I wonder which of our rival clubs would consider offering Murtough the position he has at United if they were recruiting. There’s your answer.
Murtough's 2nd Summer | How did he do?
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I think there's a very good chance bailly and VdB will be in Turkey before their window closes so for outgoings it's only really maguire for me that should've moved that hadn't
I'm really surprised actually, I was convinced he'd want to play but he's seemingly happy to sit on the bench. Be interesting to see if Evans gets minutes over him, if he does then surely he'll be off in Jan (barring a massive injury crisis which you can't write off for us)
As far as incomings I suspect the takeover situation played a much bigger part here, not wanting to commit to too many players and grabbing 2 on loan keeps the balance sheet relatively low and the squad trim enough for a massive influx if/when the new owners arrive
I'm really surprised actually, I was convinced he'd want to play but he's seemingly happy to sit on the bench. Be interesting to see if Evans gets minutes over him, if he does then surely he'll be off in Jan (barring a massive injury crisis which you can't write off for us)
As far as incomings I suspect the takeover situation played a much bigger part here, not wanting to commit to too many players and grabbing 2 on loan keeps the balance sheet relatively low and the squad trim enough for a massive influx if/when the new owners arrive
How is McT easily valued above market when the only offer for him was at 30m?
Flip it. How many of the rivals clubs people would we want?
Its a shite window
None of the players are capable of pushing us onto the next level (except Onana)
It’s obvious our ambitions are limited to top four.
None of the players are capable of pushing us onto the next level (except Onana)
It’s obvious our ambitions are limited to top four.
I would take Edu think hes doing a great job
Quite obviously take City and Newcastle DOFs too
Murtough is not a DOF we should stop pretending he is
Mbappe market value is 150m + but that doesn't mean he is actually worth that amount. Because he is valued above market.
Ask Arsenal fans how he did until last year. Murtough has been with us on a recruiting role doing the similar jobs of a DoF for years now. @Adnan has written detailed posts related to his experience.
Ofcourse you are free to "stop " pretending whatever you want, but let's not twist the facts for the sake of it.
Last year was Edus second year in the job.
Murtough was working at youth and womens football not in the mens game. Its totally different. Also he was not a DOF and he clearly does not have have the relationships required.
Incomings : 8/10(needed another CB, and question marks still on Hojlund/Mount)
Outgoings : 4/10(self explanatory)
Total : 6/10.
Outgoings : 4/10(self explanatory)
Total : 6/10.
Hard to say until we’ve established as to whether the signings we’ve made have had a positive impact on the team.
On the face of it, it feels like an ‘ok’ window. We’ve managed to bring in quite a few players and bolstered the squad, most of the players we’ve brought are quality in theory and thus we have better strength in depth. This is important as this was a big factor in our dip in form post March.
The question mark is whether we have significantly improved the first 11. I like the look of Onana, he seems a good keeper, but haven’t seen enough of him yet to say whether he’s going to make that impact. Mount got an early injury after a difficult start and haven’t seen Rasmus play yet. So this isn’t apparent yet, though we will have to wait and see.
Outgoings were alright as well. We got rid of Elanga and Henderson for good fees as well as offloading several younger players we didn’t want to keep around. The main disappointment was not selling Maguire, but financially it just didn’t make sense to pay him off as well as taking the fee from West Ham. Not offloading Van De Beek and Baily was a bummer, but not easy to do so because of their contracts.
Considering we have had to manoeuvre FFP in this window, which has made it more difficult to sign players past the first 3, it’s been ‘ok’. I would give it 6/10 now, but that could go up or down based on how much impact the new signings have in the 1st team.
On the face of it, it feels like an ‘ok’ window. We’ve managed to bring in quite a few players and bolstered the squad, most of the players we’ve brought are quality in theory and thus we have better strength in depth. This is important as this was a big factor in our dip in form post March.
The question mark is whether we have significantly improved the first 11. I like the look of Onana, he seems a good keeper, but haven’t seen enough of him yet to say whether he’s going to make that impact. Mount got an early injury after a difficult start and haven’t seen Rasmus play yet. So this isn’t apparent yet, though we will have to wait and see.
Outgoings were alright as well. We got rid of Elanga and Henderson for good fees as well as offloading several younger players we didn’t want to keep around. The main disappointment was not selling Maguire, but financially it just didn’t make sense to pay him off as well as taking the fee from West Ham. Not offloading Van De Beek and Baily was a bummer, but not easy to do so because of their contracts.
Considering we have had to manoeuvre FFP in this window, which has made it more difficult to sign players past the first 3, it’s been ‘ok’. I would give it 6/10 now, but that could go up or down based on how much impact the new signings have in the 1st team.
8 is a bit high for incomings considering your question marks and fees paid for those players imo. Overall though I think a 6 is fair
3/10.
Overpaid for our signings, can’t get rid of players who aren’t needed in the squad and most of the transfer outs were academy players sold on the cheap.
Took till the last day of the window and we’re still light in midfield and upfront.
Like I said before, he’a far better at briefing the press about what he’s doing or supposed to do than actually doing.
