For me, new stadium. We have to be practical. It will cost more in the long run if we keep the old stadium. In addition to that we have to keep up with the new technologies.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium
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I’m not taking a jab at anyone, I have to now trek from London for games and because I have two small children, can only make it 3-4 times a year (so it could be said I am “daytripper” myself. I 100% understand the huge effort that is made by thousands of fans that travel from Ireland, Scandinavia and other distances which costs a small fortune. My point it, the club and its accountants want a stadium which will generate the most money per match day and that requires a large number of supporters who will utilise the facilties, club shop and all the bells and whistles.
Sorry that didn’t read very well. I meant that any likely renovation to the current stadium would likely be so significant, that it would essentially be a rebuild (£1.5bn is being banded around). Whereas building a “new” stadium literally adjacent would be far more cost effective. Not cheaper, but cost effective as building from scratch rather than a full renovation is easier. I hope that makes more sense?
Feels like the stadium we'd have built in 1990s if we decided on a new stadium back thenAI on the ball.
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A new stadium does seem the most sensible choice.
However I do fear modern architecture. I am so tired of seeing glass and steel monstrosities everywhere I go (goes for stadiums and just buildings in general really).
The dream would be a new stadium, but taking inspiration from the past, using bricks as much as possible.
Though I am neither a builder nor architect, so not sure how feasible or cost effective (shudders) that would be.
On a sidenote - anyone know what the expected life-spans of these modern type glass/steel stadiums are? My gut tells me that it's shorter than stone.
However I do fear modern architecture. I am so tired of seeing glass and steel monstrosities everywhere I go (goes for stadiums and just buildings in general really).
The dream would be a new stadium, but taking inspiration from the past, using bricks as much as possible.
Though I am neither a builder nor architect, so not sure how feasible or cost effective (shudders) that would be.
On a sidenote - anyone know what the expected life-spans of these modern type glass/steel stadiums are? My gut tells me that it's shorter than stone.
I thought the bricks thing too, then someone, Spoons I think, pointed out that the local area doesn't have lots of old brick buildings anymore. So a fake one might look well out of place. I don't know now, I'd love to see some different preliminary designs to compare.
Looking at google maps, seems a lot of the newer buildings and larger buildings have been glass-and-steelified already. But there seem to still be a fair bit few old rows of brick houses.
Could be a way to fight the tide? (the romantic in me I guess).
The area strikes me as perfect for a recreational area - a river-walk with food stands, green park area, etc.
My big fear would probably be(especially since Jim seems very taken by the American style stadiums) that we will get a soulless shopping complex.
There is red brick houses surrounding Old Trafford. And throughout Manchester.
Not quite surrounding, but I know what you mean. Now look at the larger buildings of Salford Quays, stunning architecture, a totally different world to not that long ago really. And I think when the marshalling yards and the associated warehouses go they won't be replaced by little houses whatever happens to the stadium.
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They could use bricks but you'd need more bricks throughout the new district. I suspect if Foster's got anything to do with I doubt he'll use bricks. Besides I don't think they'll use Victoria Warehouse has inspiration for a new stadium and surrounding area. Who knows though eh. Anyway looks like they'll probably start building a new stadium this year on the carcpark and eventually on the freight depot when they buy it. Ratcliffe wants it fast tracked.
They could use bricks but you'd need more bricks throughout the new district. I suspect if Foster's got anything to do with I doubt he'll use bricks. Besides I don't think they'll use Victoria Warehouse has inspiration for a new stadium and surrounding area. Who knows though eh. Anyway looks like they'll probably start building a new stadium this year on the carcpark and eventually on the freight depot when they buy it. Ratcliffe wants it fast tracked.
If the club sold decent booze and food, many fans would probably get there earlier and spend more money.
It's always confused me, in its quest to make more money, the club seemingly focuses on everyone other than the "ordinary" fans.
Hopefully.
Yes I get what you're saying now mate. Though Real have shown what a significant renovation can achieve, Barcelona are going down the same route.
Ultimately I think Ineos and Ratcliffe want a new stadium and that's what will eventually happen regardless of what the fans think.
Everton's new place is a good mixture of brick and metal/glass. It can be done if the will is there. Let's not forget architects love to be different though, make a statement and leave a legacy. I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with a 'WTF is that' design, especially as it's going to be the focus of the regenerated area.
I also don't see why people think ticket prices will rocket in a new build but presumably not in a renovated OT, a rebuild that will be a new build in all but name, especially when it would mean reduced capacity for a few years while each stand is replaced. Prices will rise no matter what happens.
I also don't see why people think ticket prices will rocket in a new build but presumably not in a renovated OT, a rebuild that will be a new build in all but name, especially when it would mean reduced capacity for a few years while each stand is replaced. Prices will rise no matter what happens.
This best stadium in the world might be used for championship games at the rate we are going.
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Bricks? Nah, way too old and tacky for a modern stadium.
I’d love a new stadium, but all of the very clear signs are that we don’t have anything like the resources to deliver anything other than a ‘lick and stick’ on the existing stadium. Ratcliffe is economising left right and centre, staff are being sacked, club greats are being marginalised to save costs, we constantly hear that we have to sell players before we can buy etc. Then, in the next breath, they are talking about a £2billion stadium. It feels like propaganda to keep the rank and file in place. Let’s get the roof properly fixed - that would be a start.
