New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium

Would you rather a new stadium or rebuild Old Trafford?

  • New stadium

    Votes: 1,027 57.2%

  • Rebuild Old Trafford

    Votes: 769 42.8%
  • Total voters
    1,796
Plant0x84 said:
That’s a really interesting insight. Not what I was expecting at all.

50k fans doesn’t seem representative of a fan base of millions/billions though. And will the club really try to justify a new stadium replacing OT because 25k people said they want it? :confused:

I’d suggest they need to widen the net a little bit now, while they are delaying and considering.
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You are right, the number of 50k seems low. However, keep in mind that the fan base is spread across the world. As a Swiss fan, that had the opportunity to visit OT once in my relatively young life, I might not be granted the same weighting on "my vote" compared to a season ticket holder who lives in Eccles or in Stretford. That's fair in my opinion.
 
Very suspicious of those numbers, but whatever - they are going to do it anyway.

New ground, ticket prices up, feels like going to a shopping mall complex - more room four tourists who smash £100 in the club shop.

Depressing.
 
I think they’ve decided on a new stadium regardless and unless this survey came back with 80% of fans saying keep OT a new stadium will be built. You’ll get the we’ve listened to fans etc in the announcement.
 
Red00012 said:
I think they’ve decided on a new stadium regardless and unless this survey came back with 80% of fans saying keep OT a new stadium will be built. You’ll get the we’ve listened to fans etc in the announcement.
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Absolutely, complete PR exercise and easy to manipulate the numbers anyway.
 
you have build a new stadium...it's just that simple

trying to revamp old trafford is just like putting lipstick on a pig
 
I've decided(well...)if we can't finance a new stadium, we ought to keep OT as it. Was watching higlights of old games and it's a shame we don't have the likes of Highhbury anymore. I even miss the way Stamford Bridge looked. So...imagine most clubs having modern state of the art stadia yet we've left ours the way it is. Unique. We could do all that fan experience thing outside the ground and VR stuff to rake in extra revenue. Sure it doesn't make sense and it's full of sentiment but...it could work. More than a club and all that bollocks. Guess it's a stupid idea but Boston kept Fenway Park and they maintained its character.

I suspect we're getting a state of the art stadium with all the latest technology available to fans. Suppose the game is always changing. Anyway I'm going back to sleep...
 
I'm always for keeping Old Trafford. I still love going there. Pretty much every new stadium is soulless to me. Old Trafford has so much history, and you feel it whenever you're there. Looking at the picture, it doesn't feel right seeing us in one of those generic, bowl shaped stadiums.

The change is looking inevitable, though.
 
Yagami said:
I'm always for keeping Old Trafford. I still love going there. Pretty much every new stadium is soulless to me. Old Trafford has so much history, and you feel it whenever you're there. Looking at the picture, it doesn't feel right seeing us in one of those generic, bowl shaped stadiums.

The change is looking inevitable, though.
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In fairness, that is just a placeholder image to indicate new stadium, its not a reflection whatsoever of what it might look like.
 
Judas said:
In fairness, that is just a placeholder image to indicate new stadium, its not a reflection whatsoever of what it might look like.
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True but the actual design we end up with, most likely won't be a million miles away from that.
 
Spoony said:
Yes. Looks like the older fans have been apart the whole OT matchday experience countless timew and have accepted it's time to move on and relax in bigger seats with legroom.
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That I suspected would be the case. But I wouldn't have expected the majority of younger fans leaning towards keeping OT as is.
 
stevoc said:
True but the actual design we end up with, most likely won't be a million miles away from that.
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Could be a remimagenjng of the Lusial Stadium in Qatar considering it was designed by Lord Foster. Hope I'm wrong. And it's just an awful thought.
 
PINGUtd said:
You are right, the number of 50k seems low. However, keep in mind that the fan base is spread across the world. As a Swiss fan, that had the opportunity to visit OT once in my relatively young life, I might not be granted the same weighting on "my vote" compared to a season ticket holder who lives in Eccles or in Stretford. That's fair in my opinion.
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I get that of course but 50k isn’t even capacity at OT.
 
Judas said:
In fairness, that is just a placeholder image to indicate new stadium, its not a reflection whatsoever of what it might look like.
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Good point! Still, the bowl shape seems to be the most popular design for new stadiums so it's definitely a possibility that we'll go that route, too. Not that it matters too much. It'd be more about losing Old Trafford to me.

I definitely want us to have that potential 100k capacity because that'd make for an incredible experience on match days in and of itself, but it's a shame it'll most likely come at the cost of the clubs true home.
 
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Yagami said:
Good point! Still, the bowl shape seems to be the most popular design for new stadiums so it's definitely a possibility that we'll go that route, too. Not that it matters too much. It'd be more about losing Old Trafford to me.

I definitely want us to have that potential 100k capacity because that'd make for an incredible experience on match days in and of itself, but it's a shame it'll most likely come at the cost of the clubs true home.
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We've always had a bowl shape. Unless by bowl you mean a bowl with curved stands.
 
