Pathetic, pitiful, disgraceful and an absolute embarrassment

[Pogue Mahone]

Does it? I disagree with the thread back then and I disagree with most of the criticism right now.

But the timing of his last thread suggests it was at a time when the European qualification was in the balance. We had a tough run of games coming up and we weren't playing well. We were looking down the barrel of the gun of not qualifying for Europe again.

Now whats peoples excuse? Most of the people on here aren't match goers, if they were I could at least understand the argument that people are shelling out a lot of money to watch the team and deserve performances, but they're not. Despite not playing particularly well we're still having a fine season results wise.

I don't understand it all, really.

Interestingly, I've yet to read a single comment from anyone on here who does go to games (and there are a fair few, albeit in the minority) that is anything other than highly pissed off with what they've endured this season. Conversely, every single one of the people who are most ardent in their defence of Van Gaal don't seem to attend games.

Read into that what you will.

Re your point that so long as you're not spending a load of cash you have no right to complain. That makes no sense. If we were chatting about the latest DVD releases would we ignore the opinion of anyone who downloaded the movie as a torrent?

 

[NinjaFletch]

Interestingly, I've yet to read a single comment from anyone on here who does go to games (and there are a fair few, albeit in the minority) that is anything other than highly pissed off with what they've endured this season. Conversely, every single one of the people who are most ardent in their defence of Van Gaal don't seem to attend games.

Read into that what you will.

Re your point that so long as you're not spending a load of cash you have no right to complain. That makes no sense. If we were chatting about the latest DVD releases would we ignore the opinion of anyone who downloaded the movie as a torrent?

Right thats exactly the point. If you're spending the money to go to games (and some people spends £100s of pounds a week to go to games) then of course you'll be annoyed when you don't feel like you get your moneys worth. I have no problem whatsoever with those people complaining. I can appreciate them being short-termist, who wants to spend their hand on cash not watching the finished project?

I think its highly irritating, though, when people to whom United are not something they choose to spend their money on complain about it. Objectively speaking this season's going pretty well, midweek result aside. Yet half our fans seem to be one game away from demanding LVG out because why? It's ruining their Saturday afternoon watching an illegal steam when we only win 1-0? I've always hated the argument to a degree, but when teams are scrapping for relegation and scrapping to stay in business complaining that we're challenging for the title in a way in which that person, particularly, finds unentertaining is a bit pathetic. Particularly when less than a season ago, we were scrapping for European football and everyone seemed to be in agreement that this season was part of a process of getting back to our level. So what's LVG done? He's followed the conventional wisdom, he's building a team from the back. No we're not great to watch. But I'd take winning almost every game in a boring manner than I would losing to everyone and their dog like we did under Moyes.

We're closer than we've been since Ferguson retired to challenging for the league, and come the end of the season may even be Champions. If our uninspiring performances were costing us points regularly then fine but they're not. We're on, what, an 8 game unbeaten run and people are saying stuff like they miss Moyes.

It's ridiculously over the top. I might not go as far as to say its 'pathetic, pitiful, disgraceful, and an absolute embarrassment' but some of the comments on here recently have been down right odd.

 

[Sultan]

Someone said it well: I'd hate playing against United. I'd also hate playing for United.

 

[711]

Right thats exactly the point. If you're spending the money to go to games (and some people spends £100s of pounds a week to go to games) then of course you'll be annoyed when you don't feel like you get your moneys worth. I have no problem whatsoever with those people complaining. I can appreciate them being short-termist, who wants to spend their hand on cash not watching the finished project?

I think its highly irritating, though, when people to whom United are not something they choose to spend their money on complain about it.

You appear to have some sort of right-wing philosophy in which money is everything. There is a great deal people can invest besides money, that's their time, emotion, love, intellect, fanaticism, and if you have to believe in nothing but money maybe a sky/bt contract is a fair chunk of income for some?

Don't try and guess if I attend matches, you'll get it wrong.

