about JM, it’s all about $$$$$
It’s all about the evil Raiola again.
It’s all about the evil Raiola again.
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Which would make him basically a child who downs tools when he’s asked to be disciplined or graft for a living.
He always motivated for France sometimes too motivated at the exception of the game against Russia where he should have been slapped by Deschamps on the field(And I don't care about his assist, it was the only good thing he did in that game). Also Pogba isn't good in a more attacking role, he is at his best as a box to box and I don't think that he has a problem with it. The frustrating part for me is that I don't really know why he has a problem with Mourinho(if he has one) who was defending him ridiculously when he was having bad spells of games.
A bit of a rant, but still a great post!
Exactly! Pogba appears to me like a spoilt child with far too much money. On top of that, he has an agent who whispers words into his ear about how great he is and that he deserves even more. Quite frankly, I think Pogba leaving, if we can find good replacements, may be a blessing in disguise. I think he is a perfect example of a player thinking he is bigger than the club, and we all know what Ferguson thought of those.
If Keane was so loyal and not financially motivated, why didn't he just stay at Forest or maybe his fallen move to Blackburn was based on they had the biggest wallet at that time? Scholes to Serie A, the lad struggled to move out of Oldham.
Sorry, ask the French people about Pogba's performances. They were equally frustrated with him leading up to the World Cup and he got better as the tournament progressed. That said, there's a big difference playing for country than playing for your employer. You have only one country but in your career you'll have many employers. If he was a mercenary surely he'd play better when there's money involved than when there isn't?
Never quite sure why players are called mercenaries when all they are doing is a job that someone's willing to pay them to do. Utd didn't have to sign him or agree to pay him a shit load of money, no gun was held to their head. If someone wants to pay him more or his working conditions are better elsewhere, why wouldn't anyone want to leave. Whether he's good enough or been good enough is a different discussion and subjective anyway. His ability is there to see imo but Loyalty is something for fans and not necessarily employees of the business called Man Utd.
Are the club mercenaries for selling players who don't want to leave then, say if Rojo was sold after bringing his family and over here and are settled. If him staying would mean we couldn't sign Varane, would fans be saying, let him stay cause he's been loyal or sell him cause he's been shit. We've had loyal players here than fans couldn't wait to see the back of. Loyalty doesn't count then does it....It goes both ways.
Fans and football clubs can be so hypercritical.
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Two random thoughts on this Pogba drama:
If he was/is to leave, would he consider himself a Premiership failure (some would say so) or is that just not in his mindset?
It seems there is more of a sense of loss on here over the potential sale of Martial than Pogba despite the differences in their current stage of development and achievement. Interesting.
If he was/is to leave, would he consider himself a Premiership failure (some would say so) or is that just not in his mindset?
It seems there is more of a sense of loss on here over the potential sale of Martial than Pogba despite the differences in their current stage of development and achievement. Interesting.
The truth probably lies somewhere in between. For any employer, you want your workforce and your environment to be as stabile as possible. When and if a player feels that he has given all that he can to a club and seeks new opportunities, you contact the manager and tell him this and you work out a deal. The same goes the other way, if the club feels the player is surplus to requirements. On the other hand, when a player, such as Pogba, is constantly making headlines of wanting away or being unhappy with his role, he is creating a toxic environment for the club. To me, this is what made Ferguson the greatest manager. He just didn't tolerate it. When Beckham acted up, he sold him. When Rooney, for the second time acted up, he would have sold him.
If there is no truth to the rumours, Mr. Social Media should come out and deny them. If there is truth to it, good riddance as he is now disrupting the team more than his contributions warrant him doing.
But by your own argument, when did Mr Social media say he wanted to leave or wasn't happy? Give me one headline? That said, how many times at work are you unhappy and want to leave. Isn't that what happens at work sometimes. Football is a job.
People are asking him to say he's innocent for something he's never said to my knowledge. Are you asking him to respond to the absolute gutter media. That said didn't he gesture to the crowd don't believe what you read?
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