Essay incoming
Murtough's 2nd Summer | How did he do?
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Jeez, Cafe never ceases to amaze. People need to get out of this fm or fifa mode.
Rashford's game out of possession hasn't been good enough and it's been a concern of mine for a while now. There's been games where he hasn't even attempted to chase back or close down the opponent. The game against Spurs was quite worrying in that regard where I thought his out of possession game hindered our attempts to enforce the press which gave Spurs an easy an out. And if you play him CF and he doesn't press with intelligence and intensity, then the midfield will be exposed if we're playing high up the pitch. It's why I'm looking forward to seeing Hojlund play because he's going to bring that intensity out of possesion which we've missed for a long time.
Rashford did apply himself quite well out of possession against Forest whilst playing on the left. He did make a mistake with the first goal but I thought his work rate out of possession was good in that particular game. And he has to show the same level of intensity with and without the ball every game.
My thoughts exactly however I’m not convinced his off the ball pressing and intensity are the required standards for ETH even in his preferred LW role.
For my part I think I'd like to be spared the experience of seeing what he could do under new owners. Don't see why they'd keep him on.
which, Murtough apologist, is idiotic and given he’s hardly played, he should’ve been moved on.
Not great, but he's an attacker who can be indulged a bit due to his productivity. Ronaldo wasn't productive at all on top of being atrocious out of possession and in pressing.
You resorting to petty insults show you have feck all to stand on. After being negated on all false points the only reason you have to mark him down is not selling McTominay
You resorting to petty insults show you have feck all to stand on. After being negated on all false points the only reason you have to mark him down is not selling McTominay
negated! You do have a point about the petty insults though. Just frustrating times.You mentioned two players where the club accepted bids. If the players reject that's not his mistake. Hes not fecking Charles Xavier
It’s admittedly different times, but I don’t imagine the likes of Ince and Hughes wanted to leave, and yet they did.
Yes, its different times. A DoF can negotiate deals for players to exit and agree the fees but if the player says no, that's not on him.
Players are doing this by the way, because Woodward + Judge gave stupid wages to them. That's one of the things Murtough is looking to change.
Too early to say. But I think it's difficult when the likes of VDB, Maguire and McTominay all reject moves away.
Let’s hope so, although I’d argue that the wages given to Antony don’t look like a promising step in the right direction. Casemiro’s as well, although I kind of get that given his pedigree.
winston bogarde.. not only reserves, he was being thrown in youth team to force him to leave..
I am not going to lie, having to resort to a Jonny Evans-Harry Maguire central defense at the end of a top game in 2023 is not ideal.
Pulisic to Man City as he’s a good player.
Mount to Utd as he’s a good player.
Havertz to Arsenal as they like a cheat. Mendy, Koulibaly, Aubameyang, to the Saudis as they don’t have scouts.
These muppets running this club into the ground is where the focus should be. Absolutely fecking useless.
It's hard to know what the quality of the manager is when he's also competing against ownership and the empty suits that call the shots at the club.
We should have cleaned house of players like Maguire, and Evans wasn't good enough at this level a decade ago...
We're not turning this thing around until we're out from under the Glazers and the clowns they keep putting in charge of things.
We should have cleaned house of players like Maguire, and Evans wasn't good enough at this level a decade ago...
We're not turning this thing around until we're out from under the Glazers and the clowns they keep putting in charge of things.
Agreed. As much as Pep, he's the reason they're so good. No-one outside of United would look at Murtough. He just happened to be at the club so they decided they'd pick him.
Definitely. I'd say that's why we lost. We're still suffering from Maguires contract and that of the other deadwood (e.g. vbd, Martial)
As a side note, judging transfers right after a defeat is silly. People are always OTT.
It’s 2023 and we’re giving minutes to Maguire, McTominay and Evans. We’re playing a RB at LB
The squad is awful and we’re one of the highest spenders in in Europe he should be getting rightly criticised
He should be criticised but let's be honest, if we had won, he wouldn't be getting criticism as intense.
