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New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium
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Northern Ireland is a disaster politically to get anything like this done.
Also the site for Casement is very awkward and tight which added to the cost.
I think we'll get government money for regeneration of the area around the stadium but not the stadium itself which is fair enough.
No harm in asking anyway.
I think the majority of funding will be from financial institutions in various forms. We can pay this off over 50 years.
We might get government money for the area around the stadium and for transport infrastructure but not the stadium itself.
Sir Jim's "Wembley of the north" is a nice idea but it won't fly unfortunately.
Different yes but also both stadium redevelopments. I don't see them funding any stadium projects right now never mind one that would benefit the most hated club in the country and one of the richest clubs in the world. It just wouldn't look after taking away the heating allowance form elderly people.
Why?
We couldn't agree on the colour of grass.
Well that's more plausible but you know any money going towards United will be spun by sections of the media as the Government funding Old Trafford.
I suppose.
If we increase the capacity to 100k and offer 30k more season tickets there will actually be less tickets for "tourists".
Honestly you need to go and visit some other stadiums.
You don’t know what you’re missing.
I’ve been to Spurs, Arsenal, all over America and none of them compare to OT. If you want to sit in a soulless bowl and eat nachos then go to the US. Apparently light shows and padded seats is what I’m missing. Oh but you read an article 6 months ago about a roof leak.
But that's your emotional attachment and your attachment is to the team. You'd still have that in a stadium 200m down the road. Maybe not the exact same but you'd still feel it greater than Spurs or Arsenal or whomever.
I agree, as long as the stadium is right. The Spurs stadium is actually good. It’s just my original point that the “state” of OT is massively overplayed that I stand by. For me it’s just a symbol of us standing still, it’s still the biggest stadium in the league.
Fair enough. I think whatever happens is going to divide people and one side is going to have to be ready to compromise. Not a message to you per se.
I can’t even fit in the seats leg roon wide. I had to swap seats last time in was in the North Stand. It’s not much better around the ground either. Modern stadium means modern seat depth.
This is going to take surely many years to get there, hard to be excited as a result
There's no reason why we can't have something more unique than a generic bowl with dipping corners.
It's about picking an architect with a unique vision.
It's about picking an architect with a unique vision.
He’s an Arsenal supporter though…
I noted the concerns on the pricing of tickets if we intend to fill a capacity of more than 100k. Pricing is mainly due to supply and demand. If the supply can increase beyond 100k capacity, I am sure the price of ticket can also be more affordable.
The largest stadium in the world is in North Korea with 150k. I don't think we want to be at that capacity but I would really love us to be the largest professional football stadium in the world. We are Manchester United
The largest stadium in the world is in North Korea with 150k. I don't think we want to be at that capacity but I would really love us to be the largest professional football stadium in the world. We are Manchester United
I agree. Would love for them to incorporate a classic English design in the new stadium somehow.
I live in Sydney and have always tried to make one trip up a season for the past several years. Usually only spend a week over there and make the trip home.
But it’s become so hard to get tickets recently that it’s hard to justify paying $900 for hospitality tickets on top of $1300 on flights.
If there was a way I could score tickets at normal face value, I would make a second trip up every year, or one longer trip and view a few games.
We need more tickets.
You forget that there is waitlist of about 120k for season tickets. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-ticket-waiting-list-Man-United-Man-City.html.
I don't think the powers that be will be building a 100k just cause they can say we have a 100k stadium. There is a whole lot of analytics that will go into the decision.
I mean we finished 8th and had the highest average attendances in Europe last season. We average 96% full. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqxj5pnd8jqo
So this, coupled with additional season tickets on sale and hopefully getting back to being successful.
You can transfer the 50k Old Trafford season ticket holders over, give 30k to those on the waitlist, then 20k for general sale/away fans/guests/hospitality and you've got a full stadium right there and you still have a healthy waitlist.
Off topic, but they know pulled funding because it won't be ready in time for the Euros which is the reason they were funding it in the first place.