 

[Croftona7]

I really respect the stadium going fans but I wish some people were not leaving in the 80th minute.

85 was enough for me, that 5 minutes is the difference between getting home at 01:30 or 02:30.

Hate leaving early but after sitting through that suddenly that hour saved was appealing.

I was home before memphis got off the pitch when subbed, that really wound me up, their sub went off quicker and he was playing for time!

Not keen on that lad thus far.

I could score two against Bruges.

 

[NinjaFletch]

You appear to have some sort of right-wing philosophy in which money is everything. There is a great deal people can invest besides money, that's their time, emotion, love, intellect, fanaticism, and if you have to believe in nothing but money maybe a sky/bt contract is a fair chunk of income for some?

Don't try and guess if I attend matches, you'll get it wrong.

I'm probably one of the most hopelessly left-wing posters on the site.

And no I'm not saying you love United more or less if you choose to, or can, spend your cash on going to games (and I don't just mean cash, too, I'd argue people that travel the length and the breath of the country to watch United dedicate more time, emotion and love to the club than anyone). What I'm saying is I can understand those that do being more short-termist in their outlook and less objective. To the people to whom a bad performances costs them little more than 2 hours wasted then the incessant pissing and moaning like its the end of the world is more frustrating, they have less excuse for not being objective.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Someone said it well: I'd hate playing against United. I'd also hate playing for United.

Heh. Very good.

 

[Sultan]

Interestingly, I've yet to read a single comment from anyone on here who does go to games (and there are a fair few, albeit in the minority) that is anything other than highly pissed off with what they've endured this season. Conversely, every single one of the people who are most ardent in their defence of Van Gaal don't seem to attend games.

Read into that what you will.

Re your point that so long as you're not spending a load of cash you have no right to complain. That makes no sense. If we were chatting about the latest DVD releases would we ignore the opinion of anyone who downloaded the movie as a torrent?

Season ticket holders are beginning miss games. You can see a lot of empty seats. I can't speak for everyone, but those around me would gladly welcome a change unless football started to become more attractive. Fans are now actually moaning even when we win.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm probably one of the most hopelessly left-wing posters on the site.

And no I'm not saying you love United more or less if you choose to, or can, spend your cash on going to games (and I don't just mean cash, too, I'd argue people that travel the length and the breath of the country to watch United dedicate more time, emotion and love to the club than anyone). What I'm saying is I can understand those that do being more short-termist in their outlook and less objective. To the people to whom a bad performances costs them little more than 2 hours wasted then the incessant pissing and moaning like its the end of the world is more frustrating, they have less excuse for not being objective.

Oh come on. The existence of this fecking website is all the evidence you need of how important watching Manchester United is to everyone who posts on here. Supporting this club obviously has a far higher importance in most redcafe users lives than "two hours wasted" watching the game. Most of us are fecking obssessed about the club. It's something we think about all week, good or bad. Watching your team limp from drab nil all to drab nil all can be a massive downer, no matter what the financial cost.

 

[Sultan]

Heh. Very good.

I can't be sure, but I think it was Scholes.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

I'm probably one of the most hopelessly left-wing posters on the site.

And no I'm not saying you love United more or less if you choose to, or can, spend your cash on going to games (and I don't just mean cash, too, I'd argue people that travel the length and the breath of the country to watch United dedicate more time, emotion and love to the club than anyone). What I'm saying is I can understand those that do being more short-termist in their outlook and less objective. To the people to whom a bad performances costs them little more than 2 hours wasted then the incessant pissing and moaning like its the end of the world is more frustrating, they have less excuse for not being objective.

100% agree with this, I only watch on TV and as disappointed as I am sometimes I am amazed by some of the reaction from people here.

 

[Sultan]

Singing attack, attack, attack is a form of protest. This is mostly sung by our famed away fans.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

I'm probably one of the most hopelessly left-wing posters on the site.