Overpaid for our signings, can’t get rid of players who aren’t needed in the squad and most of the transfer outs were academy players sold on the cheap.
Took till the last day of the window and we’re still light in midfield and upfront.
Like I said before, he’a far better at briefing the press about what he’s doing or supposed to do than actually doing.
Who do you think he could have sold and should have sold given their fat wages?
So Edu is brilliant for spending 170 mill on Rice and Havertz and Murtaugh is useless for spending slightly more on Onana, Højlund, Mount and Amrabat...yeah that's logical 
Ok, so the best solution that he has is to keep them in the squad and paying them full wages.
At the very least send them out on loan. We don’t need a bunch of players sulking on the bench with limited playing time which kills their value even more and ruining the mood at the club.
I’d easily take City’s DOF Txiki Begiristain and his team. He’s one of the main reasons Pep joined City. He had done excellent work at Barca. Doubt City would even look at Murtough if Txiki leaves.
We can't afford every to bolster in every area in this window. What do you bring a striker to the cost of? Amrabat? Then you'd have a big whinge about no second midfielder. You cant sit like you think this is football manager and we can buy for every squad weakness area amid of FFP.
I didn't try and miss out DDG, I thought that was obvious. It was well reported everywhere but if you want to rewrite narratives then go nuts.
DDG staying was the plan but a series of calamitous performances in big games (West Ham away, Sevilla, FA Cup final being major ones) led to Ten Hag reprioritizing the areas he wanted to strengthen in the summer. It's worth noting Murtough did offer DDG a deal that better reflected his abilities, and lest just say theres a reason literally no club has gone in for him this window.
And you're whinging about what, Murtough trying to adapt to the reprioritized needs for the manager? feck off
The club is in a laughing stock position and Glazers are the problem. This thread is on how Murtough operated - and you can feel free to visit the OP for a better picture if you want.
Continue paying most their wages whilst they represent a mid table club, all whilst weakening our own squad as we hunt for multiple silverware? That sounds like bad idea.
If they were in the same positions in any company they would been sacked already, they have failed in every metric possible, unless their metrics were to fail, if that’s the case they have exceeded expectations
Not sorting the Maguire situation is a big issue especially given Varane’s lack of reliability.
Mount has potential and he should be given time to settle (even Casemiro took time to gel).
Onana was a sensible signing and I think his distribution and comfort on the ball will be a great plus.
Amrabat looked great in the World Cup and I think that tenacity is missing in the team currently. Also he wants to come here which is always great to see in a Player.
Evans on a free is fine. Play him in the carabao cup early rounds. Throw him on for 10 mins when we’re 2/3 goals up. Hopefully he’ll never be required for an extended run in the team but it’s nice that he might have a last hurrah with the team.
Hojlund is an exciting prospect but we’re so lacking in goals I hope he hits The ground running or else has the mental strength not to cave in if things don’t go his way.
Bayindir will be fine as a back up. Interesting to see if it’ll be him or Heaton for when Onana is at the cup of nations.
Mount has potential and he should be given time to settle (even Casemiro took time to gel).
Onana was a sensible signing and I think his distribution and comfort on the ball will be a great plus.
Amrabat looked great in the World Cup and I think that tenacity is missing in the team currently. Also he wants to come here which is always great to see in a Player.
Evans on a free is fine. Play him in the carabao cup early rounds. Throw him on for 10 mins when we’re 2/3 goals up. Hopefully he’ll never be required for an extended run in the team but it’s nice that he might have a last hurrah with the team.
Hojlund is an exciting prospect but we’re so lacking in goals I hope he hits The ground running or else has the mental strength not to cave in if things don’t go his way.
Bayindir will be fine as a back up. Interesting to see if it’ll be him or Heaton for when Onana is at the cup of nations.
I’m not denying there are better people out there but that is 1.
These DoF’s are mainly ex pros scouts, youth development jobbers. It’s isn’t a role blessed with elite C.Vs. Murtough’s Job roles you’ll find matches up with most.
People just don’t like the establishment he came from. However I’m still not sure if it’s him or just the people he works for as to the real issue with our club.
Either or the most import people are the owners.
I was hoping for a striker, GK, CM, backup striker and backup CB.
We have ended up with a GK and an expensive back up striker. The rest has been totally wasted imo.
We have ended up with a GK and an expensive back up striker. The rest has been totally wasted imo.
Summer transfers, had me a blast.
Summer transfers, happened so fast.
Summer transfers, happened so fast.
You can argue Mount isn't a CM, but surely Amrabat counts?
It's difficult to have too much faith in him given he was brought in by Moyes and then appointed as Football Director by Woodward, who apparently spent years scouring the globe for the best option and coincidentally it turned out they already worked for the club.
There have been some positives, we've cleared out some of the worst contracts at the club, made some decent sales (there should have been more but it's still be an improvement on previously), appointed a manager who I think is good (not Guardiola or Klopp good but an upgrade on Solskjaer or past-it Mourinho and Van Gaal) and I'm a fan of the Hojlund and Onana signings especially. I've also enjoyed and been informed by Adnan's posts about the additions to the scouting and sports science departments which do seem like a progression towards being closer to how the best run clubs operate.
