Mice on the pitch at OT have been a thing since the 90s at least, probably even longer.
Should be a simple matter to lure them into the traps once the new cheese room has been built in our 100k 'Wembley of the North'.
Mice on the pitch at OT have been a thing since the 90s at least, probably even longer.
A new 100k stadium still looks to be the likeliest outcome, it's what the owners wanted. It would be the best way to give us the upper hand against all our rivals, the task force was basically set up to look for ways to make that possible.
mice don't like kitsGet him a little kit, in fairness, the mouse can't be worse than Lenny Yoro.
Bowl Trafford.There should be an auto delete function for anytime 'new trafford' and 'soulless bowl' are entered in the thread.
AgreedThere should be an auto delete function for anytime 'new trafford' and 'soulless bowl' are entered in the thread.
If y,ou. want to trap mice then you should use chocolate, the idea that mice love cheese is a myth that originated in the Middle Ages.Should be a simple matter to lure them into the traps once the new cheese room has been built in our 100k 'Wembley of the North'.
It should be a thread banThere should be an auto delete function for anytime 'new trafford' and 'soulless bowl' are entered in the thread.
They also love peanut butterIf y,ou. want to trap mice then you should use chocolate, the idea that mice love cheese is a myth that originated in the Middle Ages.
There should be an auto delete function for anytime 'new trafford' and 'soulless bowl' are entered in the thread.
Cats! Though who knows how the feck you stop them.How the feck you gonna stop mice, stadiums are designed to let people in
Why?
It’s a legitimate concern. OT is and has been the heartbeat and soul of United for the past 100 years. For a club that already feels so alien to the club most of us grew up supporting, leaving OT, ripping it down and creating a brand new stadium with no history just takes it another step further away.
Give me stadiums like Anfield, Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro all day everyday over brand new state of the art stadiums like The Emirates, Tottenham Hotspur stadium, Etihad etc etc These stadiums are part of these great clubs history. It’s what makes them unique. At this rate every club is gonna end up with the same looking stadium and even more of the romance of football (which is already being ripped away) will be gone.
As a kid I will never forget the first time I went to OT. It was the most exciting thing I could image. Walking into the stadium where I’d seen all these incredible players and teams playing on TV and videos as a I grew up. Feeling the history as I walked through the turnstiles and then that feeling when I walked out and saw the pitch for the first time. It still gives me goosebumps thinking about it now. That’s what football should be about. Take that away and we’re just another big club with a brand new shiny stadium like the rest. OT is a huge part of what makes Manchester United so special.
Why?
It’s a legitimate concern. OT is and has been the heartbeat and soul of United for the past 100 years. For a club that already feels so alien to the club most of us grew up supporting, leaving OT, ripping it down and creating a brand new stadium with no history just takes it another step further away.
Give me stadiums like Anfield, Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro all day everyday over brand new state of the art stadiums like The Emirates, Tottenham Hotspur stadium, Etihad etc etc These stadiums are part of these great clubs history. It’s what makes them unique. At this rate every club is gonna end up with the same looking stadium and even more of the romance of football (which is already being ripped away) will be gone.
As a kid I will never forget the first time I went to OT. It was the most exciting thing I could image. Walking into the stadium where I’d seen all these incredible players and teams playing on TV and videos as a I grew up. Feeling the history as I walked through the turnstiles and then that feeling when I walked out and saw the pitch for the first time. It still gives me goosebumps thinking about it now. That’s what football should be about. Take that away and we’re just another big club with a brand new shiny stadium like the rest. OT is a huge part of what makes Manchester United so special.
Good post. Be it young or old we all remember our first visit to Old Trafford, a stadium steeped in history in tradition and now to replace it with a new Soulless Stadium? no thanks Jim!Why?
It’s a legitimate concern. OT is and has been the heartbeat and soul of United for the past 100 years. For a club that already feels so alien to the club most of us grew up supporting, leaving OT, ripping it down and creating a brand new stadium with no history just takes it another step further away.
Give me stadiums like Anfield, Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro all day everyday over brand new state of the art stadiums like The Emirates, Tottenham Hotspur stadium, Etihad etc etc These stadiums are part of these great clubs history. It’s what makes them unique. At this rate every club is gonna end up with the same looking stadium and even more of the romance of football (which is already being ripped away) will be gone.
