Murtough's 2nd Summer | How did he do?

His Hands and feet are tied by them cvnts in Florida. Still shit at his job though
 
Scattered and hectic again, unprepared with Greenwood, Maguire and embarrassingly disrespectful to De Gea. Awful negotiating again, positive spin in here will make you believe it's been a great summer. Facts are, we bought a backup keeper, a spurs reject for 3 months and a relegated cb we let go 8 years ago on the final day. Oh yeah and Amrabat on loan with fee to buy later, yeah it's gone smooth and to plan. Go Glazer bots, prove me wrong.
Greenwood has nothing to do with him. He accepted a Maguire bid and it was the player who rejected him.

Do you just want to make up his own remit and blame lots of shit on him for the sake of a whinge?
 
Thats made up bullshit. The journalists have said Amrabat has been a target long before mount got injured.
Then it's still terrible. If he was a target long before mount got injured, why not sign him earlier and let him adapt to the club quicker? I'm not buying it. Seems to me like the clubs hands are forced after letting go of Fred and Mount getting injured right after that. But we all know there's gonna be tightening after we signed Hojlund because the club owners are still the same greedy bastards.
Still on point when it comes into Erikssen injury (last season) and Shaw injury regardless though.
 
You have to say he got most of the targets that the manager wanted, even if some of them went right down to the wire. If the signings don't go well, it's more on Ten Hag than it is Murtough (though obviously the Glazer's penny pinching remains the real problem).
 
Needed another striker considering our attack is devoid of goals. Pretty big feck up to not do so.

Not surprised though
 
But we look forward, not back. They achieved the absolute minimum for the team they had. They’ve had klopp for 8+ years now and if we’ve achieved as little as he did then I will start toquestion ten Hag

If you only look at major trophies, and nothing else like cirrcumstances, rivals, etc, then yes.

I think it's a very, very narrow view.

Our best European years, by far, were 2008-2011. We only won the CL once and lost the final twice.
 
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I hate the fact that Martial, Maguire, Bailly, Van De Beek are still here.
I realize they're all massively overpaid, and that Maguire was an ass about his move. Not the easiest bunch to sell.

It's nigh on impossible to know who makes which calls behind the scenes.
I have a feeling that the Glazers have a huge part in a lot of deals not materializing, whether ingoings or outgoings.

I really don't know what I think about Mortough and Fletcher.
It's hard to imagine an established, proven DoF agreeing to work under such owners (surely we can sign one due to paying very well, but I expect such a person to get very very frustrated with how the club is run and leave very fast).

Our squad is in a better place than what it was some 2 years ago, but it still lacks severely.
The attack is crap, the midfield thin as feck, defense alright I suppose.

I'm not entirely sure it's "fair" to compare us to Man City,
what with them never probably paying players under the table, having the best manager in the world and most probably the best backroom staff in the world, never having to worry that some other club will buy their best players...

But they are the ones who set the bar for where we'd like to be, and we're so far from it's almost funny.

If Murtough's job is to get us a squad of players who're able to compete for the biggest trophies, it's looking very bad.
If his job is defined as "improving the squad while working at a club with lots of money but shitty owners who have to approve deals in a sport they know nothing about",
then I'd be more lenient with him.

I don't know. Our transfer policy and how it materialized looks in part comical, unorganized, whimsical...
hard to know how much of it is on him.
 
I think he's done alright for most part. We've generally got players in for the positions we need although they aren't necessarily first choice options in most cases. He's operating under stricter financial restrictions compared to others who did the same role, which means he's done comparatively better. He's moved some of the deadwood out but has more to do on that front.

One thing I dislike is the tendency to only sign players the manager seems to know about rather than rely on any kind of scouting. That system needs work and that's his responsibility to fix.

The more poignant problem lies more with the people above him really, who have crippled us financially and mismanaged the club for decades.
 
Pretty awful. Mount and Hojlund are very poor value signings who barely improve the team. Jury is still out on Onana. Maguire and McTominay shouldn't still be here. Amrabat is a good signing but he should have been signed a month ago.