I need my essay on scouting structure and Murtough brilliance to ease the pain of fecks knows how many concecutive away defeats to good sides.
5 players brought in and we’re still fecking shit
Three of the five weren't involved, another came on as a sub for his debut...
The recruitment has been poor over last two summers in relation to what we’ve spent. Haven’t bought anyone exceptional or who looks like a real bargain.
See posters comparing Murtough to Edu but Edu bought Saliba, Gabriel, Martinelli and Odegaard for same as what we paid for Anthony. That has meant that the flops like Pepe haven’t hurt them as much, we have continued the Woodward policy of putting all our eggs into certain players and then leaving ourselves nowhere to go.
Someone like Onana is a good player but his not elite and not worth 55m, Mount I think is a good player but not someone we needed. Martinez is probably best value possibly and Hojlund could be a star potentially but Anthony just doesn’t have the skillset for this league and Casemiro is just so slow and ponderous now he’ll need to be replaced.
When we got a DOF we needed someone with the drive and status to drastically change our approach, as soon as we appointed Murtough it just confirmed what I suspected that that’s not what the owners wanted.
See posters comparing Murtough to Edu but Edu bought Saliba, Gabriel, Martinelli and Odegaard for same as what we paid for Anthony. That has meant that the flops like Pepe haven’t hurt them as much, we have continued the Woodward policy of putting all our eggs into certain players and then leaving ourselves nowhere to go.
Someone like Onana is a good player but his not elite and not worth 55m, Mount I think is a good player but not someone we needed. Martinez is probably best value possibly and Hojlund could be a star potentially but Anthony just doesn’t have the skillset for this league and Casemiro is just so slow and ponderous now he’ll need to be replaced.
When we got a DOF we needed someone with the drive and status to drastically change our approach, as soon as we appointed Murtough it just confirmed what I suspected that that’s not what the owners wanted.
If I remember correctly there was also reports that Murtough was looking to place someone in a position under him, it feels like he doesn't have the conviction necessary to lead the club's sporting operations. Arguably the DOF is an even more important role than the manager so it needs to be someone who's definitive in their beliefs and ideology.
This isn't reactionary to the result as I've stated this before the season began, but the signings have been questionable including Casemiro on the premise of finances spent and the longevity of his influence and contribution. When you look at who United have spent money on, there's very minimalist evidence to predict what the strategy is over the next five years. It's very scattergun and opportunistic and I have always maintained that since being under ETH the team is being put together not built. It's very hard to forecast the success of the team.
Prior to this, United's relative success for the present and upcoming seasons is not determined by the quality of the team, but by the relativity in strength of the opposition. The team aren't moving the needle enough in the windows. It reflects poor planning. The whole De Gea debacle is a great example of this it reflects poorly om the club's management.
Will nominate him for a knighthood if he can move on, Sancho, Martial, Bailly, Maguire & McTommy within the next 6 months.
We won't be able to properly judge until like mid-October because we never seem to get our business done early in the window.
That is enough to mark him down.
That is enough to mark him down.
Spent a huge amount of money and hasn't taken us much forward at all. Not a fan
Unfortunately for him that slow ass wouldn’t leave and allow us to get a Pavard or Todibo who we could have done with at the end.
Every time, we see Evans + Maguire partnership is a minus one for Murtough.
Also this season totally depends on how Hojlund perform with the team. So let pray he wont get another injury
Also this season totally depends on how Hojlund perform with the team. So let pray he wont get another injury
Incomes (in euros):
Højlund 75m
Mount 64,2m
Onana 52,5m
Amrabat 10m loan fee
Bayindir 5m
Evans free
Reguilon free loan
Total spent. 206,7m
8/10 for me. Missed a CB an an experienced striker to be a 10.
Outcomes (in euros)
Henderson 17,5 m
Elanga 17,5m
Fred 9,7m
Kovar 5m
Telles 4,6m
Iqbal 1m
Total income 55,3m
6/10 for me. Failed to get rid of DVB, the fridge, Martial and McTominay.
