OT EVACUATED | Device signed as having been recovered, could NOT be detected by sniffer dogs
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Why just not use something that is obviously not a bomb? It seems ridiculous that they used such a life like object. A packet of Monster Munch would have done the job, the people who being trained know its all pretend anyway, so why does the bomb need to look like a bomb.
The MD of the company used in the training exercise previously worked for G4S 'where he was responsible for training guards involved in search and screening'.
That's where the serial number comes in. When contacted on the phone the contractor would have a list of legit serial numbers. Or the club itself might have the list. No one would have to touch the 'bomb'. Just read a number.
THIS IS A DUMMY DEVICE - IF FOUND PLEASE PHONE 0732532662 ... and the bomb explodes when you ring it.
Exactly.
What about when you ring the number on the device which is now labelled as harmless and that actually detonates it.?
What if terrorists start using explosive packets of monster munch?
a) Well shows they need some extra training on where to look.
b) Funny how that works.
Remember reading once about some drug enforcement officers using drug sniffing dogs at a school as a training exercise. They used some actual packets of drugs (from evidence locker or old cases or something) and hid them around the school (it was during summer while school was out). But did the same thing the security company did, forgot one of the packages, which was hidden in one of the lockers. Come the fall when school was back in session, kid gets assigned a locker and finds a bag of drugs in it. The kid alerted the nearest teacher of his find.
Those Flamin' Hot ones are a bit dangerous to be fair.
they know it is a drill, but the issue with training is that you are actually trying to train them on what to look for, so you use something realistic looking.
I can't help but 
at this security agency.
How the hell do you manage to
1. Run a training for your personnel/handlers where they don't find all the items placed for them to find
2. Forget about the above item that wasn't found and walk off giving zero fecks
3. Let 2. happen knowing fully well that it wasn't the sort of item sniffer dogs will find on the routine pre match check
at this security agency.How the hell do you manage to
1. Run a training for your personnel/handlers where they don't find all the items placed for them to find
2. Forget about the above item that wasn't found and walk off giving zero fecks
3. Let 2. happen knowing fully well that it wasn't the sort of item sniffer dogs will find on the routine pre match check
No wonder the sniffer dogs didn't detect the device if they're constantly sniffing for packets of Monster Munch.
It's not like there 5 different designs for a bomb though, is it? They can literally come in all shapes and sizes, and look a hundred different ways. It isn't a Bugs Bunny cartoon where its just that classic textbook bomb look.
Surely they could have an official number for all things bombs, with a redirectory function for companies that are licensed to deal with such things. So the number on the bomb would be a familiar short number, similar to 999, and then if the service is digital, it would also have a company number that you enter after you've called the first number.
i.e. you dial the number (let's say 777, and then when you're connected, you enter the second number listed on the device, say "051", which is also registered in the call-up service, and can then connect you to the company.
I think it's not beyond the ingenuity of man to safely ring the security contractor - perhaps the club might have the number or directory inquiries might be employed?
- and say: 'We found a device at OT. It's labelled ***** and has serial number *****. Is it one of yours?
- and say: 'We found a device at OT. It's labelled ***** and has serial number *****. Is it one of yours?I still find it impossible to believe that nobody at the club would request to know where these devices were placed.
Surely, at some point this would have come up in conversation?
Surely, at some point this would have come up in conversation?
I'd like all the posters who were crying SHAMBLES and EMBARRASSING to come in here and apologise to the normal people.
I think it's not beyond the ingenuity of man to safely ring the security contractor - perhaps the club might have the number or directory inquiries might be employed?
Though in fairness, the security company did sign a piece of paper saying they had taken all 13, with 75,000 people in the stadium, would you then trust someones word if they said 'Ah shit, yep, sorry, I will collect it tomorrow'.
Once they found the device it was almost impossible not to order an evacuation.
That explains a lot then.
It's just two times human error
First human error - Device was forgotten about
Second human error - Device was not discovered in checks.
In future: GPS Tracking on all similar devices, a unique identifying code so that if they are discovered, staff can quickly establish it's just a fake, and obviously more god damned checks.
First human error - Device was forgotten about
Second human error - Device was not discovered in checks.
In future: GPS Tracking on all similar devices, a unique identifying code so that if they are discovered, staff can quickly establish it's just a fake, and obviously more god damned checks.
We have heard one side of the story, and I have previously mentioned the club showed negligence by not knowing where these devices were in the 1st place.
They're trained to recognize a suspicious device among a number of non-suspicious devices. That's a distinction one has to be able to make, I believe. Training them to just "find something" is hardly a great preparation.
Nope, it's too much fuss and cost to set it up for very few incidents like this. Just don't leave these items behind.
I wasn't one of those posters and think it's a bit silly to try and link this to the inept way the football team has been run in recent years but does this statement really clarify how a random member of the public spotted this device when no one within the club did within 4 days?
Why would the club care? It was a test ran by outside services company that did not interest the club. They allowed them to use the stadium trusting them to do their job half properly.
You are on a forum where people say it's a "disgrace" when a team only manages a 2-2 draw.
Then put the directory on the internet. That wouldn't cost much. One extra page on a .gov website.
Hah! You'll be waiting a long time for that. And I'm the meantime there will be more such cries cuz Mourinho hasn't been announced yet
Also, the club doesn't have 76000 employees.
Cleaners must have cleaned before the training, and we use sniffer dogs so probably don't investigate everywhere thoroughly. They'd go in bathroom, not detect anything due to no explosive and move on. We don't know where exactly the device was placed. If it was in a cubicle then would require someone to go in that cubicle which'd most likely either be a cleaner which goes back to the first point.
This is the only part of the story that I find hard to believe
I like the idea that if you found a bomb you'd just step away and spend ten minutes checking some shitty webpage you couldn't remember the name of rather than calling the police and getting people away from the area.
On a slight tangent, Rafa Benitez has a dog like the sniffer one in the pictures: https://twitter.com/rafabenitezweb
"The contractor had signed the device as having been recovered along with the 13 other devices at the end of the exercise."
Someone should teach them how to count. Or they're just lazy and incompetent. Either way shit is coming their way.
The club will have to evaluate how it went undiscovered for 4 days though yet as soon as fans were allowed into the toilets it was spotted. The stadium is used every day for tours, the megastore, the museum, MUTV etc. It's a bit dodgy something so suspect can be sat in the same stadium for that long.
Someone should teach them how to count. Or they're just lazy and incompetent. Either way shit is coming their way.
The club will have to evaluate how it went undiscovered for 4 days though yet as soon as fans were allowed into the toilets it was spotted. The stadium is used every day for tours, the megastore, the museum, MUTV etc. It's a bit dodgy something so suspect can be sat in the same stadium for that long.
I'm not criticizing the evacuation. Just saying they'll probably take a few simple steps to stop it happening again.
So is the club still an embarrassment, or people unsurprisingly overreacting?
He was a whopper.But that super impartial city idiot assured me it was completely Uniteds fault