The new owners will give Murtough and Arnold the boot and it will be no less than they deserve.
Hojlund didn't play a minute ffs.:lol:
 
He gets the deals done when needed. But of course the timing and the targets are affected by his corporate overlords. So not completely his fault that we had to sign players last minutes.
 
really poor, we could've sold well over 100M in Henderson, Elanga, DVB, Williams, McT, Maguire, Bailly, Fred, Telles.. which we should've used on proven goalscorer and Varane's cover. Not to mention selling the likes of Iqbal for peanuts. We overpaid on Mount & Hojlund too.
 
Can't complain. Brought the players eth wanted. No doubt about it.

Just not sure why or how we bungled selling Maguire and Scott.

Sofyan should have been brought earlier but looking at how we had no money, it's understandable.

Also did the right thing by moving away from de gea and bring in a sweeper keeper. It will pay off in the long run.
This isn't particularly in reply to you but I'm wondering what it means when people say we have no money. Is it that we actually don't have anything to spend or are the Glazers just unwilling to spend?
 
This isn't particularly in reply to you but I'm wondering what it means when people say we have no money. Is it that we actually don't have anything to spend or are the Glazers just unwilling to spend?

probably both?
We apparently didn't have much money to spend this window due to FFP [If I understand things correctly which I mightn't, it was reported that the spending we did last summer was accounted against future revenues], so we had to sell in order to buy this window.
Sure the Glazers are willing to spend up to a very certain point and not a penny more. But this "certain point" is nothing to cry about.

People can't say United have no money per se, or as a whole.
We spend it badly and pay stupid wages. No money my ass.

(my reply isn't directed at you specifically :) )
 
The players bought are more on ETH. I think he delivered in getting a lot of targets. Could have done with another player or two, but that depended on sales.

This is where i believe he failed. Maguire and McTominay mainly, and then also VdB, Bailly, Martial. Our squad is far too bloated.

I dont think it is as bad as people make out. It is just that we dont question or veto the managers choices and are still not good enough at selling and getting rid of unwanted players. Rinse repeat every year and with every new manager. Our strategy and problems remain the same.
 
There is those that will never be happy. Yes we needed Kane but we were never ever going to prihim From spurs, the fans moaning we didn’t get him are moaning we paid too much for Casimeiro at his age.

So we bought a striker who is basically potential, if it comes good we get a good 5-10 years out of him.

Couldn’t shift Maguire as he chose the money in his current contract, how’s that anyone’s fault.

Fred needed to go he was never good enough and had a year left.

I loved De Gea but it was his time.

Mount, the jury is out but he needs time and support. I trust Ten Hag on this one.

Amrabat, really happy with this.

Reguilon, as Ten Hag said this is an emergency signing. Did we expect a world beater to come in for a year knowing they were only covering?

Elanga and Henderson, 35m not bad.

Van De Beek and Bailly. Weird we couldn’t offload VDB. Bailly not so much. Hopefully go to the Saudis.

Scott McT. He’s still wanted as a squad player.

Last year we got an FFP fine and warning so the club have been sensible in bringing Amrabat as a loan. Yes we need another striker but FFP can’t allow this.

Overall I’m very happy. Will we win the league? No city will. They were and are miles ahead of everybody. I hope we have a good season and get closer.
 
Then it's still terrible. If he was a target long before mount got injured, why not sign him earlier and let him adapt to the club quicker? I'm not buying it. Seems to me like the clubs hands are forced after letting go of Fred and Mount getting injured right after that. But we all know there's gonna be tightening after we signed Hojlund because the club owners are still the same greedy bastards.
Still on point when it comes into Erikssen injury (last season) and Shaw injury regardless though.
Because he wasnt a priority signing and we needed to sell first.

The clubs hand wasn't forced. We got him on loan in the end, it was a cash issue and we needed him to force the move till deadline day.

And the cash issue is down to FFP, little of which can be put on Murtough having been here for one window up until this constraint.
 
My score for the summer window as a whole, (not on Murtough) would be a 3/10 I think, here's my working out.