And no I'm not saying you love United more or less if you choose to, or can, spend your cash on going to games (and I don't just mean cash, too, I'd argue people that travel the length and the breath of the country to watch United dedicate more time, emotion and love to the club than anyone). What I'm saying is I can understand those that do being more short-termist in their outlook and less objective. To the people to whom a bad performances costs them little more than 2 hours wasted then the incessant pissing and moaning like its the end of the world is more frustrating, they have less excuse for not being objective.

Could you possibly give examples of posters who act like this?

Personally, this season, I tend to go through a series of different emotions whilst watching us play, with the most prominent being frustrated and bored. I'll proceed to read and share, and move on.

As for those who "have less of an excuse", you have no right to assume this or say it. You don't know the financial situations of anyone here, and shouldn't pretend to either. People splash a lot of cash when it comes to watching United. I've been subscribed to Sky for god knows how long, and I'm guessing I've spent close to £3000 (if not more) on sky sports. Regardless, that shouldn't stop anyone from expressing their opinions, as you so gleefully did in the OP.

 

[Spoony]

Oh come on. The existence of this fecking website is all the evidence you need of how important watching Manchester United is to everyone who posts on here. Supporting this club obviously has a far higher importance in most redcafe users lives than "two hours wasted" watching the game. Most of us are fecking obssessed about the club. It's something we think about all week, good or bad. Watching your team limp from drab nil all to drab nil all can be a massive downer, no matter what the financial cost.

It's just a stick to beat people with to support a particular point of view.

 

[711]

I'm probably one of the most hopelessly left-wing posters on the site.

And no I'm not saying you love United more or less if you choose to, or can, spend your cash on going to games (and I don't just mean cash, too, I'd argue people that travel the length and the breath of the country to watch United dedicate more time, emotion and love to the club than anyone). What I'm saying is I can understand those that do being more short-termist in their outlook and less objective. To the people to whom a bad performances costs them little more than 2 hours wasted then the incessant pissing and moaning like its the end of the world is more frustrating, they have less excuse for not being objective.

Sorry, but I don't understand the short-termism either. It's not building for the future in any way when our football is this boring, it will lose fans, which means less cash and poorer players, and make top players pick somewhere else to go instead. If you have a higher opinion of LVG and think he can turn it round, then that would be valid (even though I disagree) but that's not what you're saying.

 

[Spoony]

Singing attack, attack, attack is a form of protest. This is mostly sung by our famed away fans.

Yep. They've been unhappy for weeks and all. Ahh but they all chanted 'Louis Van Gaal's Army'!

 

[Sultan]

100% agree with this, I only watch on TV and as disappointed as I am sometimes I am amazed by some of the reaction from people here.

Obsession with football teams is on par with religious fundamentalism with a lot of fans. You'd be shocked the amount of effort, time, and money spent on following football teams. Losing a game basically means a miserable week.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Right thats exactly the point. If you're spending the money to go to games (and some people spends £100s of pounds a week to go to games) then of course you'll be annoyed when you don't feel like you get your moneys worth. I have no problem whatsoever with those people complaining. I can appreciate them being short-termist, who wants to spend their hand on cash not watching the finished project?

I think its highly irritating, though, when people to whom United are not something they choose to spend their money on complain about it. Objectively speaking this season's going pretty well, midweek result aside. Yet half our fans seem to be one game away from demanding LVG out because why? It's ruining their Saturday afternoon watching an illegal steam when we only win 1-0? I've always hated the argument to a degree, but when teams are scrapping for relegation and scrapping to stay in business complaining that we're challenging for the title in a way in which that person, particularly, finds unentertaining is a bit pathetic. Particularly when less than a season ago, we were scrapping for European football and everyone seemed to be in agreement that this season was part of a process of getting back to our level. So what's LVG done? He's followed the conventional wisdom, he's building a team from the back. No we're not great to watch. But I'd take winning almost every game in a boring manner than I would losing to everyone and their dog like we did under Moyes.

