It's funny that the man responsible for making Everton what they were is now a liability. It's almost like he's making this up as he goes along.
Moyes: "There's no budget" | Moyes told that he can spend as much as he likes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
why was this thread bumped for for a norf landan bitchfest?
Glaston's now going to nitpick at words. Yeah, everyone knows the difference between will and might but it's still sort of implying. It's getting pathetic, as Sarni pointed out.
He said that there was a significant chance of us finishing outside top 4 a year before we won the league with 5 games to go. If that's not a wrong prediction then hell knows what is, I'm glad that Brwned came up with these quotes (especially as Glaston has tried to deny ever making these predictions) but nonetheless not surprised that Glaston is trying to spin them around.
And the same man is now going great guns into making United into what Everton were. Dour conservatism and Fellaini have been two steps in that direction. Have fun.
Ah yes, the Evertonization of Man Utd. While Martinez turns Everton into Man Utd.
Pete and Glaston. Redcafe's homage to Laurel and Hardy.
Near 30 million for a 29 year old striker to lead the line, and offers no physical presence... And apparently we overpaid with Ozil?
Have to admit though Eriksen is class and the Spuds are the perfect platform for him to impress CL teams. I expect in two season's time CL clubs like United will snap him up and take him to the next level again.
Is it true that this is the highest position the Spuds have reached on the table for many years? (I've read this, cannot confirm though)
Yet they're still looking up at us.
Yet they're still looking up at us.
I've thought this many times. I was certain it was Pete taking his game to a new level at one point, but Pete is at least humorous and obvious when he's on form... Glaston comes across as if he's on been brainwashed.
Top quality page, this, and the last one. And there I was thinking the Transfer Forum was going to die a slow death till Jan...
Too much sense. Get out.
We play in the CL and regularly feature in the latter stages. Unlike spurs,who have played 8 CL games in their existence.
Good objective post.
Do you actually believe that living in London is any sort of pull? Or that many players actually care about the manager they are moving to play for?
If Chelsea haven't shown you that players don't really care about the team manager (how many players have they signed without there even being a manager at Chelsea?) or the location of the club (how many top players have City signed from big clubs in a nicer location?) then I'm not sure what will.
The only thing the vast majority of players really care about is their pay packet and Champions League Football, in that order.
I thought it was pretty much a given? Both location and manager are huge factors in any transfer, but London clubs have an ability to attract players in a way most of the country cannot.
It's been my view all summer that Spurs will struggle to finish in the top 4. Even with the additions. You're still not as good as us, Chelsea, City, or Arsenal.
Unless it's a Ferguson or Wenger like manager that you know will stay at the club for a considerable period of time it doesn't really add much value to the choice. With Villas Boas you know he'll be on the move once a club like Madrid or even PSG come knocking anyway.
I've never seen a transfer where I say to myself "lucky their club is in London otherwise x player would never have moved there". The factors are always size of club and wage packet . City have proven many times that players are quite happy in Manchester if they are remunerated well, as have any other clubs that pay big in undesirable locations - Anzhi, Fenerbahce, Zenit etc.
The only time I can see a manager having any effect is if the player has previously played under said manager and they are pretty close. However as Isco proved with Pellegrini, this is still a very small pull that is easily trumped by wages/size of club.
I'd be happy to change my mind if you wanted to list some signings that were confirmed to go to a club simply because of the location or manager, rather than size of club, Champions League and/or money on offer.
Put it this way - I'm sure even the most hardcore Arsenal fan would accept that had we gone in full throttle for Ozil he wouldn't be in London.
So he's going to go from having players over perform to having better players underperform? Good logic.
Breaking on ssn that we bid for bale according to perez.
Wouldn't surprise me, but I don't suppose it was ever serious...
Just about to do a piece on it now. I dunno if it's been mentioned here already.
Even if we matched Madrid which we won't have Bale wouldn't have come here.
Glaston will come here soon to correct him that Spurs actually played 10 CL games in 2010-11 and 12 if you count qualifiers against Young Boys.
Is that true?....feck me that puts things in perspective.
After he joined Madrid or before? You never know with Woody, the man likes a challenge.
It matters far more at the middle level than it does at the top level. Look at Modric when he came to the PL. Newcastle would have given him better wages and agreed a fee with Zagreb but he wanted to live in London.
And I think the fact we're in London helped Ozil in his decision. Sadly I think you're deluded if you believe Ozil wants to play for David Moyes in Manchester.
3rd place.
Agree with the first paragraph, but obviously it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand (not mid table teams).
In terms of Ozil I'm sure you are just pulling my leg. A team that loses the quality of players you have in recent years can only take solace in that wages are the only factor to players nowadays. Otherwise you'd essentially be admitting that you were a second tier club.
/edit: Good on you re: post #594!
It was a loan deal.
Which - given your summer of transfer failure and ineptitude - only serves to underline how badly the Moyes factor is already beginning to play. You had massive wages and CL football to offer, yet ended up signing Fellaini at the last minute.
Spurs had less to offer in wages and no CL football, yet we still signed Ericksen and Paulinho for a combined price that equates to what you paid for Fellaini.
What Spurs manager over the last decade is better than Moyes, all factors considered?
No, he's going to go from managing a mid-table team that generally performed at mid-table level, to managing a better team that will thus perform at a better level than Everton but still perform significantly less well than that same team did under Fergie.
In summary, Fergie got your squad/team to over-perform relative to it's actual level of talent, whilst under Moyes the performance will drop to a lower level, one that more accurately reflects the squad's actual level of talent. This effect is/will be compounded by his frozen-rabbit-in-the-headlamps stance .... safety first and all that, hence Fellaini for example.