Total balance: 151,3m spent. Above the reported 100-120m, but not by a lot.
Højlund 75m
Mount 64,2m
Onana 52,5m
Amrabat 10m loan fee
Bayindir 5m
Evans free
Reguilon free loan
Total spent. 206,7m
8/10 for me. Missed a CB an an experienced striker to be a 10.
Outcomes (in euros)
Henderson 17,5 m
Elanga 17,5m
Fred 9,7m
Kovar 5m
Telles 4,6m
Iqbal 1m
Total income 55,3m
6/10 for me. Failed to get rid of DVB, the fridge, Martial and McTominay.
Total balance: 151,3m spent. Above the reported 100-120m, but not by a lot.
Did not get rid of players the manager wanted out. Already causing dressing room unrest.
Did not get the manager 2 CFs (there were plenty available on a free)
Evans was the CB signing for the manager… Maguire and Evans cost us the Rice goal today.
Signed the CM the manager wanted where the player agreed to join the club in June on the last day of the window.
Not good enough
Did not get the manager 2 CFs (there were plenty available on a free)
Evans was the CB signing for the manager… Maguire and Evans cost us the Rice goal today.
Signed the CM the manager wanted where the player agreed to join the club in June on the last day of the window.
Not good enough
Exactly.
We were playing Jonny Evans against Arsenal away for christ sake! 400m in just 3 transfer windows and we had to relly on a 35 past it CB against top team If that is not an indication of how poor Murtough has been then nothing is.
That's because this man has ZERO networks in the football world. I said before that Murtough has zero expertise, zero experience, zero networks to be Manchester United first ever DoF. We complained about ETH signings (rightly so), problem is whether we have confidence in this man to make his own decision in the transfer market?
If that is not an indication of how poor Murtough has been then nothing is.That's because this man has ZERO networks in the football world. I said before that Murtough has zero expertise, zero experience, zero networks to be Manchester United first ever DoF. We complained about ETH signings (rightly so), problem is whether we have confidence in this man to make his own decision in the transfer market?
It wasn't briefed that Sancho was up for sale. We would have accepted an offer for him though, if one came, but we weren't openly flogging him. Ten Hag's use of him in pre-season showed he was happy to cater for him too, unlike Fred.
Which CF would you have got in on a free?
I think the Amrabat deal is an FFP issue not exactly related to Murtough. Though he did over pay for Hojlund, there would have been loud banging from fans if he didn't pay and get him in early.
It was briefed multiple times ETH was happy to sell Sancho and bring in a versatile forward. Sancho was on the original list of players United were looking to sell, however it was always said the club were not optimistic due to his wages.
There was even a suggestion of him going on loan to Dortmund (which I believe was driven by his camp). Ten Hag also used Maguire in preseason the fact Sancho played out of position in pre season whilst we looked for a striker tells you enough.
Especially as come start of the season he didn't start him, he's not wanted and he knows it
Thuram who went to Inter, Dembele from Lyon off the top of my head.
As for Amrabat and Hojlund, he overpaid which is why we had an issue signing Amrabat. He also failed to sell multiple players.
No one is saying you have to overpay, we need better negotiators at the club period.
So we basically have 2 starters injured, 2 others subbed off during the game because of what looked like injury, but it’s lack of planning to have had to use your 5th and 6th choice CB 5min before the end of a game?We were playing Jonny Evans against Arsenal away for christ sake! 400m in just 3 transfer windows and we had to relly on a 35 past it CB against top team
That's because this man has ZERO networks in the football world. I said before that Murtough has zero expertise, zero experience, zero networks to be Manchester United first ever DoF. We complained about ETH signings (rightly so), problem is whether we have confidence in this man to make his own decision in the transfer market?
Also, how would you know his experience or his network?
Are you yourself director at any top flight european club by any chance, so that you would be privy to who knows who and who has experience and who hasn’t?
You’re just venting because you’re unhappy we lost a game, nothing in your post makes any sense at all