We're closer than we've been since Ferguson retired to challenging for the league, and come the end of the season may even be Champions. If our uninspiring performances were costing us points regularly then fine but they're not. We're on, what, an 8 game unbeaten run and people are saying stuff like they miss Moyes.

It's ridiculously over the top. I might not go as far as to say its 'pathetic, pitiful, disgraceful, and an absolute embarrassment' but some of the comments on here recently have been down right odd.

You do realize that the modern United's revenues depend largely on the non-match going fans? If they are becoming restless and, even worse, losing interest, then it should worry the owners.

And as for Moyes, I think Van Gaal has now exhausted the reservoir of goodwill he instantly earned simply by virtue of not being Moyes. Nobody disputes that he has stabilized the club but, after nearly a season and a half, we want to see more than low scoring encounters where the opposition's keeper has little work to do.

And, in any case, you don't win major trophies in England by playing such risk-free football. So this is not an argument between romantic/nostalgic aesthetes and hardheaded pragmatists.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Oh come on. The existence of this fecking website is all the evidence you need of how important watching Manchester United is to everyone who posts on here. Supporting this club obviously has a far higher importance in most redcafe users lives than "two hours wasted" watching the game. Most of us are fecking obssessed about the club. It's something we think about all week, good or bad. Watching your team limp from drab nil all to drab nil all can be a massive downer, no matter what the financial cost.

And do you think I'm particularly enthused by the performances?

Of course not, I'd love it if we were tearing teams limb from limb every week and I find it as frustrating as anyone that we're not. But I can live with the fact we're in a trophy hunt again, and frankly, given where we've come from its very odd, to me, that some people aren't happy with that. The performances will come, whether under LVG or someone else, but as long as the results are fine there's no justification for the abuse LVG has got.

Sorry, but I don't understand the short-termism either. It's not building for the future in any way when our football is this boring, it will lose fans, which means less cash and poorer players, and make top players pick somewhere else to go instead. If you think have a higher opinion of LVG and think he can turn it round then that would be valid (even though I disagree) but that's not what you're saying.

So we were in a better position last season, or two seasons before that, when we were not in the title fight than we are this season?

 

[Feed Me]

Jesus, posts like this are as bad as the constant moaning.

Well done superfan!

I'm certainly not a super fan.

The negativity is in no way appropriate in light of our current position.

You'd think we were seventh again and out of Europe.

Yes, the football is conservative, but reactions need to be a bit more balanced.

 

[Feed Me]

Interestingly, I've yet to read a single comment from anyone on here who does go to games (and there are a fair few, albeit in the minority) that is anything other than highly pissed off with what they've endured this season. Conversely, every single one of the people who are most ardent in their defence of Van Gaal don't seem to attend games.

Read into that what you will.

Re your point that so long as you're not spending a load of cash you have no right to complain. That makes no sense. If we were chatting about the latest DVD releases would we ignore the opinion of anyone who downloaded the movie as a torrent?

That's a monumentally sweeping statement.

Out of interest, do you know how many games a season I attend?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

And do you think I'm particularly enthused by the performances?

Of course not, I'd love it if we were tearing teams limb from limb every week and I find it as frustrating as anyone that we're not. But I can live with the fact we're in a trophy hunt again, and frankly, given where we've come from its very odd, to me, that some people aren't happy with that. The performances will come, whether under LVG or someone else, but as long as the results are fine there's no justification for the abuse LVG has got.

He's not really getting abuse. Just a whole bunch of people deeply unhappy with the style of football he has his team playing. I mean, when it comes to shots per game, or number of chances created per game we're amongst the very worst 4 or 5 teams in the league! That's compared to teams with new managers, new players, tiny transfer budgets, everyone.

Ultimately, we watch football for entertainment and football is a really simple game, with the objective being to score more goals than the opposition. Take away goal-mouth action and there's really not much left to enjoy. No matter how good the results. I don't think it's unreasonable at all for fans to be pissed off when their team is so demonstrably less entertaining than almost every other club in the league.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That's a monumentally sweeping statement.

