The club never was an embarassment but there is a problem with the security.
OT EVACUATED | Device signed as having been recovered, could NOT be detected by sniffer dogs
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The club never was an embarassment but there is a problem with the security.
None of which goes anywhere near the NE quadrant. Which is why the security company would have used that area.
Clearly toilets would have been cleaned after the Norwich game and before Wednesday. Leaving no need for unused toilets to be cleaned again prior to fans arriving on matchday.
Regarding how no-one spotted it. Cleaners perhaps should depending on specifics of how it was hidden. But I doubt a random set of toilets in the NW quadrant are used often if st all when no events are on.
The general fan areas are used on matchdays only. In the tour you go to 2 or 3 parts of the stadium, no parts of the tour take in the matchday toilets, surprisingly.
Seems completely normal to me to not check clean toilets for a few days.
Not being funny but have you been to OT? its fecking massive and the vast majority will be used once a week. The megastore, for example, is in a part of the ground not evacuated (east stand). You wouldn't check toilets between the SAF stand and stretford end to run the megastore. The tour doesn't actually go to that corner either.
The museum is in the north stand, but again, matchday areas are not used. Pretty sure mutv wouldn't be using those toilets either!
I wasn't one of those who went with the "embarrasing" tag but, I'm still skeptical as to how it went undetected for 4 days. The club will have to do an internal valuation on that one.
As for the company who carried out the exercise.... Embarrassing
As for the company who carried out the exercise.... Embarrassing
Not satisfied that it was an error. Hopefully proper investigation.
This is the only part of the story that I find hard to believe
I think if I remember right the school was for kids 13 and under. Had it been for the older set, yeah the drugs would have been pocketed and used/sold.
So what else was it then?
Er yeah lots, I was evacuated out of the stadium yesterday too thanks.
I was just pointing out there are people in the stadium every single day for a variety of things, it's not that the stadium was empty since the last home game so device looking like a bomb sat in the stadium for 4 days is concerning. There should be security sweeps before the turnstiles open. People are saying the club has done nothing wrong but I gurantee they will look into this and how it wasn't spotted so it never happens again.
There were. Did you not read the statement?
After briefly working for them while at uni and seeing the kind of morons they hire/how badly organised they are, I wouldn't trust them to protect my packed lunch.
There is a problem there, the cleaners can't be the last people to check the toilets and every room that can be potentially accessed should be checked afterwards. The security should have checked the toilets after the cleaner passage and after the security exercises.
Is it normal for stadiums to do complete searches of their grounds every day or two or only right before events? I have no idea. I could easily see areas of the stadium not being looked at for 3 or more days if the area is not being used on daily basis by the public.
Really interested to find out where specifically the device was hidden and how obvious it was. I mean obviously someone saw it on game day, but was it the first person in, the 100th, the 200th and how did they come to notice it? Was it out in the open? Did the person drop something and happen to look down at just the right spot from just the right angle? Did they look up and notice it strapped to an overhead pipe?
I wonder if we will find out all these little details?
Yes, and the sweeps should have found something that a member of the public found. The club isn't to blame but it doesn't mean our procedures are perfect and can't be improved. They will learn lessons from this.
LVG is still in charge....
I'm sure the guy who found it will come out with his story soon enough.
As for searches of the ground.. If a match kicks off at 3pm...
7am - Pitch and Stadium preparation
10am - Police briefing
12pm - United players arrive
1:30pm - Away players arrive.
So, it should have been spotted, by a member of staff, long before it was.
I'm not saying that's the first thing to do, but this thing went on for several hours, and there was a shitload of people involved with it during. If such a system was in place, I'm sure one person could spare a couple of minutes to look up whether or not it was training device without compromising security.
In which case it's even worse.
Why allow someone into your ground, which if not correctly coordinated could lead to disaster - yet just take their word they had cleaned up?
The club should have personally checked in and out those devices.
Sounds like they did.
Shambling mounds everywhere!
A lot of perfectionists here. The stadium was checked by sniffer dogs by United, nothing was found because there was no chemicals to detect.
It's not crazy to expect people to do their jobs you know. Especially when they sign off on it.
It's not crazy to expect people to do their jobs you know. Especially when they sign off on it.
Yeah why would you trust an ex-counter terrorism chief?
What's emerged today then? I see some folk still trying to say this isn't an embarrassment. Amazingly.
This is sort of reminiscent of stories of surgeons leaving behind instruments, supplies inside of patients. Even when they are supposed to account for everything, people are quite capable of making horrible mistakes.
Didn't that kind of thought process get us in this mess.
It's a simple question, why wouldn't you check someone had cleared their shit up, or at least have a plan of what they were doing.
Clueless.
But who checks that the person who checked did it right?
They probably should have cared though? I mean it's not like they handed them the keys to the local community hall or something, it's Old Trafford.
Surely if they were seen as as a totally unrelated body that had absolutely nothing to do with the club then they shouldn't have been given the run of the place without greater oversight? Alternatively, the club saw them as a group that could be trusted, in which case they have to take at least a small portion of responsibility?
There's a lot still unknown about all of this, but if, for example, it becomes apparent that a cursory visual inspection would have revealed the device then it's not being a perfectionist to expect someone on behalf of the club to do that, it's just expecting them to adhere to their duty of care to the public generally.
It seems the club was presented with documentation stating they had taken all devices away. I worked at a pretty large manufacturing plant and I can tell you not all subcontractors were followed around, watched over and double checked on when they were done. Heck we outsourced our security department and did not hire people to watch over them. For some things, the subcontractors had every day access to areas of the plant with no employee following them around at all.
Or they could just learn to account for their toys at the end of a training session. Someone's head will roll because of this and rightfully so. The GPS suggestion is alright but since it will multiply costs it will never be adopted.
Mate, the costs of a GPS tracker are like £100.
Honestly. I will provide and service the GPS trackers for £150 each per annum (10 tracker minimum contract). Not sure how they will work deep in a building though, but I'll find a way.
Oh nothing much. Just the club being absolved of any blame. Do keep up.
I appreciate that.
However we let a company in with fake bombs, 5 days before a game where 70,000 people would be attending. Just taking someone's word that they had removed the devices isn't good enough for me. Yes, the main responsibility lies with the security company, but I just don't understand how people can't see that the club were to blame, to some extent.
If you were the stadium security manager at Old Trafford, wouldn't you want to check that the fake bombs had been removed? Why leave these things to chance...
At one point in the past rio ferdinand mentioned we have a pr team that would check some of his tweets. Call me crazy but perhaps we should have resources in place where someone would check that fake bombs had been removed from the stadium.
Yeah that's what the counter terrorism expert in charge of the drill was meant to do.
Will be interesting to see how full it is.
in the circumstances anywhere near 50,000 would be very impressive.
Not sure what our locals v distance travellers percentage make up is like. Still has to be a fairly decent percentage of locals surely.
Did they forget to the countless times he's been ticked off? Stuff like the "choc ice" laughter and others?
On the other hand, how often has this sort of thing happened? Had this company ever run a similar test at OT or other places before and not had any issues? Hindsight being 20/20 and all that, I don't think in all the scenarios any of us ever imagined happening that any of us would have thought up this one.