Moyes: "There's no budget" | Moyes told that he can spend as much as he likes

GlastonSpur said:
Which - given your summer of transfer failure and ineptitude - only serves to underline how badly the Moyes factor is already beginning to play. You had massive wages and CL football to offer, yet ended up signing Fellaini at the last minute.

Spurs had less to offer in wages and no CL football, yet we still signed Ericksen and Paulinho for a combined price that equates to what you paid for Fellaini.
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You guys are like little lab rats that get cancer and later cancer treatment. If Paulinho or Ericksen turn out to be any good, we'll bu them.

AVB too, if by chance, Moyes turns out to be a failure and we need a new manager, we'll sign him. He's only managing Spurs to remove the Chelsea stain. Or that Bald guy you guys got from Roma.

Heck, with the new revenue, I am sure we could buy WHL. How's the new stadium btw? I've heard smaller clubs often have an issue with stadia.

We will always, in anyways possible, be a bigger club than Spurs. Which is not a big deal in and itself, but if you are acting like a pricl.
 
Everest Red said:
You guys are like little lab rats that get cancer and later cancer treatment. If Paulinho or Ericksen turn out to be any good, we'll bu them.

AVB too, if by chance, Moyes turns out to be a failure and we need a new manager, we'll sign him. He's only managing Spurs to remove the Chelsea stain. Or that Bald guy you guys got from Roma.

Heck, with the new revenue, I am sure we could buy WHL. How's the new stadium btw? I've heard smaller clubs often have an issue with stadia.

We will always, in anyways possible, be a bigger club than Spurs. Which is not a big deal in and itself, but if you are acting like a pricl.
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And in one post, the reason why United fans have a bad name.
 
What's this "over-perform relative to actual talent" tripe?

United have often had the best collection of talent in England over the last two decades. Only Arsenal 2000-04 , Chelsea 2005-10, and City in the last two years with their billions come close in comparison.

It's why the club has won 13 titles since 1993. SAF identified the talents, the club nurtured the players, SAF molded them, and more often than not the vast collection of talent delivered titles, basically because they were better than most other sides. It's as if Glaston believe United have never had world class players and that SAF willed a group of ragtags to win. He probably thinks Bale is better than any United player in the last twenty years. Delusional.
 
I havent read any of this thread but Id just like to point out that "There's no budget ..." is not the same as having an unlimited budget
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, he's going to go from managing a mid-table team that generally performed at mid-table level, to managing a better team that will thus perform at a better level than Everton but still perform significantly less well than that same team did under Fergie.

In summary, Fergie got your squad/team to over-perform relative to it's actual level of talent, whilst under Moyes the performance will drop to a lower level, one that more accurately reflects the squad's actual level of talent. This effect is/will be compounded by his frozen-rabbit-in-the-headlamps stance .... safety first and all that, hence Fellaini for example.
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:lol: If only us Humble United fan's has the nous of the Spurs fans eh?

Your accusation of SAF getting our team to over-perform (you didn't need to say relative to its actual level, what else can it overperform against?? anyway, I digress...) is completely your opinion, one which I feel isn't right at all. Your theory then spans from an opinion but is offered as facht, can you see why you get people's backs up?

In response though, you bought a load of players as you had a lot of holes in your squad, that's not opinion, we had less. We had one major hole which admittedly, we failed to address, not a brilliant transfer season, but Fellaini may well prove to be the plaster over that gap. Now, despite how good you think Spurs signing's are, it's based on a few games... What happens when it comes to Tottenham Time around February when people are tired etc, it's going to be different to EVERY other year?
 
Everest Red said:
Animals are infected with diseases in labs and we later treat them. Sometimes they go untreated.. I work at a lab and it's killing me..
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:lol: I understand what a lab rat is, although thanks for the explanation :lol: I was more asking how it applied to Spurs? Despite my dislike for Glaston not 'Spurs', I still wouldn't describe them as such.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, he's going to go from managing a mid-table team that generally performed at mid-table level, to managing a better team that will thus perform at a better level than Everton but still perform significantly less well than that same team did under Fergie.

In summary, Fergie got your squad/team to over-perform relative to it's actual level of talent, whilst under Moyes the performance will drop to a lower level, one that more accurately reflects the squad's actual level of talent. This effect is/will be compounded by his frozen-rabbit-in-the-headlamps stance .... safety first and all that, hence Fellaini for example.
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6th is mid table? You're talking shit.
 
To be fair I think it's a fair assessment to say that Ferguson had us overperform in some of the years. Last season our wingers were badly out of form, our midfielders aside from Carrick didn't shine either and our defence was shaky and we won the title with ease. For all the shite Glaston spouts he's pretty accurate with his appraisal of Ferguson's job, fun how he never cared to give credit to Fergie while he was still there and expected him to struggle for top 4 with this team.
 