Out of interest, do you know how many games a season I attend?

No idea. How many have you attended this season?

 

[JPRouve]

And do you think I'm particularly enthused by the performances?

Of course not, I'd love it if we were tearing teams limb from limb every week and I find it as frustrating as anyone that we're not. But I can live with the fact we're in a trophy hunt again, and frankly, given where we've come from its very odd, to me, that some people aren't happy with that. The performances will come, whether under LVG or someone else, but as long as the results are fine there's no justification for the abuse LVG has got.

There is nothing odd about people being unhappy, since like you admitted, we are frustrated. Who is happy when he is frustrated?

You say that the performances will come but there is no improvements in our attack, we are well drilled, well organized without the ball but we don't know what to do with the ball and it has been the case for 18 months now, without the beginning of an improvement, like Bayern's fans discovered themselves we are relying exclusively on individual brilliance.

History is repeating itself infront of our own eyes.

 

[Feed Me]

Four games - Newcastle and City in the league at home, Villa away in the league (sat in the home end) and Brugges at home in the CL. That's actually quite a lot for me. Funnily enough, I've seen two nil-nil draws at home, a shitty 1-0 win away and a reasonable 3-1 win in Europe. All in, let's say I've paid around £400 for tickets, travel, food, drink, etc. That said, I've still not ever come away thinking, "that was a shit waste of money". I enjoy going to the game and the experience that comes with that. Maybe that's a day-tripper mentality. I reckon, on average over the past ten years, I've gone to around 5 games a season, give or take. Not sure where that puts me on the spectrum of match-going fan, probably towards the fair weather end, but hey-ho.

I don't think there's a relationship between being a match goer and disliking Van Gaal and being an armchair fan and liking him. The dissenting will always make more noise than the chap or lady who gets up from their seat at full time, shrugs their shoulders and buggers off to get on with their life until the next game.

I personally like Van Gaal's approach in settling the club down after a tumultuous period, I like how there seems to be a coherent plan (even though he sometimes makes odd decisions) in terms of taking the club forward and I think there's a good chance we'll win the league this year. Do I wish we could play more attractive football? Yeah, of course. But I'm not going to call for the manager's head because we play too conservatively, especially if results are there.

 

[711]

And do you think I'm particularly enthused by the performances?
Of course not, I'd love it if we were tearing teams limb from limb every week and I find it as frustrating as anyone that we're not. But I can live with the fact we're in a trophy hunt again, and frankly, given where we've come from its very odd, to me, that some people aren't happy with that. The performances will come, whether under LVG or someone else, but as long as the results are fine there's no justification for the abuse LVG has got.
So we were in a better position last season, or two seasons before that, when we were not in the title fight than we are this season?

You've shifted the argument, but I'll answer you honestly anyway, albeit with a comparison. Tommy Docherty got very few points in his first season, he took over a relegation side true, but points-wise he failed, because he failed to keep us up, we were relegated. Yet it was as thrilling a season as I can remember, his emphasis on youth and attack blazed so bright that we knew with certainty the next season would be not just promotion but glorious, attacking youthful promotion. Seeing as how you brought up short-termism, maybe that will explain the difference.

 

[NinjaFletch]

He's not really getting abuse. Just a whole bunch of people deeply unhappy with the style of football he has his team playing. I mean, when it comes to shots per game, or number of chances created per game we're amongst the very worst 4 or 5 teams in the league! That's compared to teams with new managers, new players, tiny transfer budgets, everyone.

Ultimately, we watch football for entertainment and football is a really simple game, with the objective being to score more goals than the opposition. Take away goal-mouth action and there's really not much left to enjoy. No matter how good the results. I don't think it's unreasonable at all for fans to be pissed off when their team is so demonstrably less entertaining than almost every other club in the league.

So how many of those teams fans would swap seasons for ours, so far? Almost all of them, I'd wager. I mean if you'd prefer us to be in Stoke's position in 11th because by those measures they've been better than us then fine. But I suspect you'd be in the minority.

