Moutinho

Maybe it's a clause in the contract at Spurs where you have to feed the medias with transfer gossip
 
I'd be happy with either Modric or Moutinho. Our midfield would look much better on paper with a top quality player like either.
 
He wouldn't have said that unless the deal was very close to completion. Unless it's a last minute change of heart Moutinho is a done deal for Spurs.

I don't know about that. I think he will most likely end up at Spurs but didn't AVB claim an interest in Perreira while at Chelsea?
 
Maybe it's a clause in the contract at Spurs where you have to feed the medias with transfer gossip

:lol: Makes sense I suppose; Rodgers to eventually succeed AVB when he has proven himself at a lower league club?
 
I'd be happy with either Modric or Moutinho. Our midfield would look much better on paper with a top quality player like either.

I think that it would look better in the field too. But choosing between them I would take Modric before Moutinho.

On another note, if Moutinho will go to Tottenham and Modric to Madrid, I would be more than happy if we sign Sahin who IMO is at the same level as Moutinho if not better.
 
I wonder if Porto won't budge on the price and specially don't go below 25 million pounds, as it would be funny to see Levy get a taste of his own medicine.
 
It seems that Porto wants €30m and won't lower the price. Spurs will pay that only if they get their price for Modric, they won't be making a huge profit on these two transactions either. For us it's the only opportunity to buy Moutinho as if Spurs land him for €30m there's absolutely no way that we will ever able to buy him from them in the future.
 
He's 366 days younger than Modric.
I also doubt he's got anything on Modric. Modric is also proven in the PL, and plays in a style only the best can do (maybe he doesn't execute it quite as well as Xavi / Pirlo / Scholes, but it's a very rare breed).

His fee will around 30 million Euros, whereas you could get modric for maybe an additional 10-12 million Euros, unless he wants Real Madrid.

Makes no sense to me.
He's just 1 year younger, a worse player, and unproven in the PL. Modric, 1 year older, better, more scholes-esque in the way he plays, and has proved he can play in the PL for a top 5 side.
 
With all these stupid prices being quoted i understand why Fergie is reluctant to buy a proper CM.

Yeah but if everything goes according to what should be expected, in two years we'll be left with a 34-year old Carrick and injury prone Cleverley as our only two midfielders. What a perspective. No doubt in the meantime we'll spend £40m on wingers, £40m on forwards and £60m on central defenders. There's no excuse really, we just paid £16m for Young last year.
 
That's a bit silly Sarni. Yes we may be lightweight in midfield, but it's obvious SAF has not pushed a centre midfielder through when Giggs and Scholes still have a lot to give. You also forget Powell who I expect should be competing in and around the starting line-up in two years, and Cleverley has been unlucky rather than injury-prone. Anderson is either going to be kept or shipped out to make way or a new player. The outlook is not as bleak as you care to make it.
 
Yeah but if everything goes according to what should be expected, in two years we'll be left with a 34-year old Carrick and injury prone Cleverley as our only two midfielders. What a perspective.

In two years time we'll be left with a 32 year old Carrick, a 24 year old Cleverley, a 26 year old Anderson, a 22 year old Jones and a 20 year old Powell. If we don't sign anyone at all, which we presumably will, if two or more of that lot fail to step up. Oh, and of course, presuming none of the kids step up, which is always possible of course, and presuming we don't turn Shinji into a deeper-lying player, which wouldn't surprise me.
 
That's a bit silly Sarni. Yes we may be lightweight in midfield, but it's obvious SAF has not pushed a centre midfielder through when Giggs and Scholes still have a lot to give. You also forget Powell who I expect should be competing in and around the starting line-up in two years, and Cleverley has been unlucky rather than injury-prone. Anderson is either going to be kept or shipped out to make way or a new player. The outlook is not as bleak as you care to make it.

Anderson will leave sooner rather than later, I think, and we've lost Fletcher, Hargreaves and Scholes over the last year without replacing any of them. We're extremely short in midfield and that's a fact. Jones isn't a midfielder.

The longer we wait the more we'll have to pay too. Clubs already know how much we need a midfielder and that's always going to drive the price up.
 
