to be fair, i heard barb from accounting, known as the joker of the office, did report that there was a depth charge set in the shitter but everyone laughed it off as another one of her 11 o'clock room clearers.
OT EVACUATED | Device signed as having been recovered, could NOT be detected by sniffer dogs
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to be fair, i heard barb from accounting, known as the joker of the office, did report that there was a depth charge set in the shitter but everyone laughed it off as another one of her 11 o'clock room clearers.
WE will now, but honestly can you really imagine having a "Fake Bomb Removal Checker" on staff prior to Sunday's game? I bet no such position exists on any stadium staff anyplace in the world.
Does seem a strange time to do the test. Surely you'd do it early on in the season, or in the months of summer.
But then no one could forsee such nonsense as this.
Was chuckling, in a sort of gallows humour way (as it's not funny in the slightest the whole mess), when someone said about how some poor chap sat down for a turd, and was faced directly with this dodgy looking, supposed "Bomb" staring at him.
Would have rushed proceedings along!
Yeah if we find out the device was attached in open view with a big sign pointing to it, it will look bad. If it was decently hidden, well we might understand it being missed. Also, was it the first match goer into the bathroom who noticed it or the 100th? How much of a fluke was it that anyone saw it? If it was one of the first few people in, then questions arise. If it was number 100 and he/she only saw it because of a chance glance in the right direction, different issue.
It is worth some laughter at the company and club. It sucks for all those match goers and there should be more compensation coming their way (and probably will be).
In the future any training events will be handled differently just to prevent a repeat, no matter how well hidden or not the device was.
Sub-contractors, signed documents or not, the fact remains we opened our doors with a suspect device inside that none of our pre-game checks spotted. I find that mad. And also slightly sobering. Thankfully it wasn't real.
Yeah I think this is a pretty important point. Any leadership does try to envision any and all scenario's but I am not sure anyone would have thought this one up.
Do the walls between stalls at OT go all the way to the floor or are there spaces at the bottom, maybe the guy who found it was just trying to sneak a peak at his neighbor and got more than he bargained for.
Yeah I think this is a pretty important point. Any leadership does try to envision any and all scenario's but I am not sure anyone would have thought this one up.
Do the walls between stalls at OT go all the way to the floor or are there spaces at the bottom, maybe the guy who found it was just trying to sneak a peak at his neighbor and got more than he bargained for.
pretty sure there's room underneath.
It's funny, most times people make mistakes, it's pretty minor. I made one today, absent mindedly sending one supplier an email with a few sales of another supplier's products. Cue very quick "recall", and no problem!
THIS mistake, wow, cost 76,000 their day, ruined Sky's live game, and any sort of last day drama in the only real "key" thing to be decided (not counting the north London squabble over runners up), and millions of people wanting to watch United.
ANd clearly the £3m bill United have had to take (or at least the insurers) to recompense everyone!
Yeah I think this is a pretty important point. Any leadership does try to envision any and all scenario's but I am not sure anyone would have thought this one up.
Do the walls between stalls at OT go all the way to the floor or are there spaces at the bottom, maybe the guy who found it was just trying to sneak a peak at his neighbor and got more than he bargained for.
Is it really that unlikely? I mean if you allow people to plant fake bombs around Old Trafford four days before a match then surely you consider the possibility that something like this might happen?
The security firm seems to be as organised as a plate of spaghetti in a flood. Give every device you have, a number. After that it has all to do with being able to count. I guarantee it will work better than judging things by how they look.
As mistakes go, this one is pretty costly.
How often has you heard of it happening BEFORE Sunday?
There was a quality thread in general on here, that some guy admitted to some mental behaviour, of smashing some pipe or something in the toilet, that eventually cost his company something like £1m to fix, as there was some huge issues caused by it.
That was pretty special, but this makes that look small time!
'Look, I'll be honest, they didn't need to evacuate the stadium. It was an inanimate device'.
Yes, but who else would know?
I had a run with a running club once in the woods, and the leader had set a little challenge for us. He hit some white t shirts in random places, and drew us maps of the rough locations.
We didn't find 3 of the t shirts...they're probably still out there.
That was a sh!Thouse little running group in darkening woods...
this was a bloody pro training outfit. You'd think as they didn't plant 20,000 fakes that they could remember where they'd put them, and account for them.
Rather than some twat just ticking the box..."yeah we found them all, don't worry"
It's not difficult. Training supervisor arrives with fake bombs and places them in suitable places (hopefully with OT head of security working alongside him) and records where he has put them. At the end of the training session the same person removes the bombs and checks that there are all there. If he has arrived at OT with 30 then he should leave with 30. I would have naturally expected them to follow such a simple protocol in the first place.
