New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium

Would you rather a new stadium or rebuild Old Trafford?

  • New stadium

    Votes: 1,041 57.3%
  • Rebuild Old Trafford

    Votes: 775 42.7%

  • Total voters
    1,816
My biggest history project at school (in UK) was the centenary of my primary (elementary) school in 1972, so did we study the local history of a Lancashire milltown, nope, the American Civil War!

As for the stadium, a lot is going to depend on the space available, but a 'kop' like structure is meaningless, it's not a specific type of stand, it's just a name that was given to a stand in a ground, in those days they all looked pretty much the same, what you're probably thinking about is more akin to the Dortmund yellow wall
Exactly, something that resembles a large steep hill referenced in the history. Seems like Spurs tried to do that with their stadium, but not having been to a match there, I am not sure what kind of impact that stand has on the atmosphere.
 
I am sure the war of 1812 is covered, at least in Maryland. Honestly, WWII education in public school was sorely lacking as well. I learned more from the movies The Longest Day and Patton than I ever did in school (though that may speak to my lack of academic prowess more than anything).
Anyway, back on topic, whatever they do with the stadium, let's hope there is some kop-like structure for the supporters.

Don't kid yourself that anything that comes out of Hollywood bears any relationship to reality.
 
Exactly, something that resembles a large steep hill referenced in the history. Seems like Spurs tried to do that with their stadium, but not having been to a match there, I am not sure what kind of impact that stand has on the atmosphere.

I went to the old White Heart Lane once and the stand I was in seemed incredibly steep.
 
Don't kid yourself that anything that comes out of Hollywood bears any relationship to reality.
Living in the Netherlands for 3 years, I learned quite a bit about the European theater of WWII and the Longest Day was actually fairly accurate (with a lot of Hollywood stuff as well). We went to the museum in Sainte-Mere-Eglise and I was surprised at how much of the movie happened (although not 100% in-line with the movie).
 
Don't kid yourself that anything that comes out of Hollywood bears any relationship to reality.
The Longest Day is regarded as being reasonaly accurate I think, can't speak for Patton, and historians say that if you want to know about the Battle of Briatain, watch the movie, though I suppose that one isn't technically Hollywood
 
Probably but if the survey showed 80% of fans wanted to stay at Old Trafford and they still went ahead with a new build then I reckon they'd have had to offer some big incentives on ticket prices etc to keep fans happy

As it is, they can now present it as fans backing the preferred new build option and completely shaft us on price increases

Yep they will definitely do that. Maybe all ST holders should have said they were alright with OT as is :lol:
 
"Omar Berrada: Whether we decide to renovate or build a new stadium, we want to integrate a partner like Snapdragon so that the construction has this side of technology present."
 
"Omar Berrada: Whether we decide to renovate or build a new stadium, we want to integrate a partner like Snapdragon so that the construction has this side of technology present."
Thank goodness Woodward is no longer here bc he d probably sign them to a lifelong contract to be a shirt sponsor instead of signing a separate agreement to provide tech for the stadium.
 
"Omar Berrada: Whether we decide to renovate or build a new stadium, we want to integrate a partner like Snapdragon so that the construction has this side of technology present."
We look at our partners in two ways.. not just putting our logo on...want to help the club with their digital transformation ... stadium transformation... digital fan experiences - tweet by Clare Conley on the same.

It really looks like Snapdragon are in it for the long term and they are a very good company to be partnered with long term, as they very strong financially and continue to grow and it clear Omar recognises that. They even mentioned the United sponsorship and how huge it was for them at their new CPU launch. I think it is almost a given that they will be partnered with for the new stadium at the very least as a technology partner and potentially even the stadium name sponsor.
 
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There's a conference / awards ceremony on at the cricket ground this week for the stadium design industry. https://www.stadiumdesignsummit.com/

One of those planes that tows banners was spotted flying around towing a sign that read "@Meisarch @AecomSports Changing the game" which set a few tongues wagging but that's all it was for.

