Clearly getting confused. The figure of £7.5b is the generation for the economy according to reports. Cost of the stadium likely to be ~2b (realistically 86b considering how costly and inefficient big projects are in the UK)
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium
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Yes.
Opps. I read 7.5 somewhere my bad.
2bn? Plus interest etc comes to 2.5 spread over 10 years is close to 20M per month.
All possibilities. Ineos might also pay for the stadium and then lease it back to the club, although that would leave United in the peculiar position of not owning their own stadium (City, who are in this position, don't seem too bothered though).
Lots of options, but without knowing what the plan is, it is difficult for us (as fans) to really evaluate the project as a whole. Someone involved needs to give us a bit of a steer.
Santiago Bernabeu's costs were about 1.8 so should be around that max. I guess our stadium is in worse condition than Bernabeu was.
Yes my bad. But i still doubt 7.5 bn generated. It's not like we're building OT from scratch on a new town. The stadium is there and close to maximum potential (75k seaters) a new stadium wont likely generate much more to the local economy
You still pay the market price for a prawn sandwich regardless of how great the stadium is
Hosting more concerts, Rugby/NFL/whatever with multilayer grounds. All those events generate more for the club.
Glaston would be proud
Unfortunately, that's the way now. You have to have multi-purpose for your stadiums - unless you don't want to make money.
I don't know anything about the ins and outs of financing and using a stadium, this was mostly tongue in cheek. I remember us giving Glaston grief though over similar suggestions
I think that could be the best for now until the ownership issues with the Glazers are sorted because I don't see them putting a penny in or even parting with equity (or diluting it) so that Ineos could fund the new construction. Ineos make what? Around £2bn per year in profits so it could be feasible for them to fund it from their resources, over 3 years and then engineer a lease to buy arrangement with the club later.
Not doable with the EPL tight shedule. Maybe a few concerts on end of season but I doubt it's doable for a club battling 4 fronts each year.
Glaston is sadly missed on here.
Will come from debt and naming rights.
Spurs have a license for 16 or 32 non footy events a year. Theres loads on in summer. And if the pitch is retractable theres no reason why you cant do football one day and boxing/concerts the next.
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Perhaps, although doing side at a time would increase the time taken to complete. I am personally in favour of a new stadium, but only on the basis that the change would be so significant, it would be the old stadium in nothing but name. Or the change so little that it doesn’t allow us to financially compete in years to come.
I also understand the clubs view that a stadium experience is about £££ …. I have never cared too much about the concourse / shops because so having shiny new cheese rooms and restaurants makes little difference to me, but I’m not the target audience unfortunately. I’m the 50% of the crowd who come at KO and go at full time, but they would like another 50k of day trippers to fill the coffers … it’s the way of the world.
Not sure I follow that bolded part.
It would take longer no doubt. The biggest issue United have is the only realistic option for United to play games is the Etihad and I don't think that is happening.
Ok I've never heard that it could be the case. But how have Liverpool and City been able to undertake major expansions to their stadiums without moving then?
They had space
Also it’s perfectly feasible to play at OT whilst the new ground is built around it.
Liverpool are about 20 years behind us.
See this part is just ridiculous.
You talk as if its the same stadium from 100 years ago. What history was carried over from the rebuilds from then to now that can't be carried over to a rebuild this time? What part of the current stadium was from 100, 90 or 80 years ago?
Instead of doing it a stand at a time (which has happened over the last 100 years a few times) we'd be doing it all at once, in the same area and hopefully still call it Old Trafford. So what exactly would be the difference?
You are talking about a stadium name, not a stadium.
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Looks like supermarket plastic bucket
Stop taking a jab at day tripper as if going to OT is a walk in the park. Most overseas fans have to be super wealthy to come to UK and attend a match. It's not something 50K can fill on weekly basis.
Some have to save for years and that didnt even cover the basic
If 50k of fans in a match day are day trippers then where are the local fans? Dont tell me they can't fill the stadium? It's just a bus ride away for most of yourse
The £7.5b is the return projected in growth to the UK economy, courtesy of a new stadium, job creation and redevelopment within the immediate area.
I bet the Jim Reaper can’t wait till put loads more people in work just so that he can fire them again.
Given we have around 50k season ticket holders & 2500-3000 away fans that leaves at most 20k day trippers.
If we expanded or built new to 100,000 most likely we would have 70k season ticket holders, 3000 away fans and then about 27k day trippers.
It’s certainly feasible they would sell an extra 10-15k to fans who come 2/3 times a year instead of 20 times. I’m one of those people who come once or twice generally who would come 4-5 times if tickets were more available.
He won’t be the employer of people working at a local Nandos or whatever goes in to the local regeneration.
The US is a very different beast and what's done there is not what will happen here, many US stadiums are partly funded by local taxpayers who are leveraged by the fact that since the teams are franchises and can (and do) up sticks to a city that will fund the stadium
That could never happen in the UK, you could never get the national government never mind local to cough up such funding and there's also the fact that most of the large cities in England have a professional sports team, the NFL has 32 teams, MLB, NBA and NHL have 30, MLS has 29, the US has a lot of cities that have no prefessional teams
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That is what I would have thought but the othe poster is saying it's against Premier Legaue rules. Though I've never heard that before.
So are some UK stadiums. I get what you're saying though, I don't think we'll ever be as bad as the US but I do think even in the UK, stadiums in the future will have a much shorter lifespan than they did in the 20th century. The Emirates is 20 years old I don't see it hitting 40 without major renovations or even a rebuild. Same with most other 21st century stadiums in England.
Again, my only wish is that fans are still on top of the pitch. Adds way more to the atmosphere
My worry is that they don’t really care too much about things like that.
I imagine we’ll see more tourists at Old Trafford that want the padded seat experience with swanky restaurants and experiences.
I’d really hope the additional 25k seats will be used to reduce the season ticket waiting list and prioritise local fans but I highly doubt it.
I imagine we’ll see more tourists at Old Trafford that want the padded seat experience with swanky restaurants and experiences.
I’d really hope the additional 25k seats will be used to reduce the season ticket waiting list and prioritise local fans but I highly doubt it.
Put a roof on it and it looks like a Uni.
True. At least it isn’t a bowl.
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Looks like something you'd use to wash your salad in
Regarding lifespan I'd not disagree, US stadiums do get renovated/reused quite a bit more than you might think though, I don't see the Emirates getting demolished but a renovation certainly
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It’s already changed beyond recognition since a Fergie took over, never mind before that. History/heritage doesn’t stand still.
It’s already changed beyond recognition since a Fergie took over, never mind before that. History/heritage doesn’t stand still.