With all these stupid prices being quoted i understand why Fergie is reluctant to buy a proper CM.

They are market rates. £35m for a player would have been like £80m back when we signed Rio. In terms of percentage of turnover.

We are woefully weak in CM and will get arse raped in Europe.
 
Anderson will leave sooner rather than later, I think, and we've lost Fletcher, Hargreaves and Scholes over the last year without replacing any of them. We're extremely short in midfield and that's a fact. Jones isn't a midfielder.

The longer we wait the more we'll have to pay too. Clubs already know how much we need a midfielder and that's always going to drive the price up.

We're not short on quantity, just quality. You said that we would be left with two midfielders. Clearly that will never, ever be the case. And selling clubs can't just dictate like that either when they more than likely need the money and the player wants to move.
 
We're not short on quantity, just quality. You said that we would be left with two midfielders. Clearly that will never, ever be the case. And selling clubs can't just dictate like that either when they more than likely need the money and the player wants to move.

Giggs and Scholes will very likely leave at the end of season in all likelihood and I am quite convinced we're close to letting Anderson go so we'll be left with either 2 or 3 midfielders depending on whether Anderson goes or not. Of course you can count Powell and Jones but truth is Powell might not be ready yet and Jones is a defender.
 
Yeah but if everything goes according to what should be expected, in two years we'll be left with a 34-year old Carrick and injury prone Cleverley as our only two midfielders. What a perspective. No doubt in the meantime we'll spend £40m on wingers, £40m on forwards and £60m on central defenders. There's no excuse really, we just paid £16m for Young last year.

Sarni, don't get me wrong. I think we are at least two years late with bringing in a quality CM and maybe even two quality players short(Kagawa is the AM i wanted). I've been saying that for a while- the longer we wait the more we will pay. Last year Modric was supposed to be available at 30 mil, this summer this sum won't buy you what is supposed to be a cheaper alternative to aforementioned Croat. If we don't sign a proper CM this summer we will have to splash 60+ mil next year (on at least two player we will have to buy to replace Scholes and Giggs)
 
'According to Mundo Deportivo, Spurs have agreed a deal for Joao Moutinho and the transfer will be completed as soon as Luka Modric's exit is finalised.'

I'm stunned we're not sniffing around him.
 
He's not worth 25 million. 15-20 yes but he's no more a better footballer than Valencia, Young or Kagawa

3 strange choices, seeing as Kagawa and Valencia are brilliant and Young is nowhere close to them.

Valencia would easily be worth 25m now and we only got Kagawa so cheap because his contract was running down.

Aaaanyway, I too am disappointed we're not in for him, not surprised though.
 
He's not worth 25 million. 15-20 yes but he's no more a better footballer than Valencia, Young or Kagawa

I read this sort of thing in the Rio Ferdinand thread from 2002: "I'd pay 25mil tops, not 30 though."

At the end of the day, who gives a f---? If he's good enough, so be it. We're reportedly putting down the same money for a player like Lucas.

And Moutinho is a deep lying midfielder. Valencia, Young and Kagawa are not.
 
3 strange choices, seeing as Kagawa and Valencia are brilliant and Young is nowhere close to them.

Valencia would easily be worth 25m now and we only got Kagawa so cheap because his contract was running down.

Aaaanyway, I too am disappointed we're not in for him, not surprised though.

Valencia was not worth 25 million when we signed him, Kagawa is probably worth around 20 and that's the same Young that contributed 8 goals and 12 assists last season? His contribution was a massive two goals less than Valencia.
 
Valencia was not worth 25 million when we signed him, Kagawa is probably worth around 20 and that's the same Young that contributed 8 goals and 12 assists last season? His contribution was a massive two goals less than Valencia.

"he's no more better", present tense. Valencia right now is worth 25m+.

You don't genuinely believe Young was as good as Valencia last season, or is as good a player as him, do you?
 
"he's no more better", present tense. Valencia right now is worth 25m+.

You don't genuinely believe Young was as good as Valencia last season, or is as good a player as him, do you?

Young is solid enough player and outside of Nani and Valencia, arguably the best winger in the league. He's not as good as Valencia no, but he's in no way a massively inferior player. I would certainly put him along with Valencia and Kagawa within a similar bracket.
 