As a kid I will never forget the first time I went to OT. It was the most exciting thing I could image. Walking into the stadium where I’d seen all these incredible players and teams playing on TV and videos as a I grew up. Feeling the history as I walked through the turnstiles and then that feeling when I walked out and saw the pitch for the first time. It still gives me goosebumps thinking about it now. That’s what football should be about. Take that away and we’re just another big club with a brand new shiny stadium like the rest. OT is a huge part of what makes Manchester United so special.
I don't really get where the supposed majority comes from. I'm in a group chat with 70 odd STHs and only one has ever said they think a new stadium would be their preference, everyone else has said rebuild is preferred. I've got mates in similar group chats with people round them all over the stadium and while there is a little more variance the overall feeling in all of them are rebuilds. But then the club survey results did say that it was mainly older supporters who wanted a new stadium which figures really, leave a mess for the rest of us to pay for.I agree. I feel a little out of place when I see how strong the consensus is to build a new stadium. Once OT is gone, it's gone, including all the memories and heritage. Never mind the fact that a new stadium will come with new stadium ticket prices. Honestly, this new stadium idea just sounds like a way to extract more money from fans. Not in favor, at all.
I don't really get where the supposed majority comes from. I'm in a group chat with 70 odd STHs and only one has ever said they think a new stadium would be their preference, everyone else has said rebuild is preferred. I've got mates in similar group chats with people round them all over the stadium and while there is a little more variance the overall feeling in all of them are rebuilds. But then the club survey results did say that it was mainly older supporters who wanted a new stadium which figures really, leave a mess for the rest of us to pay for.
Agree with everything you said. My dad grew up at OT, so whenever I’m there, I feel connected to him, to our shared history supporting United, and to all the great players and teams the both of us have seen there. He’ll never visit any new stadium (not out of any principle, but out of having passed away), so that would strip all those connections away from me. I know I’m only one supporters, but the club’s made up of millions of us and I don’t imagine my story’s all that unique.As a kid I will never forget the first time I went to OT. It was the most exciting thing I could image. Walking into the stadium where I’d seen all these incredible players and teams playing on TV and videos as a I grew up. Feeling the history as I walked through the turnstiles and then that feeling when I walked out and saw the pitch for the first time. It still gives me goosebumps thinking about it now. That’s what football should be about. Take that away and we’re just another big club with a brand new shiny stadium like the rest. OT is a huge part of what makes Manchester United so special.
Obviously New Trafford doesn't really make sense since the area itself is Old Trafford. But at the same time it does pay homage to what came before better than something like INEOS Stadium or some other brand name would.There should be an auto delete function for anytime 'new trafford' and 'soulless bowl' are entered in the thread.
People really believe 7.5bn new stadium? When they even cut SAF pension package?
Ratcliff is 70. He probably wont feel the urge to take a 7.5Bn debt which may take 10-15 years to service.
Unlike Highbury which only holds like 40k seats it make sense to spend on a new stadium and profit from the long run.
OT are already on 75k a brand new stadium wont generate anything more unless you sell the names and raise the price absurdly. Even a 100K seaters will have to reduce the price. We're the biggest club in England but another 25k would mean tickets are available and there will be slower demand
It's the new buyer trick of fooling the fans they're in it for the long haul. I'll believe it when i see it
I dont even think we had the money for initial feasibility study which would cost tens of millions alone
I remember my first visit to OT, but if you transported me from then to now I would tell you that you gone to the wrong place, the stadium today bears zero resemblence to it from the outside and inside only the Sir Bobby Stand is recognizable from my first visitGood post. Be it young or old we all remember our first visit to Old Trafford, a stadium steeped in history in tradition and now to replace it with a new Soulless Stadium? no thanks Jim!
The stadium isn't 7.5bn though as you full well (probably) know, so SJR won't be on the hook for that, a new stadium is generally thought to be around the 2bn mark, the rest is taxpayer funds for urban regeneration and infrastructure projectsPeople really believe 7.5bn new stadium? When they even cut SAF pension package?