Still, interesting that a lot of the industry experts are in town. Meisarch is Dan Meis archictects who designed Everton's new ground. He and Bill Hanway of Aecom were talking to The Times newspaper last week and spoke a little about Old Trafford.

Meis says he had some talks with Unted in the past.

We spoke to United a couple of years ago and did a kind of vision study, looking at the possibilities of a transformation of the existing building of Old Trafford, so we’re pretty familiar with the challenges of that and the challenges of the expanding site, Meis says.

One of the things that’s always a challenge, particularly I think in English football, is giving up that sort of history, of generations of going to that place. In the US we’re turning over stadiums in 20, 30 years, which I think is a real shame. In the UK it’s just not as easy.

At Everton they didn’t come to that decision easily because, again, they were giving up a pretty historic ground, Meis says. But at United, while I haven’t been involved in their more recent efforts, I think there really is a belief that there’s an opportunity to significantly improve the revenue generation in a new building that you might not be able to do in a renovated building.

Hanway agrees. The advantage of having a new stadium is being able to create tiered platforms, with premium amenities to certain seating sections,”he says. At Old Trafford, with your highest rate premium amenity fans, you may not be able to stretch their budget very much higher. It’s both a benefit to the fans as well as to the revenue generation for the clubs.

As Meis says, United has a global fanbase with some extremely wealthy supporters: There is the opportunity to create a VVIP tier, a very high-level experience.

Not that Meis cannot see possibilities on the existing site. When you look at Real Madrid, you can’t imagine it’s the same stadium, he says. It can be done.
 
Wow... How do you go about fixing a problem like this! Can't be just a blocked gutter.

On a different note, am tired of hearing about our stadium plans, or lack of... Sure, not a Ratcliffe issue entirely but I've been hearing about this for such a long time. Just tell us what you've decided FFS and get a move on.
You do realise it's been about 6 months since they did the fan survey. Projects like this on the scale of a new stadium or master planning an entire area of a City take years to even get to the a spade in the ground.
 
You do realise it's been about 6 months since they did the fan survey. Projects like this on the scale of a new stadium or master planning an entire area of a City take years to even get to the a spade in the ground.
I did mention that it's not entirely a Ratcliffe issue as they've not been here that long. But my point was that we've been hearing about this under the Glazers (for a few years) and now under Ratcliffe.
 
I did mention that it's not entirely a Ratcliffe issue as they've not been here that long. But my point was that we've been hearing about this under the Glazers (for a few years) and now under Ratcliffe.
We have but it's not even just a United issue. The economics of a rebuild or even a major revamp on the current site were always difficult. There's just a limit on how many ways that United can make more on matchday - more seats, higher prices or more hospitality seating or new commercial options. Hard to deliver with the current stadium or even the current stadium footprint.

The numbers never really did add up. They essentially relied on generous owners to bankroll it.

What we're looking at now is all those calculations and feasibility studies getting pushed to the, "but what would be the best" solution for the club and that will include a heavy dose of cooperation and investment by other people.

I have no idea what our chances of getting that kind of investment in the area are like. The fact that they've done a sales pitch that builds into Manchester's transport and infrastructure plan actually makes this seem more serious to me.

If we've got a new stadium and it's the one we want in ten years I think we'll have done well. Meanwhile I think we may be stuck with repairing the gutters and patching the concrete.
 
We have but it's not even just a United issue. The economics of a rebuild or even a major revamp on the current site were always difficult. There's just a limit on how many ways that United can make more on matchday - more seats, higher prices or more hospitality seating or new commercial options. Hard to deliver with the current stadium or even the current stadium footprint.

The numbers never really did add up. They essentially relied on generous owners to bankroll it.

What we're looking at now is all those calculations and feasibility studies getting pushed to the, "but what would be the best" solution for the club and that will include a heavy dose of cooperation and investment by other people.