Incomings

Onana - +1
I personally would have prefered Raya (cheaper and I think he's just as good) but I'm not going to complain about getting Onana, hopeful he'll be good for us.
Hojlund - +1 The more I think about this one, and the more you look at other fee's being sloshed around this window, I actually don't think the fee is as mad as first thought. He's young, loads of potential, and he's an actual striker - so whilst still a punt, think its a good one.
Mount +0 - I've never liked Mount, i've got loads of posts slagging him off for his England/Chelsea performances, so I can't just suddenly pretend he's amazing. I also think the amount we spent on him is absolutely ridiculous.... but ETH wanted him and we've backed the manager, so I won't go full -1... but I'm tempted.
Reguilon +0 - It's an emergency left back loan so meh,
Bayindir +0 - Again, hard to be that fussed about a reserve GK.
Amrabat +2 - Personally delighted with this one, I think he'll be great and it's a real advantageous deal for us, so it can have an extra point
Not signing another forward -1 - Even with Hojlund, still think we're a bit light up top, and essentially means we still have to rely on Martial a bit - a situation I can't wait for us to no longer be in.

Outgoings

Not selling Maguire -2
- I realise we tried, and we accepted an offer, but him still being here is pretty crap
Not selling McT -1 - I'm less bothered about this one, but he probably should have gone
Elanga +1 - Thought we got a decent whack for him
Henderson +1 - Same
Fred +0 - I suppose it's good we sold him, but we didn't exactly get a lot? I dunno
DDG +1 - Good that we moved on from him
Greenwood +1 - The way it handled was obviously dreadful but the outcome is the right one in my opinion - which I think is the main thing.
Selling a bunch of youngsters +0 - Glad we got a lot off the books, but feels like we barely got anything for them?
VDB (probably) Loaned and not sold -1 - Annoying we can't find a way to offload him.


So that is a score of 3/10.

In your case, the scores could have ranged from -32 to +32 (16 options from -2 to +2). So 35/64 =~ 55% or 5.5/10.
 
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really poor, we could've sold well over 100M in Henderson, Elanga, DVB, Williams, McT, Maguire, Bailly, Fred, Telles.. which we should've used on proven goalscorer and Varane's cover. Not to mention selling the likes of Iqbal for peanuts. We overpaid on Mount & Hojlund too.

The likes of Lewis Hall going for 35m and Cole Palmer for 42m suggests we did not overpay for Mount/Hojland. Its the market rate for these sort of players. Nunes went to City for a similar figure as Mount and he didn't exactly have a genius season at Wolves. Same with Havertz.
 
Scott McT. He’s still wanted as a squad player.

Last year we got an FFP fine and warning so the club have been sensible in bringing Amrabat as a loan. Yes we need another striker but FFP can’t allow this.
Still wanted by whom? ETH doesn't seem that keen. And if FFP is such a limiting factor, then wouldn't it make sense to sell a player like McTominay (I'll admit I don't really get how it all works, but I recall hearing that selling homegrown players is advantageous when dealing with FFP. Is that not true?)
 
City and arguably Arsenal, although jury’s still out, have both had better windows. We are not going to challenge until the owners go.
 
Not good.

Decent incomings, but absolutely atrocious at outgoings. Most FFP problems were self inflicted in this window. The Maguire+McT 60M bid rejected would go down as the most braindead decision of this summer. Its bad in context of what other clubs did and the level of competition right now.

This clown needs to be sacked. ETH deserves a proper DOF, otherwise its gonna be him who will be thrown under the bus eventually.
 
I think we’re 1 short of what we were all hoping. We were never in for another striker so it’s pointless banging on about it. Had Maguire gone and been replaced, it would have been the best window we could have realistically landed on.

Is anyone actually that bothered about VdB and Bailly not being sold? I couldn’t care less, neither are going to play and for me I’m not surprised McT is still here, I expect to see him get plenty of minutes, at least until Mainoo is back from injury.

Now the window has closed, I’m happy with the outcome.
 
The whole "but but Maguire refused to leave" thing is naive to me.

We got 60M bid for Maguire and McT. We could have used that money to buy(not overpay on a loan) Amrabat and Pavard, and would still have 10M left to pay Maguire off. At that point Maguire would be 6th choice CB, so he would leave anyway.

