Not in the numbers that left today, not since big ron was there, thousands started leaving today with 10 mins left and the game in the balance, it was shocking, embarrassing, concerning, not good enough, we are patient fans and have been with this manager, that game was unwatchable.
Pathetic, pitiful, disgraceful and an absolute embarrassment
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Not in the numbers that left today, not since big ron was there, thousands started leaving today with 10 mins left and the game in the balance, it was shocking, embarrassing, concerning, not good enough, we are patient fans and have been with this manager, that game was unwatchable.
Rubbish.
I have been at loads of games where the stands were emptying at huge rates with 10 minutes to go, although i sympathise with the fans in the ground tonight as it was dreadful, it doesn't change the fact that fans leave early in their thousands every week at Old Trafford.
You, devilish and others continuous regurgitating of this nonsense would make sense if majority of the people dissatisfied with LVG, wanted Giggs to take over, but they don't.
There are more than a few nutcases that would replace Van Gaal with Giggs tomorrow.
That said, you're right in saying that the majority of people would sooner see somebody more proven.
I hope Utd get knocked out from the CL.
Then maybe some of you who accept medicrioty (after the amount of money spent last few seasons) will wake the feck up.
Then maybe some of you who accept medicrioty (after the amount of money spent last few seasons) will wake the feck up.
Ok, the loads of games you were at where the stadium emptied with 10 mins left, what score was it at the time, was it 0-0, who were we playing, what was riding on the result etc, that is important.
The four off of the top of my head that annoyed me the most were (and in recent times)
United 0-1 Everton
United 0-1 Newcastle
United 1-0 Sociadad
United 4-0 QPR.
I will say that when we drew with Newcastle 0-0 this season i remember seeing people leaving around the 80-85 minute mark but i did think it was less than usual.
EDIT: Interesting tidbit for that game, the guy next to me turned up 25 minutes into the first half, i figured fair enough he was probably late out of work or something. The weird thing was, he sat through the first ten minutes of half time then went somewhere and didn't reappear until the last ten minutes, it was utterly bizarre.
I'm sure there are, just like there are some people who never wanted Moyes to leave. They exist, but are a very small majority of weirdos
Well that's just strange.
United fans shouldn't be called "supporters". We only support the team when we like what we see. Barca's next. They are successful and play entertaining football non-stop.
But seriously guys, you're overreacting. Things just haven't gone our way lately.
But seriously guys, you're overreacting. Things just haven't gone our way lately.
My seat costs me 45 quid, I used a favour and lost 3 hours pay to go to that game, after being up since 5.45, only to get whiplash from nodding off and waking up sharpish.
What I really need is a sofa surfer throwing shit in my direction. I bet the neighbours loved hearing united songs into injury time.
What I really need is a sofa surfer throwing shit in my direction. I bet the neighbours loved hearing united songs into injury time.
I feel sorry for the guy.
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Join the club, got up 430 for work so I could leave early, spent three and bit hours driving to Manchester and two and half driving home. Same shit just a different week.My seat costs me 45 quid, I used a favour and lost 3 hours pay to go to that game, after being up since 5.45, only to get whiplash from nodding off and waking up sharpish.
What I really need is a sofa surfer throwing shit in my direction. I bet the neighbours loved hearing united songs into injury time.
United fan a long time like most, I just got a smell off tonight I didn't like, it seemed to tie in with an intolerance for the way we playing and that was why the fans were leaving, a good portion of those who stayed did so to make their voices heard by booing, same point. Protest.
My seat costs me 45 quid, I used a favour and lost 3 hours pay to go to that game, after being up since 5.45, only to get whiplash from nodding off and waking up sharpish.
What I really need is a sofa surfer throwing shit in my direction. I bet the neighbours loved hearing united songs into injury time.
It's your choice. Stop supporting us then. Problem solved. Why watch sh*t on stick?
I'm assuming that you think I am happy with the performance.
I'm all for patience and understanding that you can't always have it all but tonight's reaction is far from knee-jerk. We have scored 6 goals in the 8 games during the last month or so and City are the only opponent you could describe as elite. The tension and frustration has been building and the impotent nature of the second half tonight is just the latest example of a worryingly recurring theme.
Fans are simply trying to spark a reaction/change which does not appear to be forthcoming from the manager and team of their own accord. There is nothing wrong with letting them know how dour their football has been and a bit of booing after the final whistle is one of the only ways in which they can do so. They can't get their time and money back and many will be financially committed to the rest of the season
The justification of being second in the league is a little flimsy as we have won 3, drawn 2 and lost 1 of our last 6 games but still managed to ascend the rankings. Hardly stellar form (not even 2 points a game) and more indicative of the recent form of our rivals. Add this to the nature of our results, often unconvincing, and it is unsurprising that people feel dissatisfied. Grinding out results through difficult periods is classically considered to be a key component of Championship winning teams but there are generally periods of fine football to contrast this against and bar the odd half here and there we have certainly not produced anything of the sort this season (or last) on a regular basis.