Sarni said:
To be fair I think it's a fair assessment to say that Ferguson had us overperform in some of the years. Last season our wingers were badly out of form, our midfielders aside from Carrick didn't shine either and our defence was shaky and we won the title with ease. For all the shite Glaston spouts he's pretty accurate with his appraisal of Ferguson's job, fun how he never cared to give credit to Fergie while he was still there and expected him to struggle for top 4 with this team.
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Behave. He'll tell you he never said that, he only said there's a significant chance that we would struggle for the top 4. There's a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig difference in the world of Glaston's debating techniques.
 
Has it ever been established whether Glaston is on a WUM or is generally quite clueless? If its the latter, fair enough. If its the former, why do we keep on feeding him? He is making me dislike Spurs, and I don't want to.
 
Glaston you are too muchery

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Jaybezia said:
:lol: I understand what a lab rat is, although thanks for the explanation :lol: I was more asking how it applied to Spurs? Despite my dislike for Glaston not 'Spurs', I still wouldn't describe them as such.
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I am just messing around with Glaston. He's worse than me( imo, of course), and I am sure he takes everything way too seriously.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Near 30 million for a 29 year old striker to lead the line, and offers no physical presence... And apparently we overpaid with Ozil?

Have to admit though Eriksen is class and the Spuds are the perfect platform for him to impress CL teams. I expect in two season's time CL clubs like United will snap him up and take him to the next level again.
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Nearly right ... except that Soldado cost just under £26m, is 28 years old and scored bucket-loads for Valencia (physical presence or not), and also that I haven't said you overpaid for Ozil (instead I said that you paid a lot of money for a player who operates in an area of your squad that didn't especially need strengthening).
 
United will find this a tough season to win the cup (or) United will find this a tough season to compete for the 4th place.

Every season, we say the first part, and you say the second part. Most of the seasons, we win the cup and you drink our piss, Glaston.
 
Everest Red said:
.... Heck, with the new revenue, I am sure we could buy WHL. ....
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Money is no substitute for nous. So unfortunately for you, your new revenue got you a last minute panic buy (£28m worth of Fellaini) instead. Never mind, you can hug close all the new sponsorship deals and marvel at how they shine as you watch him lumbering around the pitch.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Everton's average league finishing position during Moyes' tenure was closest to 8th.
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Which with the money he had to spend was a minor miracle. He had them punching above their weight whatever way you choose to spin it. By the way, 10 is about the middle of 20.
 
acnumber9 said:
Which with the money he had to spend was a minor miracle. He had them punching above their weight whatever way you choose to spin it. By the way, 10 is about the middle of 20.
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It's all about opinions. I'd say an average position of around 8th is pretty much what you'd expect and par for the course. I'm not saying Moyes is a bad manager, clearly he isn't, but I don't see him as being of calibre needed by United.

By the way, 10 may be the middle of 20, but the phrase "mid-table" is usually taken as meaning a range-band either side of 10th.
 
alastair said:
Soldado does look like a gross overpay for someone who is not really that good. A couple of penalties aside, what's he actually done?
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On what basis have you decided he's "not really that good"? And what does the phrase even mean?

His goals tally at previous clubs and for Spain is pretty good: club career totals of almost exactly 1 goal every 2 games, and better than that at international level (and better than that at Spurs so far).

Now he's in a new country, at a new club that has lots of new players to integrate, so you'd expect him to take a while to settle in properly. Even so he's still scored 4 goals in 6 competitive games so far - and even if 2 of them have been penalties they still have to put slotted home. And if not for the heroics of Cardiff's GK last match he would have added to his tally.

His movement in and around the box is good, creating space for other attackers, and he's been part of a team that is going well so far. So why don't you wait for the season to unfold a little further before making what seems to me to be a wildly premature judgement?
 
GlastonSpur said:
So why don't you wait for the season to unfold a little further before making what seems to me to be a wildly premature judgement?
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Perhaps you could apply the same logic to David Moyes and Manchester United.
 
acnumber9 said:
Perhaps you could apply the same logic to David Moyes and Manchester United.
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Many posters make predictions for the season don't they? It can never be a definitive judgement since the season has yet to unfold - it's just a best guess based on what each poster knows or think they know.

Making such a prediction about a club/squad/team as a whole is not the same as dismissing an individual player, based on pretty much nothing, after just a few games.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Many posters make predictions for the season don't they? It can never be a definitive judgement since the season has yet to unfold - it's just a best guess based on what each poster knows or think they know.

Making such a prediction about a club/squad/team as a whole is not the same as dismissing an individual player, based on pretty much nothing, after just a few games.
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No, it's much more stupid to base it on a team than it is on a player as there are a lot more variables.

If you'd rather just apply it to Fellaini as well.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, he's going to go from managing a mid-table team that generally performed at mid-table level, to managing a better team that will thus perform at a better level than Everton but still perform significantly less well than that same team did under Fergie.

In summary, Fergie got your squad/team to over-perform relative to it's actual level of talent, whilst under Moyes the performance will drop to a lower level, one that more accurately reflects the squad's actual level of talent. This effect is/will be compounded by his frozen-rabbit-in-the-headlamps stance .... safety first and all that, hence Fellaini for example.
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Everton's average position under Moyes in his 11 seasons was 7th, Spurs' average position in the same time was 8th.
 
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