Should be a simple matter to lure them into the traps once the new cheese room has been built in our 100k 'Wembley of the North'.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium
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Should be a simple matter to lure them into the traps once the new cheese room has been built in our 100k 'Wembley of the North'.
Its obvious they want a new stadium, and rightly so. They are just making it look as though they investigated keeping OT to keep the fans onside.
mice don't like kits
A new stadium seems the sensible option along with regeneration of the surrounding area. Guaranteed , it’ll pay for itself within a few years of completion with a projected revenue estimated at just over £7.5billion
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There should be an auto delete function for anytime 'new trafford' and 'soulless bowl' are entered in the thread.
Agreed
How the feck you gonna stop mice, stadiums are designed to let people in
If y,ou. want to trap mice then you should use chocolate, the idea that mice love cheese is a myth that originated in the Middle Ages.
It should be a thread ban
We should build a mouse stadium next to OT.
That would resolve the issue.
That would resolve the issue.
After visiting Arsenal‘s tired rundown stadium I kind of want a regeneration of old Trafford now how quickly THEIR New shiny house has become a dull of a washed out bowl we might as well keep our soul and just improve the corporate areas and space out the seat in a little bit
They also love peanut butter
Why?
It’s a legitimate concern. OT is and has been the heartbeat and soul of United for the past 100 years. For a club that already feels so alien to the club most of us grew up supporting, leaving OT, ripping it down and creating a brand new stadium with no history just takes it another step further away.
Give me stadiums like Anfield, Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro all day everyday over brand new state of the art stadiums like The Emirates, Tottenham Hotspur stadium, Etihad etc etc These stadiums are part of these great clubs history. It’s what makes them unique. At this rate every club is gonna end up with the same looking stadium and even more of the romance of football (which is already being ripped away) will be gone.
As a kid I will never forget the first time I went to OT. It was the most exciting thing I could image. Walking into the stadium where I’d seen all these incredible players and teams playing on TV and videos as a I grew up. Feeling the history as I walked through the turnstiles and then that feeling when I walked out and saw the pitch for the first time. It still gives me goosebumps thinking about it now. That’s what football should be about. Take that away and we’re just another big club with a brand new shiny stadium like the rest. OT is a huge part of what makes Manchester United so special.
I completely agree. There's something truly irreplaceable about the history and atmosphere of iconic stadiums like Old Trafford that makes football feel so magical.
But unfortunately, staying in our current stadium will likely mean we'll never get a cheese room and that just won't do.
I am not a mouse.
I agree. I feel a little out of place when I see how strong the consensus is to build a new stadium. Once OT is gone, it's gone, including all the memories and heritage. Never mind the fact that a new stadium will come with new stadium ticket prices. Honestly, this new stadium idea just sounds like a way to extract more money from fans. Not in favor, at all.
Good post. Be it young or old we all remember our first visit to Old Trafford, a stadium steeped in history in tradition and now to replace it with a new Soulless Stadium? no thanks Jim!
I don't really get where the supposed majority comes from. I'm in a group chat with 70 odd STHs and only one has ever said they think a new stadium would be their preference, everyone else has said rebuild is preferred. I've got mates in similar group chats with people round them all over the stadium and while there is a little more variance the overall feeling in all of them are rebuilds. But then the club survey results did say that it was mainly older supporters who wanted a new stadium which figures really, leave a mess for the rest of us to pay for.
Yeah the club's survey seems to tally with this here Redcafe poll. Maybe those in favour of a new stadium are just louder than those who aren't, I don't know. But just from reading this thread, I feel very much in the minority.
Agree with everything you said. My dad grew up at OT, so whenever I’m there, I feel connected to him, to our shared history supporting United, and to all the great players and teams the both of us have seen there. He’ll never visit any new stadium (not out of any principle, but out of having passed away), so that would strip all those connections away from me. I know I’m only one supporters, but the club’s made up of millions of us and I don’t imagine my story’s all that unique.
I dont really see how you could keep OT without demolishing 3 stands. There wouldnt be much left of it you may as well start again.
Spurs have shown you can make an iconic new stadium. Atleticos is also pretty good. There are lots of examples in the US of great new stadiums. Atlanta, So fi, Minnesota Vikings and so on.
The only downside I see is that alot of people will get priced out when they hike the ticket prices.
Spurs have shown you can make an iconic new stadium. Atleticos is also pretty good. There are lots of examples in the US of great new stadiums. Atlanta, So fi, Minnesota Vikings and so on.
The only downside I see is that alot of people will get priced out when they hike the ticket prices.
Obviously New Trafford doesn't really make sense since the area itself is Old Trafford. But at the same time it does pay homage to what came before better than something like INEOS Stadium or some other brand name would.