I am an Irish man and more traffic or daytrippers want to see old Trafford than the whole of north of ireland not the same lmfao
My very first game at old Trafford was in 1992 it is not the same stadium I first went too. I has always been rejuvenated or improved. What has always stayed the same is the essence. The theatre isn’t just about the ground it’s the walk from whatever bar you were in. It’s the view over the canal. It’s the Stratfordenders in there seats making family with people they never met before.
Improve the ground stand by stand I’m sure no season ticket holder would argue much if they were moved for a small time period if it meant the ground was improved
Improve the ground stand by stand I’m sure no season ticket holder would argue much if they were moved for a small time period if it meant the ground was improved
I understand the nostalgia for the stadium but frankly the land is available on the same site, to build a brand new one; and it’s something I think we should do. It’s a chance for a huge leap forwards. Not just in terms of the match day experience, but also the prestige of the club, as well as new revenue opportunities. I absolutely love Old Trafford, but a new stadium should be absolutely state of the art; a structure fit to lead us into the future as industry leaders once again.
The stadium will be purpose built for football, and so fans should and likely will be close to the action, and have world leading infrastructure and match day experiences. People worried about the soulless bowl effect, should hold fire until the plans are revealed. We have some creative architects on board and I’m quite excited to see something iconic emerge from the design process. Moreover, it’s the fans that give a stadium it’s life, its energy; and it’s the memories created there that builds up the nostalgia.
Thinking long term, in 20-30 years, a new generation of fans will be looking at the new stadium with a sense of nostalgia with memories made when they were a kid. United isn’t bricks and mortar, it’s a soul that goes wherever the team plays; and if that’s in a brand new, state of the art 100,000 seater, spectacular stadium, then all the better for it. I am also perhaps one of the few that loves the idea of our stadium becoming a second home for the national team. And having a stadium that the rest of the league looks at in awe. We are probably the only club in the PL that can actually justify needing, and being able to regularly fill, a 100,000 seater stadium. A stadium that isn’t just the envy of England but the envy of Europe.
The stadium will be purpose built for football, and so fans should and likely will be close to the action, and have world leading infrastructure and match day experiences. People worried about the soulless bowl effect, should hold fire until the plans are revealed. We have some creative architects on board and I’m quite excited to see something iconic emerge from the design process. Moreover, it’s the fans that give a stadium it’s life, its energy; and it’s the memories created there that builds up the nostalgia.
Thinking long term, in 20-30 years, a new generation of fans will be looking at the new stadium with a sense of nostalgia with memories made when they were a kid. United isn’t bricks and mortar, it’s a soul that goes wherever the team plays; and if that’s in a brand new, state of the art 100,000 seater, spectacular stadium, then all the better for it. I am also perhaps one of the few that loves the idea of our stadium becoming a second home for the national team. And having a stadium that the rest of the league looks at in awe. We are probably the only club in the PL that can actually justify needing, and being able to regularly fill, a 100,000 seater stadium. A stadium that isn’t just the envy of England but the envy of Europe.
100% agree!
I tend to agree with the view that a new build is best. I think it’s clear from the history of the stadium that the conversion to all seater was something of a reset and whilst we were able to build upon it in modern times I think we’ve reached the limit right now.
Really when we speak about developing old Trafford I think we’re speaking about keeping the pitch in the same place as before. Much of the stadium would probably need to be demolished one stand at a time and we’d still have the issue with the train tracks when it came to expanding the Sir Bobby stand.
I would be in favour of downsizing the current old Trafford for use as a secondary stadium with a new stadium being built next door. Yes there would be expense involved but I don’t like the idea of OT being turned into a car park. This is a good compromise and being in the ‘old’ stadium could be a unique selling point for our Women’s team matches too.
In terms of facilities if non season ticket holders would be able to get a seat every once in a while that don’t require binoculars to watch the game then I’d be happy with that.
Really when we speak about developing old Trafford I think we’re speaking about keeping the pitch in the same place as before. Much of the stadium would probably need to be demolished one stand at a time and we’d still have the issue with the train tracks when it came to expanding the Sir Bobby stand.