The main concern is still how defendant on the manager our recruitment seems to be. I read that Guardiola has signed maybe a couple of players he's previously coached, I'm not sure Klopp ever has and yet we've signed 4 players who've worked under Ten Hag, plus the obvious links he has to the likes of Malacia, Weghorst, Mount and even to Arnautovic who we tried to sign, in little over a year despite him having worked at a lower level than the other 2 before and despite him having minimal involvement in recruitment at Ajax.
It either indicates that there's still a lack of faith in the quality of talent identification, despite the additions made, or that he doesn't have the authority or force of personality to convince Ten Hag to go for better or cheaper options that should have been found. There's just no way that a club running properly buys Antony for £80m+, they would have a list of players who are just as good or better available for better deals.
There have been some positives, we've cleared out some of the worst contracts at the club, made some decent sales (there should have been more but it's still be an improvement on previously), appointed a manager who I think is good (not Guardiola or Klopp good but an upgrade on Solskjaer or past-it Mourinho and Van Gaal) and I'm a fan of the Hojlund and Onana signings especially. I've also enjoyed and been informed by Adnan's posts about the additions to the scouting and sports science departments which do seem like a progression towards being closer to how the best run clubs operate.
The main concern is still how defendant on the manager our recruitment seems to be. I read that Guardiola has signed maybe a couple of players he's previously coached, I'm not sure Klopp ever has and yet we've signed 4 players who've worked under Ten Hag, plus the obvious links he has to the likes of Malacia, Weghorst, Mount and even to Arnautovic who we tried to sign, in little over a year despite him having worked at a lower level than the other 2 before and despite him having minimal involvement in recruitment at Ajax.
It either indicates that there's still a lack of faith in the quality of talent identification, despite the additions made, or that he doesn't have the authority or force of personality to convince Ten Hag to go for better or cheaper options that should have been found. There's just no way that a club running properly buys Antony for £80m+, they would have a list of players who are just as good or better available for better deals.
I want to be positive but on the surface it looks like we've spent a lot of money and the squad isn't much better
We could be playing an away game at Arsenal tomorrow with McTominay and Martial starting for United in 2023 its just not good enough
We could be playing an away game at Arsenal tomorrow with McTominay and Martial starting for United in 2023 its just not good enough
Did we originally pay one for McT?
And yet Chelsea managed to get the likes of Khoulibaly, Aubameyang, Havertz, Mount, Mendy, Loftus Cheek, and Pulisic out the door (many of whom were apparently on high wages.)
Because there was a market for them.
You cant force players out the door if they don't want to leave.
The ones with comparable wages to Maguire ended up in Saudi. Those comparable with Baily aren't crocks.
Murtough did still get Telles, Elanga, Henderson and Fred out the door. You're acting like he did nothing.
he didn’t do enough; you’re just sounding like an apologist. There was a market for Maguire and McTominay in the form of an offer from West Ham, which we should have accepted.
What a load of bollocks.
You would keep Murtough on?
And this is a classic example of why we continually can’t get rid of players we don’t want and don’t intend to use.We can't afford every to bolster in every area in this window. What do you bring a striker to the cost of? Amrabat? Then you'd have a big whinge about no second midfielder. You cant sit like you think this is football manager and we can buy for every squad weakness area amid of FFP.
I didn't try and miss out DDG, I thought that was obvious. It was well reported everywhere but if you want to rewrite narratives then go nuts.
DDG staying was the plan but a series of calamitous performances in big games (West Ham away, Sevilla, FA Cup final being major ones) led to Ten Hag reprioritizing the areas he wanted to strengthen in the summer. It's worth noting Murtough did offer DDG a deal that better reflected his abilities, and lest just say theres a reason literally no club has gone in for him this window.
And you're whinging about what, Murtough trying to adapt to the reprioritized needs for the manager? feck off
The club is in a laughing stock position and Glazers are the problem. This thread is on how Murtough operated - and you can feel free to visit the OP for a better picture if you want.
Continue paying most their wages whilst they represent a mid table club, all whilst weakening our own squad as we hunt for multiple silverware? That sounds like bad idea.
It’s mental that you think the same approach would change anything.
Im not an apologist, I'm just calling out lazy posts like " there was a market for Maguire and he should have accepted".
In Maguires case, we did accept it. It's a good illustration of posters whinging for the sake of it.
No, the big wages is why we can't force them off the books. And the big wages was a strategy of the Judge and Woodward era, not the Murtough one.
Wasn't sure if this was the right thread for it, but someone on Reddit made a very clean graphic of our squad depth. LCM still looks weak to me, ST and RW are relying a lot on youth, with ST in particular lacking depth due to Martial's injury woes. We look mostly healthy elsewhere.
We should have paid whatever extra was needed to get him out - a strong DOF also would’ve gone full Don Corleone on his mercenary ass.
Says a random keyboard warrior with no context or facts. I rest my case.
And what, not fund Amrabat? Are you aware of our FFP situation?