We just fecked it up. We overplayed our hand, and now are stuck with couple of players who we wil sell for much less next season after they barely feature this one.
 
really poor, we could've sold well over 100M in Henderson, Elanga, DVB, Williams, McT, Maguire, Bailly, Fred, Telles.. which we should've used on proven goalscorer and Varane's cover. Not to mention selling the likes of Iqbal for peanuts. We overpaid on Mount & Hojlund too.

You can only pay what the market dictates. The Saudis are willing to splash £150 million and rising on Salah. Chelsea are also inflating the market. There are very few strikers around and compared to the Rice, Grealish, Caceido, and Enzk Fernandez fees Mount in midfield is cheap. Some have judged him very early. The market inflation is here to stay at least for the next few years until the Saudis get established or board.
 
Still wanted by whom? ETH doesn't seem that keen. And if FFP is such a limiting factor, then wouldn't it make sense to sell a player like McTominay (I'll admit I don't really get how it all works, but I recall hearing that selling homegrown players is advantageous when dealing with FFP. Is that not true?)
It is from the point of view that there was no transfer fee originally.
 
8.5/10

Onana/De Gea/Henderson

The collective decision to allow DDG to leave on a free and sign Onana was a bold one, but much needed. Bear in mind, even as late as Feb/March, it seems that we planned to continue into this season with DDG as #1. It became clear as his performances slipped further and further into the abyss that this was untenable, so the club was forced to act. I think ideally Murtough wanted to limp on for one more season and spent the £45m elsewhere, but in the end they made the right choice and I like what I see from Onana.

Selling Henderson was also the right thing to do. £20m is on the cheap side, but really he should have gone after his loan at Sheff Utd. if we wanted to maximise his value, and that's not on Murtough.

Reguillon

Not much to say about this, other than it makes sense to bring in a short-term loan with our two senior left backs both out injured.

Amrabat

Feel the club have been quite smart here. We were obviously treading a very, very fine line with FFP and every pound counted. It seems the player was in-demand and one of ETHs top targets, but we just didn't have the funds to sign him permanently. Therefore the loan with an option to buy makes good sense, and I expect us to make the transfer permanent in January.

Mount

This one will divide people so im not going to talk about Mount as a player. I'm only going to talk about the fact that Mount was one of ETHs top targets and Murtough delivered. Personally, I think he'll be a success. I also think those saying we overpaid are plain wrong about that. In this market, £55m + £5m add-ons for a regular international with an established record of playing for a top club/in the Champions League (has won it) is cheap. Bear in mind, Chelsea spent most of that money on Lavia, a teenager from the Championship. He might be amazing, but it tells you where the markets at.

Hojlund

The idea that we ever had a shot at getting Kane or Osimhen was absolutely 100% dead in the water, if ever there WAS a chance, the minute the club decided to replace DDG with Onana. That £45m + the Hojlund money MIGHT have put us somewhere in the region required...but even then I highly doubt Levy would have sold us Kane and I don't think Napoli would have sold Osimhen for £115m. I actually think we did really well, because I think that under the old regime, Levy would have strung us along right until the last minute and we'd have either paid an absolutely insane fee or he'd have still sold Kane to Bayern and left us scouring the freebie veteran market again on deadline day. Hojlund was in the 95th percentile for goals per minute in Serie A last season and has 6 in 5 for Denmark, so criticism of his goalscoring record is far too premature. He could be anything, we don't know...but in my opinion it's pointless to talk about Kane and Osimhen as if they were viable options.
 
The whole "but but Maguire refused to leave" thing is naive to me.

We got 60M bid for Maguire and McT. We could have used that money to buy(not overpay on a loan) Amrabat and Pavard, and would still have 10M left to pay Maguire off. At that point Maguire would be 6th choice CB, so he would leave anyway.

We just fecked it up. We overplayed our hand, and now are stuck with couple of players who we wil sell for much less next season after they barely feature this one.
You use this logic and say others are naieve.