I would be in favour of downsizing the current old Trafford for use as a secondary stadium with a new stadium being built next door. Yes there would be expense involved but I don’t like the idea of OT being turned into a car park. This is a good compromise and being in the ‘old’ stadium could be a unique selling point for our Women’s team matches too.
In terms of facilities if non season ticket holders would be able to get a seat every once in a while that don’t require binoculars to watch the game then I’d be happy with that.
Ultimately, my biggest concern is that a new ground will result in a final social cleansing of the support.
Ticket prices will go up, the sale of hospitality packages will become priority over regular matchgoing fans.
The club and people on here keep talking about "improving the matchday experience" for fans but if that shiny new stadium becomes out of reach for some of those fans fans financially then what's the point?
We are probably reaching a point where a new stadium might be the best option. That's gonna come at the expense of so much though.
Again, I might be wrong. Those fans that the club pretended to care about during lockdown might actually be important. Fans might actually be considered. Prices might be kept at a reasonable level and the new ground might build on what's good about the current ground rather than simply removing everything in the name of progress.
Ticket prices will go up, the sale of hospitality packages will become priority over regular matchgoing fans.
The club and people on here keep talking about "improving the matchday experience" for fans but if that shiny new stadium becomes out of reach for some of those fans fans financially then what's the point?
We are probably reaching a point where a new stadium might be the best option. That's gonna come at the expense of so much though.
Again, I might be wrong. Those fans that the club pretended to care about during lockdown might actually be important. Fans might actually be considered. Prices might be kept at a reasonable level and the new ground might build on what's good about the current ground rather than simply removing everything in the name of progress.
I hear ya brother! Well said
I keep flip flopping between a new stadium or renovating the old one.
I like the idea that it's the same pitch that George Best, Charlton, Cantona, Ronaldo and Rooney played on.
It's the same dugout that Fergie sat on. His famous leap when Bruce scored against Sheffield Wednesday.
Matt Busby walked the corridors.
So much history and memories.
At the same time if we're planning for the next 100 years, we're probably better off just building a brand new 90k+ stadium and hopefully keeping a scaled down old Trafford for women's and youths and reserves.
Then at least you're retaining the history.
Excellent post and even for those of us in our 30’s and 40’s who have seen a lot of relative success, the thought of an 100,000 seater stadium being quiet is almost impossible, by the 5-6 year period it takes to build this stadium which will be the envy of Europe, the team should be good again, Top 3 PL and always in the CL.
That type of home support to opposing teams is incredibly daunting and should make New Trafford a complete fortress, the ambience and the acoustics needs to be perfect and then we may witness a new dawn for this great club.
I would still like to have seen them keep old Trafford and Downsize to 30-35,000 and let the woman and the youth teams play there.
Good posts here I would 100% support. A new stadium is the way to go. The architects will have to ensure that there is enough old Trafford in the new one. Like some brick elements
I'm 6'3 and I have no leg room in most stands. I hope they can create more safe standing no matter what we do next
History mostly
I said this before but my only wish for the new stadium is to keep the crowd/stands close to the pitch. It has to be a must. All these stadiums with that massive gap between the pitch and crowd are awful to me
How to maintain the atmosphere is tricky. Fans at football matches nowadays are often virtually silent.
A natural consequence of not providing redevelopment funding for 18 months after it was announced as one of the venues for 2028.
History mostly
Fair enough. I'm not into GAA myself but it's probably the biggest sport in NI.
Agree 100%.
Soccer's definitely bigger than GAA in NI. The vast majority of unionists don't play GAA but everyone plays soccer.
In southern Ireland it's debatable which is bigger.
Boxing seems to be very big up there. Maybe cause of the conflict.
I used to go to Casement a lot as a kid, it's in an awkward area for parking etc kinda similar to Windsor and Ravenhill. We really aren't in a good position for a 30k+ stadium particularly close to town.
I went to Spurs stadium recently and they've taken a bit of inspiration from Dortmund setup where you feel super close to pitch. Great atmosphere.