I don't think anyone thought the bit in bold was a serious prediction, to be fair.
The first bit was quite possibly genuine belly-aching.
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I don't think anyone thought the bit in bold was a serious prediction, to be fair.
The first bit was quite possibly genuine belly-aching.
Now I get it.
I'm just trying to say that the bit in bold might have suggested that the whole comment should be taken with a pinch of salt. Unless Ekeke really thinks that Clyne chose Southampton over Man United...
I'd like to think that we are keeping tabs on this lad, with a view to teaming him up with his old teammate Shaw on the other flank.
A very modern full back who can defend as well as attack.
A very modern full back who can defend as well as attack.
Should have taken the chance when he was at Palace. Saints will ask big money for him now and he might not even come as he get to play regularly and Saints doing well now as well.
Would cost too much for a back up to rafael
Why wouldn't he play regularly here? Better than Rafael (who is injured more often than not anyway) and we have no other right backs.
Who said anything about back up? Clyne is an upgrade.
Nah, he's not.
I think it's arguable whether he's better than Rafael (personally I don't think he is); does have a better injury record though (then again, who doesn't). I think there were some murmurs about "attitude issues" when Fergie was looking at him, and that was what put us off.
There's not much between them in terms of ability and Clyne's injury record is much better.
Each to his own opinion.
Clynes playing very well but isn't on the same level as Rafael, that's not to say he won't be in the future.
Rafael is a bit overrated on here in my opinion. Every time a new right back gets mentioned people jump to his defence and claim he's better, but his performances haven't backed that up for a long time.
Rafael is a good player, nothing more. A couple of seasons ago he was arguably the best right back in the PL, he hasn't really shown that form for us as of late. He's 24 now and is still getting injured every other month like the rest of our (old) defence.
We need to shake things up in our defence. For all the individual qualities they all have, they haven't shown anything as a defensive unit to suggest we shouldn't or couldn't replace them.
We need to shake things up in our defence. For all the individual qualities they all have, they haven't shown anything as a defensive unit to suggest we shouldn't or couldn't replace them.
He really has been superb this season. His injury record is unfortunate. We definitely need a back up unless the coaches have identified someone from the reserves.
We need an experienced back up to Rafael, not another youngster
23 years old and in his 3rd season as a regaulr starter in the PL, I'd hardly call him a young prospect anymore, he's ready for a big move IMO, been impressed with him for a while and he's started stronger than ever this season, if I was Rodgers he'd be the guy I went for to replace Calamity Johnson.
Yeah he's quite experienced now. He played over 100 games in the Championship by the time he was 20.
I like him as a player but we'd probably have to pay £20 million to get him now, which is a bit extreme for back-up.
In truth despite how much I and many others like and rate Rafael, it wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if LvG opted for a freshen up at RB and if he does Clyne would be ideal.
Except he wouldn't be back up, for me he is better than Rafael both defensively and in an attacking sense. He also doesn't have that rash side to him that rafael seems to have.
He's quite a bit overrated defensively imo. Good going forward though.
I dont think so
He was Chambers' backup last season, a run of good form doesnt suddenly turn him into a £20 million player
Clyne lost his place after an injury then eventually got it back. Chambers was back-up and they just shifted him for £15 million despite him only playing 20 times in his career.
They are in the top 4, don't need to sell and he's just been called up to England. They also know we are minted and know we are desperate, so I don't see how they're letting him go for less than £20 million or close to it.
I'm not saying he's worth that much, but that's how much it would take.
Is he the one we could have for free, but we just assumed that Buttner is better choice and no cover for Rafael is great idea?
Clyne has filled in at left back and done okay, so if we bought him (I do think he would cost 15-20 million, which is obviously a lot) I think he'd also be Shaw's backup. As I said in the Darmian thread, it makes sense for us to just buy a fullback who can play on both sides to cover for Rafael and Shaw.
There's no chance they get more for him than Chambers.
Lol
You're right.
Rafael could be the assimilation of Lahm, Maldini and Irwin in one body however it would be pointless if he's constantly injured. We need players who are dependable and not magnificent talent who sits around in the treatment room.
Rafael is one of the most overrated player on the caf. He isnt rated that high outside Manchester.
This season should be his last chance.
This season should be his last chance.
Why should it matter what others think of united players when they do not regularly watch us? He has had a knock in training and suddenly that is his fault?!
Rafael fanboys are certainly not objective. Anybody looking at the situation objectively wouid say United need a RB that can be relied upon.
He'd be a very rational signing for us to make.
The scouting team clearly know a lot about him from previous interest and since then he's developed into one of the best full backs in the country, for me. There's nothing wrong with having two good right backs and with Rafael's injury record we could really do with one. He is also more than competent at left back so he'd solve a lot of problems. It's hard to think of a better realistic solution to our issues of depth at full back.
The scouting team clearly know a lot about him from previous interest and since then he's developed into one of the best full backs in the country, for me. There's nothing wrong with having two good right backs and with Rafael's injury record we could really do with one. He is also more than competent at left back so he'd solve a lot of problems. It's hard to think of a better realistic solution to our issues of depth at full back.
fans tend to overrate their own players. Rafael is a fan favorite and he gets away with lots of things. I was very excited about him during his first years. In the end he didnt live up to my expectation. He joined us 6 years ago and still couldnt fill the gaping void on the RB position. Injury records matter. A player who cant stay fit for over such a long period of time is not reliable, especially as defender, where you dont want to switch things around every match. Furthermore he is responsible for many defensive blooper. He is a very elegant player who is easy on the eye. Its lovely to watch him with the ball, but thats overshadowing his short comings.
We can stick with Rafael and pray for a miracle. A miracle, that he stops being injured all the time and that he gets consistent. Its certainly possible, but after such a long time the team should access alternatives.
Can you name at least 5 of those incidents without mentioning obvious Bayern game and his red card?
That's a story on which everybody jumped on apparently, Rafales is resposible for a lot of goals, he is too harsh, he acts like he's brainless and what not.
SUre he cant be be relied on cause of his injuries but him being good or not when fit is another matter.
The sort of incisive comment that the Caf thrives on.
I agree with other posters that Rafael is very overrated by United fans. I think this is because he is such a likeable little chap who throws himself into each game with such gusto. Unfortunately this strength is also perhaps his greatest weakness as his 'hot headedness' and forgetfulness when it comes to positioning, marking and the offside rule often let him down. I can recall more games recently where he has cost us points than ones where he has earned them.
2:1 against westbrom where he plays Berahino onside. Losing the header for the 3:1 against leichester. I am not saying that he is sole responsible for these goals, but he played his part. Its a myth that he is always top class when he plays. He makes his fair share of mistakes on a regular basis, but usually nobody talks about them. He is a solid defender but nothing more, considering the level we are talking about. In combination with his injury record, this becomes a real problem.
Quite the opposite, everybody talks about his mistake it seems, even faulting him for goals he wasnt responsible for and exactly because this story about him being bad defensively and being like a headless chickend and so on spreads around.
Vs WBA Jones was responsible as well as Rafael, and as for Leicester I cant remeber which header he lost for 3:1, maybe it wasnt ven him who lost the header.
Sparky up there says he can recall games where he cost us points but it would be interesting if he can name them.
Saying all that, given his injury record, we do need a new RB.
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