Ratcliff is 70. He probably wont feel the urge to take a 7.5Bn debt which may take 10-15 years to service.
Unlike Highbury which only holds like 40k seats it make sense to spend on a new stadium and profit from the long run.
OT are already on 75k a brand new stadium wont generate anything more unless you sell the names and raise the price absurdly. Even a 100K seaters will have to reduce the price. We're the biggest club in England but another 25k would mean tickets are available and there will be slower demand
It's the new buyer trick of fooling the fans they're in it for the long haul. I'll believe it when i see it
I dont even think we had the money for initial feasibility study which would cost tens of millions alone
The stadium isn't 7.5bn though as you full well (probably) know, so SJR won't be on the hook for that, a new stadium is generally thought to be around the 2bn mark, the rest is taxpayer funds for urban regeneration and infrastructure projects
My best guess is that Ratcliffe will put some of his own money in and the club will issue more shares to him (like they have for the $300m he put in last year), they'll get someone locked in for naming rights straight away to pay for a bit more, and the rest will be taken out with another loan. Not sure exactly how the loan part will work, whether it will be directly against the club or whether INEOS will take it out in their name. If the latter, the club would either still have to eventually pay it back (but there would probably be much better terms) or perhaps the sum of that loan would once again be recompensed with more shares. Ratcliffe/INEOS will probably push for that, but it depends on whether the Glazers agree.That is correct of course. The question is, where does the £2bn come from. Nobody involved in the project has given much indication thus far.
If United are demolishing Old Trafford, they also have the existing debt to deal with (for which the current stadium is collateral).
That would ruin us financially, taking on more debt. No wonder he never talked about the debt when he was talking about bringing mthe Manchester back into Manchester..I think he probably meant Manchester City Council.My best guess is that Ratcliffe will put some of his own money in and the club will issue more shares to him (like they have for the $300m he put in last year), they'll get someone locked in for naming rights straight away to pay for a bit more, and the rest will be taken out with another loan. Not sure exactly how the loan part will work, whether it will be directly against the club or whether INEOS will take it out in their name. If the latter, the club would either still have to eventually pay it back (but there would probably be much better terms) or perhaps the sum of that loan would once again be recompensed with more shares. Ratcliffe/INEOS will probably push for that, but it depends on whether the Glazers agree.
If y,ou. want to trap mice then you should use chocolate, the idea that mice love cheese is a myth that originated in the Middle Ages.
After visiting Arsenal‘s tired rundown stadium I kind of want a regeneration of old Trafford now how quickly THEIR New shiny house has become a dull of a washed out bowl we might as well keep our soul and just improve the corporate areas and space out the seat in a little bit
Obviously New Trafford doesn't really make sense since the area itself is Old Trafford. But at the same time it does pay homage to what came before better than something like INEOS Stadium or some other brand name would.
I wonder if we're building on basically the same site whether we might look to keep the Old Trafford name, even though it's a completely different stadium. But I presume we'll sell the naming rights and end up with a brand name which is probably the worst option for me.
People really believe 7.5bn new stadium? When they even cut SAF pension package?
Ratcliff is 70. He probably wont feel the urge to take a 7.5Bn debt which may take 10-15 years to service.
Unlike Highbury which only holds like 40k seats it make sense to spend on a new stadium and profit from the long run.
OT are already on 75k a brand new stadium wont generate anything more unless you sell the names and raise the price absurdly. Even a 100K seaters will have to reduce the price. We're the biggest club in England but another 25k would mean tickets are available and there will be slower demand
It's the new buyer trick of fooling the fans they're in it for the long haul. I'll believe it when i see it
I dont even think we had the money for initial feasibility study which would cost tens of millions alone
whilst preferable to many to renovate OT, it’s hard to gauge without knowing the extent of the works. If it’s a Barcelona/Real Madrid type project, then absolutely, but that would mean moving for 2-3 years.
It's the League's and International's requirement to move for that kind of construction now. For safety etc reasons.Not necessarily the club didn't have to move during 6 expansions/renovations in the 90s and 00s. Some of them were pretty involved. Like the North stand rebuild.
It's the League's and International's requirement to move for that kind of construction now. For safety etc reasons.