I think you've seriously underestimated Kagawa.
 
Indeed, anyone who watches German football will tell you that Kagawa is a million miles ahead of Young as a footballer, and 4 years younger too.
 
I think you've seriously underestimated Kagawa.

Perhaps but i'll reserve my judgement until the season kicks off properly. I've seen enough of him to know he's a very good player, and I look forward to being pleasantly surprised at how good he is for us in a tougher league, but at the moment he's in the Young/Valencia/Hernandez/Evra bracket for me, although he'll probably push up to the Nani/Rooney/Vidic level.

Cina nobody is a million times better than young. Stop underrating him as a player. You cannot be an average player with a stop start season and still pull off the numbers like Young did last year.
 
Who called him average? Young is good, nowhere near Kagawa though, I've seen more than enough of him playing with the German Champions in the last 2 years to come to that conclusion. Valencia is also clearly a better winger than him, which is by no means an insult seeing as he was the best winger in the PL last season and (in my opinion, though others will rate him higher) is the second best winger in the league after Nani.
 
If we're gona generalise so much it could be said Moutinho is far superior technically to both Young and Valencia.

Its true to a degree but ultimately it means feck all in reality....much like comparing various unrelated players for the sake of it!!!
 
If we're gona generalise so much it could be said Moutinho is far superior technically to both Young and Valencia.

Its true to a degree but ultimately it means feck all in reality....much like comparing various unrelated players for the sake of it!!!

Couldn't say that is a given.
 
Young is solid enough player and outside of Nani and Valencia, arguably the best winger in the league. He's not as good as Valencia no, but he's in no way a massively inferior player. I would certainly put him along with Valencia and Kagawa within a similar bracket.

He's not in the same league as those two and certainly isn't the third best winger in the league. Bale and Mata both shit all over him, he's a pretty standard winger.
 
He's not in the same league as those two and certainly isn't the third best winger in the league. Bale and Mata both shit all over him, he's a pretty standard winger.

the same Young that contributed to 18 goals last season in 32 games. In comparison to Bale who played 42 games contributed to 27 goals and Mata who contributed to 33 with 21 more games. I'd say They're all fairly close at the moment, or atleast Young would be within 5 contributions to Mata after playing the same amount of games.
 
the same Young that contributed to 18 goals last season in 32 games. In comparison to Bale who played 42 games contributed to 27 goals and Mata who contributed to 33 with 21 more games. I'd say They're all fairly close at the moment, or atleast Young would be within 5 contributions to Mata after playing the same amount of games.

Stats aside, any idiot can see that Mata and Bale are far superior players.
 
I think your horribly under rating young, he is nowhere near as bad as your making out.

Ok perhaps his top ability might not be quite on the level of those 2, but he is consitently good, and he works his ass off every game.
 
I think your horribly under rating young, he is nowhere near as bad as your making out.

Ok perhaps his top ability might not be quite on the level of those 2, but he is consitently good, and he works his ass off every game.

Doesn't mean Mata and Bale aren't far superior. I think in the Prem there is an elite class of wingers which includes Nani, Valencia, Bale, Mata. Hazard may join that group this year. The next tier would be your Walcotts, Adam Johnsons, Aaron Lennons etc. Young would be near the top of that second tier, for me.
 
Stats aside, any idiot can see that Mata and Bale are far superior players.

There is nothing far superior about either of them. One relies so heavily on pace that once that goes, he'll get shown up for just how limited he really is, and the other was invisible after February for Chelsea. Both will develop in to better players than Young, but at this current point in time, they're all consistently scoring goals and assisting at a similar rate.
 
There is nothing far superior about either of them. One relies so heavily on pace that once that goes, he'll get shown up for just how limited he really is, and the other was invisible after February for Chelsea. Both will develop in to a better players than Young, but at this current point in time, they're all consistently scoring goals and assisting at a similar rate.

Lets not forget that Young was also injured for long periods after starting off brilliantly. He never really did get back to 100% until late in the season. It definately affected his performances as you could tell he wasn't taking on players like he used to.