I wonder if we're building on basically the same site whether we might look to keep the Old Trafford name, even though it's a completely different stadium. But I presume we'll sell the naming rights and end up with a brand name which is probably the worst option for me.
So no retractable roof planned for this new stadium then?
People really believe 7.5bn new stadium? When they even cut SAF pension package?
Ratcliff is 70. He probably wont feel the urge to take a 7.5Bn debt which may take 10-15 years to service.
Unlike Highbury which only holds like 40k seats it make sense to spend on a new stadium and profit from the long run.
OT are already on 75k a brand new stadium wont generate anything more unless you sell the names and raise the price absurdly. Even a 100K seaters will have to reduce the price. We're the biggest club in England but another 25k would mean tickets are available and there will be slower demand
It's the new buyer trick of fooling the fans they're in it for the long haul. I'll believe it when i see it
I dont even think we had the money for initial feasibility study which would cost tens of millions alone
Ratcliff is 70. He probably wont feel the urge to take a 7.5Bn debt which may take 10-15 years to service.
Unlike Highbury which only holds like 40k seats it make sense to spend on a new stadium and profit from the long run.
OT are already on 75k a brand new stadium wont generate anything more unless you sell the names and raise the price absurdly. Even a 100K seaters will have to reduce the price. We're the biggest club in England but another 25k would mean tickets are available and there will be slower demand
It's the new buyer trick of fooling the fans they're in it for the long haul. I'll believe it when i see it
I dont even think we had the money for initial feasibility study which would cost tens of millions alone
Clubs dont make money from general admission fans on average.
Its the premium to super premium seats that bring in the cash. Spurs seats going from 5k to 30k a season all around the 3 tiered middle bit of the new ground. Even seats behind the goal for £2.5k.
Its not about pure capacity nowdays, its how many premium seats and function rooms and michelen star dining etc and the other sports events and concerts that bring in the cash.
The plebs will basically be behind the goals and in the gods in the new stadium. With all the best seats costing an absolute fortune.
I remember my first visit to OT, but if you transported me from then to now I would tell you that you gone to the wrong place, the stadium today bears zero resemblence to it from the outside and inside only the Sir Bobby Stand is recognizable from my first visit
The stadium isn't 7.5bn though as you full well (probably) know, so SJR won't be on the hook for that, a new stadium is generally thought to be around the 2bn mark, the rest is taxpayer funds for urban regeneration and infrastructure projects
That is correct of course. The question is, where does the £2bn come from. Nobody involved in the project has given much indication thus far.
If United are demolishing Old Trafford, they also have the existing debt to deal with (for which the current stadium is collateral).
My best guess is that Ratcliffe will put some of his own money in and the club will issue more shares to him (like they have for the $300m he put in last year), they'll get someone locked in for naming rights straight away to pay for a bit more, and the rest will be taken out with another loan. Not sure exactly how the loan part will work, whether it will be directly against the club or whether INEOS will take it out in their name. If the latter, the club would either still have to eventually pay it back (but there would probably be much better terms) or perhaps the sum of that loan would once again be recompensed with more shares. Ratcliffe/INEOS will probably push for that, but it depends on whether the Glazers agree.
That would ruin us financially, taking on more debt. No wonder he never talked about the debt when he was talking about bringing mthe Manchester back into Manchester..I think he probably meant Manchester City Council.
Whatever happens I hope the future stadium is very close to the current one, not put on the outskirts with no transport options (like Salford Community Stadium). Keep it in the footprint of the current OT land boundaries please
But not Yorkie, they hate that.
There's people who've said if United build a new stadium that that would be the club sorted for the next 100 years but it would be nowhere near that. We'd do well to get 30 years out of it before it looks dated, is behind the times and needs renovated or replaced. And that's the major problem with shiny new state of the art stadiums they don't stay shiny new and state of the art for long. In US Sports the average lifespan of a stadium is now only 24 years before it's torn down and replaced. Over the last 30 years a lot of teams start making plans to demolish their stadium and build a new one only 15-18 years after moving into it. I imagine Football will be going the same way in the near future.
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I genuinely hope we don't, if we're demolishing Old Trafford then lets leave the name to history. A new stadium would never be OT so we might as well make a few quid off naming rights.
whilst preferable to many to renovate OT, it’s hard to gauge without knowing the extent of the works. If it’s a Barcelona/Real Madrid type project, then absolutely, but that would mean moving for 2-3 years.
Not necessarily the club didn't have to move during 6 expansions/renovations in the 90s and 00s. Some of them were pretty involved. Like the North stand rebuild.
It's the League's and International's requirement to move for that kind of construction now. For safety etc reasons.
The Premier League?