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I am sorry but this is bull. If they had a training exercise on the Wednesday and knew of the devices and knew where they were being planted, you would have thought one of the bright minds running OT would have come up with the conclusion it could have been a error?
And from its discovery, right through to the evacuation of the stadium, no one would have thought to call the security firm to confirm?
It really should be that simple. I agree.
It seems the club expected this also, since some reports are quoting Woodie as saying the club was told and presented with paper work that all the devices had been accounted for and removed.
Exactly as often as I had heard of us allowing people to plant fake bombs before a game.
I mean common sense suggest that human error could see something go wrong. Like somebody said earlier in the thread, surgeons leave things behind in people sometimes too. It's not *that* unlikely that someone fecks up.
i'm not sure how much such a person would get paid but if it was me i'd probably want a shit load for approaching a bomb and giving it a little prod and a wire wiggle to check if it was real or not.
yet he dubs it 'an overreaction'.
One question, if it was just a "Training exercise", why did they create something that could be mistaken for a bomb anyway?
It's a token substitute, so why not use some harmless looking thing that wouldn't cause any alarm if it was found!
I agree with this too. Which then would lead you to ask, was it a fake? Is the real truth being kept from the public to avoid panic?
Absolutely. Alternatively, as far as we know, the 'bomb' could have been placed in a fairly hidden spot, and was only found because the guy dropped something near it and bent down to pick it up.
you might think of it as a joke as in 'yea you can use the stadium as long as you don't leaves a bomb behind' but you would never consider it a realistic possibility.
They couldn't take that risk though and rightfully so.
What I don't get is that they knew they were going to hide bombs and didn't think to ask where and double check but I'm sure they will from now on
You can imagine the site manager or whoever joking "don't leave one of those behind eh " There's plenty of errors that happen because of poor procedures up and down the country to be fair, happens at banks often enough we're just unlucky it's made us look like fecking divs in front of everyone.
I like that picture as the warning that it's a prop is clearly on the fecking back lol
Really! Well if that's true then it can only have been a real bomb threat. Maybe that's why Sky's commentators were "patted down" as they entered OT. They did say that it had never happened before. Maybe OT got a "warning" of a bomb before the match but they have chosen to pretend otherwise.
(Sorry if all this has been said, I haven't read all the thread).
That person would know they were fake.
Someone cannot count, or is too easy going in their job. Before you hand these things(articial bombs) out you need to count how many you have handed out. And if you do not get the same amount back then one (or more)of the mudderfeckers is still missing, and could be mistaken for a real bomb shortly before a major match.. OK?
still leaves room for a mix up or a cock up, which is exactly what happened on sunday. there is plenty of scope to call
the club incompetent or shite, not sure sunday was one. airports get evacuated on the reg for suspect packages.
That prop is pretty big, how hard is it to count 13 of them FFS. They sound like a bunch of cowboys. They obviously didnt note down anywhere how many they had placed down or where and at the end of the day just tried to go off memory where they put them down and retrieved them. Amatuers.
I'm sure we have stadium security manager, not blaming him / her, but their job should include knowing exactly what was happening that day, what the devices looked like and where they were going - it's basic shit.
If you owned a company wouldn't you want to inform staff / your managers that there are going to be fake bombs planted around? Especially a company that deals with 1000s of the public and the dangers that this could lead to if not dealt with properly.
What?
'Look, I'll be honest, they didn't need to evacuate the stadium. It was an inanimate device'.
Yes, but who else would know?
Reading the full link, the head of the security outfit admits he counted the devices in, but as he also had a similar one with him, he counted that one as the missing one!
What a genius! Bloody hell!
So now this test took place with nobody at all being told about it? Where did that come from?
Seems obvious doesn't it.
Let key security people, ie the people who I expect any huge call like calling the game off have to be made through, know such a thing has happened, and they can view a pic of the device and say
"don't worry, the idiots doing testing in midweek have missed one"
So you rather the club takes the risk on thousands of lives because it "could" have been a dud.
Perspective needed.
They couldn't take that risk though and rightfully so.
What I don't get is that they knew they were going to hide bombs and didn't think to ask where and double check but I'm sure they will from now on
There's plenty of errors that happen because of poor procedures up and down the country to be fair, happens at banks often enough we're just unlucky it's made us look like fecking divs in front of everyone.
What risk? call the security company that was there 4 days earlier planting fake bombs around the stadium
I can't see how hard it can be to send someone from the club round to check they had taken everything they needed to. It's common sense.
It's not hindsight, it's not because this have never happened before, it's negligence from the club.
Whaddaya mean, What?