Deepdale, Preston North End's ground, is 150 years old today, the oldest continuously-used league ground in the world.
I'll always love this place and I hope we never leave.
It’s cramped, the roof is fooked, it’s mice infested, the food always runs out before half time and if you do get some it’s overpriced garbage, the trek to the top of the North Stand is a slog, the concourses aren’t fancy and are cramped….
…and I bloody love it.
It’s how football should be in my opinion. Not eating salmon while sitting in a padded seat.
I would love the expansion but not just so we have the biggest stadium but because the lad and I are in the season ticket waiting list. If we had season tickets I’d be happy for it to stay exactly as is.
I completely get that last paragraph. I think my main concern with a new ground is gonna be the push towards more corporate stuff, meaning more seats won't equal more season tickets
They really don't want ordinary people like us in the ground.
The whole stadium district will be geared towards raking in as much cash from the fans as possible, especially ones from afar. I hope we stay at OT. But we'll end up moving. Sadly, there's too much money to be made.
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I don’t think it will be a case of way more corporate seats, more they might follow the City route of having fewer season tickets so they can sell more one off tickets for the tourists.
I think it’s already been decided. Everything surrounding it suggests a new stadium.
They’re already increasing ticket prices next season and no doubt will raise them again for a new stadium.
I imagine there will be far more tourists from around the world which will seriously affect the atmosphere in the stadium.
It will become a spectacle more than a football match and that it absolutely gutting.
Yep. Ratcliffe wants it fast tracked. Sure the new stadium will be state of the art, and yeah OT isn't the most modern or the prettiest stadium in the land but most will bemoan they've lost a stadium with decades of history. Personally I'd just extend the North Stand three tiers up to the South Stand. Obviously we'd have to demolish parts of the ground...but better that than moving. And regretting it.
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I’d expand the South Stand to match the North but also would explore if you could expand the Stretford, East and all 4 quadrants to match. If you get rid of the exterior you could make the concourses larger to accommodate more kiosks etc if they want to bleed the fans a bit more.
You'd expand the Stretford End? Three tier? Would look great if the South Stand was three tier and all. If Ratcliffe can't get his new stadium then they'll rebuild OT stand by stand.
Yeah! Why not have 3 tiers round the entire stadium? If you expand the stadium outwards and redesign the shell like Barca and Real there’s nothing stopping them from even adding further rows to the third tier in the North and wrapping it around the whole stadium so it’s an even bowl.
It would take it closer to 100k (and closer to me and the lad getting a season ticket ).
The problem would be that if we did it like Barca/Real we’d need to play elsewhere for lord knows how long
This is the future for all top clubs, especially when the Super league arrives.
City's legal exploits/victories will blow a hole in the PL. Once the dust settles and the PL realise their FFP rules are nonsense in the new world of mass 'pay-per-view' outlets like, Disney+, Amazon (Prime), Paramount+, etc.
This is when a second attempt to launch a super league will occur.
Sound finances are required to stop clubs being asset-stripped, but this is in the lower leagues. It's the rules set and monitored by a Government Regulator, that determines who can own football clubs that could hold sway, and if you really want 'fairness' to be included.... otherwise it is make as much money as you can, and/or operate a sports washing agenda, hence extremely rich owners (Nation states etc.) will become the elite, operating in a super league.
If you have an old Season ticket, hold on to it, hand it down to your kids, will be worth a fortune, in time.
Still ignoring the fact there's a railway line to overcome, cramped seats and a cost that is almost as much as a brand new stadium
They’ve said one of the two options is to build over the railway so it obviously isn’t an issue.
Cramped? Absolutely fine. Think it’s how it should be. It’s a football terrace, not a cinema.
It may cost as much as a new stadium but this way we get to keep OT. I’d much rather that
Extension over the railway line would cost too much. But the rest three tier would be great. Sod leg extra room, beautiful concourses...just extra bums on seats for cheap as possible. Pie in the sky..but heh.
I don’t think it would be, it’s one of the two options the club have said they’re considering. If they couldn’t make it work it wouldn’t be an option.
I’d rather spend more on OT and have shit pies and sold out hotdogs over padded seats and a sushi bar
It won't cost anywhere as a new stadium. And it'd cost under a billion of we knock it down stand by stand and build something state of the art. But knocking down Stretford End and K stand second tiers for something like the North Stand would be far cheaper.
The railway still makes it very complicated, maybe not technically impossible but its fraught with problems
As for legroom, the miniumum expecation should be that your knees aren't up by your chin, people are larger these days and I'm not talking about the lardy arses, I'm 6" 2' and when I was younger that was considered to be quite tall, now I'd be considered one of the short-arses by many!
Keeping the stadium in Old Trafford is a big preference for me, but the current stadium, nope, it bears no resemblence to my memories of attending games
I’m more vertically…. challenged
Fair enough but that's a real problem for a lot of people though, mind you, even you would probably have struggled in the old Stretford seats back in the day, those make Ryanairs look spacious
What I love about watching a game at OT is that feeling of history, knowing the likes of Best, Charlton, Law, Robson, Hughes, Giggs, Beckham, Keane, Cantona etc etc have all played on that same pitch. That powerful and sentimental feeling of nostalgia will be lost in a new stadium. There may be some design features possible to maintain the look and feel of OT in the new stadium which may help so I’d hope they do that