I have no idea what our chances of getting that kind of investment in the area are like. The fact that they've done a sales pitch that builds into Manchester's transport and infrastructure plan actually makes this seem more serious to me.

If we've got a new stadium and it's the one we want in ten years I think we'll have done well. Meanwhile I think we may be stuck with repairing the gutters and patching the concrete.

They're waiting for the decision on the depot. As for patching up the current stadium I'd take that as long as it doesn't cost the fans an arm and a leg...which I suspect a new build will. I'm not too fussed about Ratcliffe's legacy. He just wants to fleece the fans as much as he can...with the SoFi as his blueprint. Sure the new stadium in an expanded Quays/Wharfside will look great but at what cost l,
 
We have but it's not even just a United issue. The economics of a rebuild or even a major revamp on the current site were always difficult. There's just a limit on how many ways that United can make more on matchday - more seats, higher prices or more hospitality seating or new commercial options. Hard to deliver with the current stadium or even the current stadium footprint.

The numbers never really did add up. They essentially relied on generous owners to bankroll it.

What we're looking at now is all those calculations and feasibility studies getting pushed to the, "but what would be the best" solution for the club and that will include a heavy dose of cooperation and investment by other people.

I have no idea what our chances of getting that kind of investment in the area are like. The fact that they've done a sales pitch that builds into Manchester's transport and infrastructure plan actually makes this seem more serious to me.

If we've got a new stadium and it's the one we want in ten years I think we'll have done well. Meanwhile I think we may be stuck with repairing the gutters and patching the concrete.
Exactly. I think it will happen but people need to understand how long it takes - at least now it looks like serious thought is going into it, not just PR pieces from the Glazers. I remember the athletic did an article on spurs stadium and some of the people who started planning it died long before it ever opened, it takes decades to get all the permissions, plan it, wait for the environmental reports, more permissions, there'll be multiple elections in that time and you never know what new fees or rules they'll put in place. Basically, ignore this story until OT is either knocked down or the inevitable report comes out in a year that the costs associated with building a new stadium are 'too high'.
 
Hopefully big Jim is as shit at sorting this as he is at a director of Football.

I was laughed at in here for suggesting a new stadium meant stupid prices and a corporate led approach a few months back.

Well he's skipped a new stadium and started early. This would be 10x worse
 
Hopefully big Jim is as shit at sorting this as he is at a director of Football.

I was laughed at in here for suggesting a new stadium meant stupid prices and a corporate led approach a few months back.

Well he's skipped a new stadium and started early. This would be 10x worse
Not sure why you got laughed at, how else would a man known for ruthless business decisions get it done?
 
Not sure why you got laughed at, how else would a man known for ruthless business decisions get it done?

Some argued a bigger stadium would mean cheaper prices to fill the ground. I really hope they are right but it would probably be £50 to watch 'Cat C' games in tier 24.
 
Some argued a bigger stadium would mean cheaper prices to fill the ground. I really hope they are right but it would probably be £50 to watch 'Cat C' games in tier 24.
I think we should expect that the pricing model will be competitive with other top clubs, that's what they'll go with as it makes the most business sense. It's the wrong decision, mind, but that's what they'll do I think.
 
Some argued a bigger stadium would mean cheaper prices to fill the ground. I really hope they are right but it would probably be £50 to watch 'Cat C' games in tier 24.

Anyone who argued that is clueless - I fully expected we would get shafted on ticket prices with a new stadium, how else can they possibly pay for it?

Hoped Brexit Jim would leave us with reasonable prices in the meantime but he's clearly ready to screw the fans on price rises ASAP
 
Hopefully big Jim is as shit at sorting this as he is at a director of Football.

I was laughed at in here for suggesting a new stadium meant stupid prices and a corporate led approach a few months back.

Well he's skipped a new stadium and started early. This would be 10x worse

I still don't think a new stadium happens due to economic viability (or lack thereof) - a refurb is the cheaper and more likely option, but I have a feeling that this whole stadium project is going to be quietly kicked into the long grass.