Maguire needed a pay off to be convinced to leave. Bringing in other center backs would be a huge gamble and you have no way of knowing if his true ambition was the status of being a United player on big wages or playing for England.
 
All crapness is forgiven with the Sofyan Arambat transfer. Credit to the man he got it done in a very unique way. I'll give him a 9/10 because we got the CM we needed and MM who we didn't need. The 1 deduction is for keeping Bailiy and Maguire, both need to go.
 
Feels a bit like one of Van Gaals windows

A lot in, quite a lot out, but not really sure if we’ve moved forward or not.

A long list of ins but how many of them are the quality we need? Onana probably, Mount possibly, Hojlund hopefully with the emphasis on hope.

Amrabat screams of one of those situations where transfer muppets have become obsessed with a name / idea rather than knowing much about the player and pinned all their hopes on him. Hope I’m proven wrong.

If we’re rating Murtough he made some good decisions re: Kane and not letting our pants get pulled down on some transfers but overall he’s not the negotiator and he seemingly isn’t in charge of our football strategy either since Ten Hag dictates this so no sure why he deserves much mention at all in relation to transfers.
 
If you dont get suckered in by the histrionics on talkshi*te, Sky,etc then we have had a good window, working to a plan.

Signed 3 priority objectives and had them sewn up before the US tour, althogh we inevitably payed a MUFC tax on all 3 of arguably 10%, they were all over the line and sorted in decent time.

Signed One of the best performers of the WC in Amrabat for package of £30mill, pretty good i would say. Didnt get our pants pulled down and got the right deal for us. We would of overpaid and panicked in recent years, especially given how clear it is we need a player like him to function with any kind of balance, and every pundit piling on pressure.

Brought in Regulon on a no fee loan, as late in the day emergency cover and can pack him off back to spurs in January for nowt.

Also dealt with De Gea, Greenwood situation, Glazer mess & trying to tout Maguire, Mct, Fred, Bailly et al.

Had to manage the spend within FFP regs properly, and transparently.

Im honestly not sure what more people expected from him. Maybe bringing in Kane but Levy wasnt going to let that happen.
 
So many wants us to be city in one transfer window with FFP all over us, that’s delusional. I am a little worried about the overpaying for players ETH wants. But okay, I think it happens every time a new coach comes in to make him happy and on track with his tactics.
Will rate it 8/10 - can see why we got these players, we got rid of some deadwood - hopefully more in January or next summer.
I am so happy we didn’t get Kane on a massive wage, would be same sh*t all over again. Hojlund is exiting and someone we could build over squad around.
 
I said we are no closer to where we were last season.

Onana is an upgrade to DDG but what will this upgrade be worth in points if our defence hasn't improved and only having a marginal improvement up front.

When you factor in a potential decline in performance from Casemiro and Eriksen where is the big improvement.

Højlund is the wildcard from last sesson to this season. If he's a hit right out the gate then its a serious upgrade but realistically, I don't see him having that big of an impact in his first season.

2020/21 squad is stronger than last season and this season. So I stand by my point that Murtough has had two seasons in charge and not built a stronger squad.

Goal is upgraded. Our defence is already good - had the most clean sheets in the PL last season, for crying out loud. That's a real improvement in that area.

As for the rest, we just don't know. If at least one of Amrabat or Mount has a major impact, and Mainoo maybe gets some good performances in, then midfield is looking better. As you say, potential decline from Casemiro and/or Eriksen is also an unknown.

Nobody has any clue what sort of impact Hojlund will have on our attack. Could be nothing, could be major. Then there's whether Antony, Sancho and Garnacho will improve - they all have to, if they're going to be legitimate pieces of this team going forward.

Verdict: We'll know by christmas.

I'm disappointed by the outgoings, which seem less than you could reasonably expect. Even if you give the club the benefit of doubt on Maguire (demanding a big payout and not really keen to leave) and Martial (injured), it's hard to accept that nothing could be done with Bailly and van de Beek. And I don't see how pricing out Scott McTominay is a smart move. We now have EIGHT central midfielders for three spots, which is at least one and arguably two more than we need. I don't see where McTominay gets his game time, unless the others either underperform or are injured, or ETH thinks McT is better than the players he bought. In the first case we're in trouble, in the second case we bought the wrong players. And if McT doesn't get his game time, his value will only decline. It doesn't add up. The 35m thereabouts we could clearly have gotten for him would have been better spent on something else.
 