And come off it, Van Gaal's absolutely getting abuse. You might not call it abuse, but he's getting more stick than Moyes did up until the final days despite being demonstrably better.

Recently this question was asked to the Caf:

Which would you prefer?

• Stylish attacking football but not many trophies
  225 vote(s)
  29.4%

• Dull, boring football but consistently winning trophies
  541 vote(s)
  70.6%

So overwhelmingly, people said they were happy, effectively, with what we're looking at this season. Obviously whether we will or won't win anything is impossible to know, but we're a damn sight closer to it that at any point since Ferguson retired. I'd love to have my cake and eat it too, but given the choice I think I'd rather have the relatively tepid success of so far over glorious failure. It might not make us endearing, but it certainly doesn't make us as deserving of the stick we've got this season too, either.

 

[MoskvaRed]

So how many of those teams fans would swap seasons for ours, so far? Almost all of them, I'd wager. I mean if you'd prefer us to be in Stoke's position in 11th because by those measures they've been better than us then fine. But I suspect you'd be in the minority.

And come off it, Van Gaal's absolutely getting abuse. You might not call it abuse, but he's getting more stick than Moyes did up until the final days despite being demonstrably better.

Recently this question was asked to the Caf:



So overwhelmingly, people said they were happy, effectively, with what we're looking at this season. Obviously whether we will or won't win anything is impossible to know, but we're a damn sight closer to it that at any point since Ferguson retired. I'd love to have my cake and eat it too, but given the choice I think I'd rather have the relatively tepid success of so far over glorious failure. It might not make us endearing, but it certainly doesn't make us as deserving of the stick we've got this season too, either.

Using Stoke (or most other teams) as a yardstick is missing the point. Next year we are expected to overtake Real Madrid as the highest earning club in world football, while we are near the bottom of the table in terms of creating chances. We should expect more than we are currently getting.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Using Stoke (or most other teams) as a yardstick is missing the point. Next year we are expected to overtake Real Madrid as the highest earning club in world football, while we are near the bottom of the table in terms of creating chances. We should expect more than we are currently getting.

Well no, I think you're missing the point. Stoke weren't being used as a yardstick, and I'm a little unsure how you came to the conclusion that they were.

 

[Jazz]

You've shifted the argument, but I'll answer you honestly anyway, albeit with a comparison. Tommy Docherty got very few points in his first season, he took over a relegation side true, but points-wise he failed, because he failed to keep us up, we were relegated. Yet it was as thrilling a season as I can remember, his emphasis on youth and attack blazed so bright that we knew with certainty the next season would be not just promotion but glorious, attacking youthful promotion. Seeing as how you brought up short-termism, maybe that will explain the difference.

We're living in a different era now. There's too much pressure financial wise for football clubs to blithely approach things in a cavalier way. Results are key. Yes we would love the all out attack but I think most of our front four can't deliver that. In the meantime, we need to get results one way or another. It's important to stay competitive as you can build on that. When you're sliding down the table (however exciting you play) - that's no good for the club at all. There's too much competition in this league and it becomes hard to climb back up again.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Well no, I think you're missing the point. Stoke weren't being used as a yardstick, and I'm a little unsure how you came to the conclusion that they were.

You askedif we'd prefer to be in Stoke's shoes. Not sure how else to interpret that but no big deal.

 

[Jazz]

You're right, it does represent a massive u-turn.

For what feels like the millionth time, I was feeling extremely fecking twitchy last season, post-Moyes, and completely went off at the deep end. I've been on the Caf for over a decade by the way, everyone is going to have a shocker at one point or another during that sort of period of time. For what it's worth, you could argue that I had more cause - results wise - than a lot of people on here do today.

Thing is, looking at the progress we've made since he took over, I do think Van Gaal deserves credit, and I do think the criticism he's facing is beyond the pale.

