OT EVACUATED | Device signed as having been recovered, could NOT be detected by sniffer dogs

.Rossi said:
Have schedules changed in recent years? It used to be that the team/teams would arrive 3 hours before kick off
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Around 90 minutes. For the Spurs game the police redirected us to a road with a low bridge which caused the hold up. For both the Spurs and West Ham games we weren't even that far away, just external circumstances made us late. You'd think the police in London would have had a good idea that the road they directed us towards had a low bridge on.
 
Damien said:
Around 90 minutes. For the Spurs game the police redirected us to a road with a low bridge which caused the hold up. For both the Spurs and West Ham games we weren't even that far away, just external circumstances made us late. You'd think the police in London would have had a good idea that the road they directed us towards had a low bridge on.
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Nah the club should ignore what the police tell them do. Feck the police, we are Manchester United!
 
Ultimate responsibility lies with us I'm afraid, they're an outside agency that we hired to train our staff, it's our responsibility to ensure we've made the place safe for the public again following the operation that we organised.

I know they get it from all angles but for once it's our London based fans along with the Irish daytrippers and Asian tourists that I really feel sorry for.
 
I'd love to see the emails/hear the conversations that have been had today.
 
We're going to win 19-0 tomorrow due to a "suspect package" being delivered to the Bournemouth dressing room shortly before kick off.
 
JustAFan said:
Well leaving it there was pretty dumb by the company who did it, that we can all agree on.
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It's dumb if they left it there by mistake sure. I don't believe in giving people an easy way out and IF is the key word. It needs a proper investigation. Will we get one? Probably not.
 
starman said:
:lol:

I know its not funny, as it could have been real, but i could just imagine the guy who found it, sitting down to take a shit, seeing a bomb staring back at him.
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feck. That would be a really scary moment. I'd love for whoever found it to come forward, although some chancer will probably come out lying.
 
Doesn't do the club any favours with regard to the questions of how we're being run from top to bottom.
 
rcoobc said:
feck. That would be a really scary moment. I'd love for whoever found it to come forward, although some chancer will probably come out lying.
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He'll prob sue us for emotional trauma, and his solicitor will give evidence that "he's afraid to go into a toilet anymore", prob get £60,000 compensation in this age we live in.
 
Device not contained any explosives, was marked as having been recovered
Executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward said: “The safety of the fans is our number one aim at every event we host at Old Trafford. Overall, I'm proud of how our staff responded.

The facts are:

• On the discovery of a suspect package, the police and the club worked quickly and closely to identify the threat, make people safe and evacuate the ground calmly and efficiently.
• Fans of both clubs behaved impeccably and the evacuation – the first of its type in the UK – was a complete success.
• Following investigation, the device proved to have been left in error following the training of dog handlers by a sub contractor.
• The contractor had signed the device as having been recovered along with the 13 other devices at the end of the exercise.
• That device could not have been detected by sniffer dogs on the routine matchday search of the 100 Club, as it contained no explosives and was used in an exercise training handlers not dogs.

“Once a live situation was identified, the club and police had no option but to treat the matter as a potential terror threat; we could not have assumed it was a training exercise error. Presented with the same situation in the future, we would take the same action.

“We have worked very closely with the police and counter terrorism specialists for many years now and enjoy their support on a daily basis.

“For tomorrow’s (Tuesday) rearranged match against Bournemouth, we are working closely with Greater Manchester Police to ensure that robust security measures continue to be of the highest priority.

“We are conducting a detailed evaluation with the help of the police and will share our findings across the rest of the game. Valuable lessons will have been learned from yesterday’s events and it is important that those are shared with other stadium operators to ensure that the safety of the public remains the first duty of us all.”
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http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
 
Minimalist said:
Doesn't do the club any favours with regard to the questions of how we're being run from top to bottom.
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It does actually.

Edit: Some baffling comments on here and on Twitter regarding the whole situation. I did not expect that at all, to be honest.
 
ralphie88 said:
So they have just essentially paid out around £3m in compensation to ticket holders out of the goodness of their hearts then?
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Why is that so unbelievable? I don't know why some are so convinced that the club is run by some evil men that don't care about the relationship with the fans.
 
cold-zebra said:
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
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• The contractor had signed the device as having been recovered along with the 13 other devices at the end of the exercise.
• That device could not have been detected by sniffer dogs on the routine matchday search of the 100 Club, as it contained no explosives and was used in an exercise training handlers not dogs.
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Okay... it's beginning to make sense now.
 
This does reek a bit of the De Gea fax machine situation though.

"Not our fault guv, blame the other guy".
 
So it unequivocally wasn't our fault. Can we all apologise to lovely Ed now?
 
rcoobc said:
This does reek a bit of the De Gea fax machine situation though.

"Not our fault guv, blame the other guy".
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Facts would indicate that the external company contractor majorly blundered.
 
Zoo said:
Facts would indicate that the external company contractor majorly blundered.
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Of course they did, but as we've been discussing for 20 pages, United should have found it in the intervening 4 days

Now if it doesn't contain anything that can be found by sniffer dogs, and was in a place that no one was likely to find it... Well maybe United are truly blameless.
 
Well i think that security firm will no longer be used. G4S may be available though.
 
Gatti33 said:
I don't think you can insure against stupidity!
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Insurance companies do sell insurance against negligence and employee misconduct as well as many other things that could fall into the stupid category. It's just a question of whether you want to pay for it. I run an IT service business and have insurance to protect against data loss whether it came from hardware failure or something an employee did. I'd imagine a security firm would need pretty substantial coverages due to the nature of their work. Any business that hires another business will also require proof of insurance or a certificate of insurance with coverage levels. It protects both the client and the business because shit happens, just like Sunday.
 
Media are awfully quiet on Woody's statement.

All gutted that it absolves us of any blame.
 
So the security company made and planted a device that

a) their own team of experts whose job it is to find and disarm devices couldn't find and
b) sniffer dogs couldn't find cause technically it wasn't actually an explosive device of any sort

I feel like they're not really getting the point of the whole 'security test' thing.
 
Will Absolute said:
I imagine in future such devices will be clearly labelled as bogus, and display a serial number and phone number of the contractor to enable a quick check. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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What if a terrorist sticks a similar sign on their device?
 
Will Absolute said:
I imagine in future such devices will be clearly labelled as bogus, and display a serial number and phone number of the contractor to enable a quick check. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Would be easy enough for terrorists to do similar. People aren't going to check a device like that until a controlled explosion has taken place. Too risky.
 
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