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Now that the windows finally closed, it's time to assess his performance.

Positive points

  • Mount is a high-risk high-reward kind of signing. Maybe we slightly overpaid, but he was one of ETH top priorities and we faced competition from other top clubs for him. Now it is up to ETH to get the best out of him
  • Onana is one of the best modern GK around. Finalist of last year Champions League and knows ETH very well. The price, is probably, in line with the market
  • Rasmus H…another high-risk high reward signing. He was very expensive but similar players such as Ramos and Kolo Muani had even higher price tags. The market for strikers has been very demanding this year and we simply paid market price for him
  • Amrabad comes too late but has the potential to be a very smart move. Furthermore, the deal has been excellent and relatively low-risk
  • Moved Henderson and Elanga for decent money given the wages and injuries
  • Reguilon, desperate signing… we could have done much worse
Negative points

  • It is not entirely his fault, because without the huge contracts offered by Ed, it would have been much easier to move some players such as Maguire, McT, Bailly, VdB, etc. However, the truth is that they are still here, they are not going to play much and their values are only going to decrease
  • We didn’t manage to get much money for our youngsters. Also, some of our young players should have been gone on loan. Hannibal, Gore, Amad and Pellistri, to name a few, will not play as much as they should
  • How he managed the De Gea situation has painful to see

I assume the MG situation is down to our CEO rather than to him.

Overall, a solid 7/10 windows for us. Now it is up to ETH to deliver that he clearly has the players he wanted.
 
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Greenwood has nothing to do with him. He accepted a Maguire bid and it was the player who rejected him.

Do you just want to make up his own remit and blame lots of shit on him for the sake of a whinge?
So ETH didn't want a striker in to replace Greenwood then, united paying some of his wages for a year was the answer. Love how you left out De Gea too, offering a contract and then taking it away, disgraceful. The Spurs reject and Evans not mentioned, you have the balls then to say it's a whinge. It's complete frustration at this stage, United should the best in class and have inept people in there role, another Summer window of these owners. Giving this role to someone who is not up to it.

No positive spin for the absolute carnage at the end of the window. I blame a lot on his incompetent actions, second summer in. Club is an absolute laughing stock but some posters still refuse to admit it, because we need positivity. Some are calling it for what it is, while some bury there head in the and sand as usual.
 
The thing I keep seeing about overpaying is interesting to me, the prices are just the market for instance Chelsea paid just 10 mill less than we paid for Mount for a player that has done nothing in comparison.

The prices we've paid are just the going rates for players now
 
Maguire needed a pay off to be convinced to leave. Bringing in other center backs would be a huge gamble and you have no way of knowing if his true ambition was the status of being a United player on big wages or playing for England.

Maguire is staying because he knows he will get games as the 4th/5th choice CB because Varane is injury prone. If we had another RCB, Maguire knew he would barely get any games this season, and would leave as that hangs his Euro place in jeopardy. Strip his captaincy, let him know he is redundant, but he can stay as 6th choice CB if he wants or leave for 10M. I guarantee you he would leave, as would most players(not the likes of Bailly).
 
He's done very well this summer.

We all knew what we needed: a striker, another midfielder and a keeper. With about 120mil in the pot. I'd thought he would struggle stretching that to include getting the keeper.

But not only have we recruited all three, we've also added another midfielder and the reserve keeper. Some of the deals like Reguilon and Amarabat also give us the option to get rid easily if they're a bit naff. Sales were a bit understanding but Ed handing out big contracts to everyone didn't help, so I can't blame him for that. The players we bought in also aren't on silly wages which allows greater flexibility re FFP in future windows.

Overall, he's done great with limited resources.
 
His Hands and feet are tied by them cvnts in Florida. Still shit at his job though
On the flip side, if those cvnts didn’t own us he wouldn’t even be near the job he has.