We've got fans who want him strung up because the entertainment factor isn't quite there. Many of the same fans refuse to give credit where it's due: We're only second in the league, because it's a poor league. It wasn't a fecking poor league a week or two ago when City and Arse were the top two! We've only got the best defensive record around because Van Gaal insists on possession, as though keeping the ball is a footballing crime. My favourite one is the criticism the manager gets for a lack of entertainment when it's the players failing to put the bloody ball in the net.

Van Gaal isn't without his faults, but it's turned into a witch hunt and, sadly, our fans are at the heart of it.

Like I said in another thread, it's going to be funny on here when we're top on Saturday.

I like your optimism!I hope we do win, cause all the negative press is turning me into a mess tbhI'm clinging on to the hope that the players don't let this affect them.
It seems to me that some of the tension from the crowd is finding it's way on to the pitch, but players need to accept that fans pay their money and are emotionally invested so they will vent if they're unhappy - it's nothing personal. Having said that, I do think that amidst some of our legitimate concerns about some aspects of our play, there are elements of some fans being influenced by media and opposition fans taking the piss out of us. Call it pride or whatever, but it rankles when people call us boring.
Then our ex-players who are very respected join into the 'boring' narrative and it just gets to some of us. Wish it weren't so, but it's human nature I guess. One thing for sure, it's counter productive for the players, so fingers crossed they cope with the pressure.

 

[Feed Me]

I like your optimism!I hope we do win, cause all the negative press is turning me into a mess tbhI'm clinging on to the hope that the players don't let this affect them.
It seems to me that some of the tension from the crowd is finding it's way on to the pitch, but players need to accept that fans pay their money and are emotionally invested so they will vent if they're unhappy - it's nothing personal. Having said that, I do think that amidst some of our legitimate concerns about some aspects of our play, there are elements of some fans being influenced by media and opposition fans taking the piss out of us. Call it pride or whatever, but it rankles when people call us boring.
Then our ex-players who are very respected join into the 'boring' narrative and it just gets to some of us. Wish it weren't so, but it's human nature I guess. One thing for sure, it's counter productive for the players, so fingers crossed they cope with the pressure.

I think we've generally done okay under Van Gaal in the pressurised situations and bigger games. Providing he gets his tactical approach right, which he tends to, I think we will get the result we need to go top.

 

[Jazz]

I think we've generally done okay under Van Gaal in the pressurised situations and bigger games. Providing he gets his tactical approach right, which he tends to, I think we will get the result we need to go top.

I really hope so. Like I said, I'm a mess at the moment more from the constant pressure and negativity coming from everywhere, than I am about our play. I dread if we draw or lose because press and pundits get so arsey it's making me hate 90% of football people inclusive of everyone except football fans. Were it not for my United, I would give up on football as I can't stand the constant circus around it tbh.

 

[NextSeason]

RedCafe is not a good measure of our whole fanbase. It's a good measure of divas.

 

[wiz4231]

"Pathetic, pitiful, disgraceful and an absolute embarrassment"
Were talking about Wane Rooney right?

 

[Spock]

I seriously doubt that Louis's grand plan is to have us play boring football. He wants possession, lots of it, but I have to believe he wants to see faster play when we penetrate the last third. And to be clinical in our finishing.

I'm not enjoying our boring football right now (but I'm happy overall with the results) but I can see where this is going. We may not get there, but the manager and the players are trying.

If we're still looking this bad in March I'll get on the bandwagon but for now I'm still ok with the direction our play is headed. But feck me I wish we could finish better.

 

[Fergus' son]

Good OP.

 

[matherto]

What if you work weekends and are also skint as feck, are you not allowed to complain then that United don't give you some enjoyment as a break from the grim reality of life>

 

[RedFish]

Our fans.

Second in the league, in control of our CL fate.

The reaction in the ground, on the Caf, on Twitter...

Jesus wept.

An extreme reaction to say the least. Perversely, as extreme as the negativity which you clearly disapprove of. See, you're not so different after all.