We had a 4 game win streak earlier in the season (our joint best stretch of wins this year) and that entailed riding our luck against Southampton, beating a makeshift Ipswich team and biting our nails against the mighty Wolfsburg at OT. Since then (the end of August) we have scored 2 more goals than we have conceded (a heady total of 8) across 10 games, 3 goals have been at home in the 5 games played there. £200+ for 3 goals would leave me pretty disappointed at a venue dubbed "The Theatre of Dreams", 480+ minutes of my time invested for 3 goals has left me somewhat miffed as it stands.
LVG has said, at earlier times, how surprised he was at the patience of our fans. Well that patience has now been eroded within a section of them. I'm not one for booing myself but I can certainly appreciate why people feel they have valid reason to do so, we are scoring at our slowest rate in recent history and the trend seems downward for now. It is sometimes hard to see progress/process in amongst that.
Fans are simply trying to spark a reaction/change which does not appear to be forthcoming from the manager and team of their own accord. There is nothing wrong with letting them know how dour their football has been and a bit of booing after the final whistle is one of the only ways in which they can do so. They can't get their time and money back and many will be financially committed to the rest of the season
The justification of being second in the league is a little flimsy as we have won 3, drawn 2 and lost 1 of our last 6 games but still managed to ascend the rankings. Hardly stellar form (not even 2 points a game) and more indicative of the recent form of our rivals. Add this to the nature of our results, often unconvincing, and it is unsurprising that people feel dissatisfied. Grinding out results through difficult periods is classically considered to be a key component of Championship winning teams but there are generally periods of fine football to contrast this against and bar the odd half here and there we have certainly not produced anything of the sort this season (or last) on a regular basis.
We had a 4 game win streak earlier in the season (our joint best stretch of wins this year) and that entailed riding our luck against Southampton, beating a makeshift Ipswich team and biting our nails against the mighty Wolfsburg at OT. Since then (the end of August) we have scored 2 more goals than we have conceded (a heady total of 8) across 10 games, 3 goals have been at home in the 5 games played there. £200+ for 3 goals would leave me pretty disappointed at a venue dubbed "The Theatre of Dreams", 480+ minutes of my time invested for 3 goals has left me somewhat miffed as it stands.
LVG has said, at earlier times, how surprised he was at the patience of our fans. Well that patience has now been eroded within a section of them. I'm not one for booing myself but I can certainly appreciate why people feel they have valid reason to do so, we are scoring at our slowest rate in recent history and the trend seems downward for now. It is sometimes hard to see progress/process in amongst that.
Feel for you mate. At least I could get pissed. (Not in the ground of course, being a European night. Anaesthesia not allowed in case someone gets offended.)
Look at my post earlier in this thread, he's made at least four other negative threads about LvG besides 'van Gaal out' since last summer and now wants to criticise others with this hysterical thread title.
Who the feck are you?
Presumed the title was describing the performance.
FWIW, i think we were dreadful tonight, I really do. But as a whole our performances have been ok so far this term, not good but enough to get the job done and I am much happier with a bad performance with 3 points then i am with a good performance and 0 points but that's just me.
I think our fundamental issue is that we are so easy to play against and seem to lack the creative spark to unlock a stubborn defence. I think that LVG has done a great job rebuilding the defence, but we are so lightweight when it comes to creating chances. Once the ball goes wide they opposition often double up on us and force us backwards. If we try to play through the middle they pull their midfield deeper and just crowd us out until we either go backwards or we lack the potent touch in the box and we get nights like tonight where it just won't fall for us. In the first half for example if Martial had scored when 1 on 1 with the keeper then the game changes, but the keeper made a really good save in my opinion.
I guess what I am saying is that we are a patient side but we have to take our chances when they come and we didn't tonight, this doesn't explain the lack of urgency though.
I guess what i am trying to say is that we have the ability and we are generally getting the results, but i understand a lot of the fans frustrations, i guess it kind of comes down to perspective though, 2nd in the premier league, top if we win on saturday, one win away from the champions league 2nd round, FA Cup still to come, One of the best defensive records across all 4 divisions. it really isn't THAT bad.
We're only solid because we have a reasonable team that doesn't fecking do anything though.
We aren't actually that good at defending.
I think LVG is worried that changing the way we play will potentially expose that, which is the only thing making him look any good at the moment.
We'd look better overall in my opinion, but this 'solid in defence' fallacy is all he has and if that changes it looks like he has a lot more to sort out.