Spoony said:
True. Suppose they'd like to continue their OT experience.
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I suppose if you think about it, it makes sense. Younger fans under 25-30 have bacially only ever known OT in it's current state due to the Glazers lack of investment. Where as anyone over 35 will have seen OT changes a lot over the last 30 years, so are probably more open minded about further change.
 
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stevoc said:
I suppose if you think about it, tt makes sense. Younger fans under 25-30 have bacially only ever known OT in it's current state due to the Glazers lack of investment. Where as anyone over 35 will have seen OT changes a lot over the last 30 years, so are probably more open minded about further change.
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Do the younger ones care about leg room, as they are more likely to be stood up during games, where older ones may now prefer to be sat down and are finding that uncomfortable.
 
Ultimately it'll come down to what is the more economical option. The fan surveys are just PR gestures. Regardless of what the sentiment is they'll go with whatever option is cheaper and quicker, and honestly that's fine. Personally I don't mind which way they go, though I am perhaps slightly more partial to the idea of a new stadium.
 
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Kaos said:
Ultimately it'll come down to what is the more economical option. The fan surveys are just PR gestures. Regardless of what the sentiment is they'll go with whatever option is cheaper and quicker, and honestly that's fine. Personally I don't mind which way they go, though I am perhaps slightly more partial to the idea of a new stadium.
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Yep PR. It hinges on the relocation of the freight depot.
 
stevoc said:
That I suspected would be the case. But I wouldn't have expected the majority of younger fans leaning towards keeping OT as is.
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For the younger ones it's what they know. I'm guessing they also feel as if it connects us back to our history - to SAF and winning the big trophies, but even to Busby and beyond.

For the oldies? Well it looks nothing like it did when I was a kid. I know from the photos it had already moved on from the glory days of The Busby Babes when I started going. To give you an idea though, when I started going our built for WC66 "cantilever" stand was state of the art stadium design.

The stadium has changed over and over again since then, but in the end making those changes have left it creaking and inflexible.

Maybe as matchgoing oldies we've got memories of the place - including better days for the stadium and team (and worse ones of course). The younger ones maybe still have dreams of it.
 
stevoc said:
I suppose if you think about it, it makes sense. Younger fans under 25-30 have bacially only ever known OT in it's current state due to the Glazers lack of investment. Where as anyone over 35 will have seen OT changes a lot over the last 30 years, so are probably more open minded about further change.
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DomesticTadpole said:
Do the younger ones care about leg room, as they are more likely to be stood up during games, where older ones may now prefer to be sat down and are finding that uncomfortable.
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Suspect both of these are factors.

And for fans who don't attend games regularly at all, it's even easier to argue against a new stadium. Because for them Old Trafford is just a symbol of abstract concepts of history and "soul", rather than an actual physical location they regularly have to get to, try to be comfortable in for a few hours and spend money in.

For all people sometimes have a romantic idea of what hardcore matchgoing fans care about, it's probably not that surprising if they're actually more pragmatic about the facilities themselves.
 
stevoc said:
That I suspected would be the case. But I wouldn't have expected the majority of younger fans leaning towards keeping OT as is.
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Young people probably want somewhere where they can stand up and scream and bounce around for 90 minutes. Whilst they can't really do that as much now, generally speaking they aren't as bothered about extra leg room. The current OT probably suits what they want from a matchday.

Older people (generally speaking) want to sit down and a more "calmer" experience on matchday.
 
MancunianAngels said:
Young people probably want somewhere where they can stand up and scream and bounce around for 90 minutes. Whilst they can't really do that as much now, generally speaking they aren't as bothered about extra leg room. The current OT probably suits what they want from a matchday.

Older people (generally speaking) want to sit down and a more "calmer" experience on matchday.
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I'd also say that a new ground will mean higher ticket prices which younger people might not be able to afford.

They will believe that a new ground is pointless if they can't afford to go every week to something that they correctly believe is their birthright.
 
Anyone else at the town hall today? Thought it was really interesting, nothing I didn't really know but all very positive. I don't really understand the cynicism here, they're clearly gunning the most ambitious option. Once the area is developed around the stadium, there will not be an opportunity to do this again. Fingers crossed we can get all the partners singing from the same hymn sheet.

Under 25s voting to keep the stadium are their own worst enemy. Season ticket holders are going to sit on those tickets like a dragon until they die.
 
Apparently there's a choice of three plans. Move the freight depot and construct a 100k stadium, or do a Spurs and build on the car park before knocking down the Stretford End and lastly knock down OT stand by stand for a 90k stadium. Which ever way you look at it, ticket prices will go up.
 
Utd heap said:
Very suspicious of those numbers, but whatever - they are going to do it anyway.

New ground, ticket prices up, feels like going to a shopping mall complex - more room four tourists who smash £100 in the club shop.

Depressing.
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Yeah it sucks, sounds like the stadiums in America, more of a touristy thing that a community stadia draped in historical significance. This is unfortunately the way things are going though, and it's shit or get off the pot for the club...
 
SuperiorXI said:
Yeah it sucks, sounds like the stadiums in America, more of a touristy thing that a community stadia draped in historical significance. This is unfortunately the way things are going though, and it's shit or get off the pot for the club...
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Yep. Hence their love for the Sofi stadium.
 
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