I wouldnt go to the dramatic extent of the op but there are definitely some really shit fans on here
Fans at Old Trafford get outsung by the opposition fans in europe quite a bit so thats not surprising. The performance of the team was absolute shit so it shouldnt be surprising that few at OT felt compelled to cheer them on and its not like this is the first time we see this.
I much prefer people moan about the Football at least that discussion leads to discussion with Football which is what the site is about. And I find it interesting that a lot of the same people who rightfully moan about ticket prices also want to police fan behavior. With how much they paid they can show their dissatisfaction in any way they please as long as it is not destructive. Also, the pressure and the negativity our fans show is nothing compared to what we see from the fans of Real, Barca and Bayern the three clubs people here love to wank about. We have nothing on the white handkerchiefs at the Bernbeau, the Real fans confronting payers at the car park or the no cajones chants Barca players had to deal with at the airport when they lost to Bayern. While fans should not copy some of those tactics I do think if we want to be an elite cub again we need to be held to a higher standard. And to everyone pointing at our league position the fact that even with our inconsistent performances that we are still second shows the people who at the start of the season who were content with us not challenging this season were just silly. With the standard of the opposition we should have the foot on the neck of the rest of the division and not just second.
United fans have a right, perhaps even an obligation, to feel frustrated at what we've been witnessing this season.
I'm patient and can easily see that we're missing just a bit of quality up front that would have allowed us to easily dispatch PSV tonight and tuck Watford away midway through the second half. But if you're a matchgoing fan who shells out 100 pounds per ticket and endures the cold and wet weather to watch United play rather uninspiring football, you're going to pissed. But at the same time it should be evident that we're not far off from where we want to be.
The missing link is (no, not Martin Keown) is the lack of a second reliable striker. We can't expect Martial to come to the rescue all the time, not yet at least. Memphis has been a bust, Lingard is still a newbie and Rooney is done. Until we sort out the Rooney problem we're going to struggle for goals, but if Memphis can get a grip on himself we'll at least nick out the 1-0 wins we going to need to have a prayer of lifting trophies.
I'm patient and can easily see that we're missing just a bit of quality up front that would have allowed us to easily dispatch PSV tonight and tuck Watford away midway through the second half. But if you're a matchgoing fan who shells out 100 pounds per ticket and endures the cold and wet weather to watch United play rather uninspiring football, you're going to pissed. But at the same time it should be evident that we're not far off from where we want to be.
The missing link is (no, not Martin Keown) is the lack of a second reliable striker. We can't expect Martial to come to the rescue all the time, not yet at least. Memphis has been a bust, Lingard is still a newbie and Rooney is done. Until we sort out the Rooney problem we're going to struggle for goals, but if Memphis can get a grip on himself we'll at least nick out the 1-0 wins we going to need to have a prayer of lifting trophies.
In general Utd match going fans are pretty supportive of the team etc. The fact that we now hear booing etc says a lot.
I'm someone who voices my opinion in a forum. Just like you.
Definitely.
The way I see it is that they have the right to do whatever they want if they paid so much money to watch a terrible match. It's not just about the ticket prices, it's all the traveling and long hours spent in hope of watching a good football match. The frustration is very easily understandable.
Err... What happened?? Did the fans boo?
My seat costs me 45 quid, I used a favour and lost 3 hours pay to go to that game, after being up since 5.45, only to get whiplash from nodding off and waking up sharpish.
What I really need is a sofa surfer throwing shit in my direction. I bet the neighbours loved hearing united songs into injury time.
Fans of much worse clubs than United the width and depth of the country could say the same thing.
If you're that appalled, you should vote with your feet and not go.
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I have also, on numerous occasions, held my hands up and admitted that I acted like an utter dickhead last season.
None of that detracts from the point being made though - there's plot loss on a massive scale from United fans when the club is in a pretty good position.
It's not just match going fans. The general mood and negativity across the entire fan base is appalling and, in my opinion, out of keeping with our position.
I read one person yesterday say that was the worst post-Fergie. Lunacy.
You've lost me.
The post I quoted started:
"We still didn't lose, or even concede. It's actually amazing that there's this much of a backlash not for losing, but for failing to win"
Seems like an effort at defending it to me.
I have also, on numerous occasions, held my hands up and admitted that I acted like an utter dickhead last season.
None of that detracts from the point being made though - there's plot loss on a massive scale from United fans when the club is in a pretty good position.
You're slamming people for overreacting when you admit to doing the same thing as recently as few months ago. Don't you see the irony?
Response on here is pretty much in line with that performance in the second half - it was just that bad.
Fans of much worse clubs moan, groan, leave matches early and boo at the end. If everybody stopped going to football or cancelled their TV sub because they sometimes get pissed off with performances there would be a lot of empty grounds.
It's the nature of being a supporter that we're stuck with it. We have to watch, it's like any other addiction. We don't have to pretend to like it.
If we play like that, we'll go top? Really?