Well, he was the best last season.
Moutinho
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Well, he was the best last season.
That's arguable at best.
so youre saying at best you could make an argument for him being player of the season. at best. how about him winning fans player of the season and players player of the season?
At best Valencia is arguably the best.
Clear enough?
Clear enough?
clear and ridiculous. were you lost?
I was trying to tease 'RonaldoVII'....
That just means he was the form player for the couple of weeks that votes were being cast
The press are interested in him because of the Euro's.
We have already said we wouldn't buy a player off the back of a major tournament and if we wanted him before the tournament we'd have done our best to seal it before the tournament. I don't buy us being interested, just a name for the press to speculate and sell some papers.
We have already said we wouldn't buy a player off the back of a major tournament and if we wanted him before the tournament we'd have done our best to seal it before the tournament. I don't buy us being interested, just a name for the press to speculate and sell some papers.
He's made Zonal Marking's team of the euros
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/07/04/zms-team-of-euro-2012/
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/07/04/zms-team-of-euro-2012/
No Moutinho news?
Lol nani didn't even get a mention. He was miles better than any England player and somehow 3 of then got on the list. Really underrated.
He wouldn't improve us dramatically, but he would add some quality to our midfield, which is much needed.
And Valencia IS the best in his position at the club. Unless he suddenly lost all the form and shape that is. WHen he's at it, and he almost always is, it looks as if he didn't need any full-back behind him.
And Valencia IS the best in his position at the club. Unless he suddenly lost all the form and shape that is. WHen he's at it, and he almost always is, it looks as if he didn't need any full-back behind him.
I agree. Whilst Nani maybe the superior player in terms of technical ability I think Valencia is the most effective wide player at the club. We miss Valencia when he doesn't play more than we miss Nani.
We have both, so why the fuss. Kagawa surely won't play left side unless Fergie has gone mental.
Exactly, Kagawa won't be playing left (I hope) cause his attacking ability would be slightly wasted there. Fergie won't change the system completely, i.e he won't introduce channels to our approach, hence Kagawa won't play in Iniesta's position. Interesting really, because I also doubt he will be playing him in a two-man cm.
It looks like we're going to see 4-3-3 more often than not this season.
It looks like we're going to see 4-3-3 more often than not this season.
A contradiction.
If quality in our midfield is much needed, and Moutinho would provide us with such, then surely his addition would improve us dramatically, since the introduction of something much needed would be a dramatic improvement.
Not really.
Someone of Xavi's ability would improve us dramatically, as he would be the only world-beater in CM then, next to 60 yrs old Scholes obviously, put it this way.
Moutinho is more comparable to Carrick's ability, hence he would deliver some quality, but not suddenly take us to the next level.
You've missed the point. If quality is much needed (as you say it is) then the addition of quality (as you say Moutinho would be) would be a dramatic improvement; otherwise, if the addition of quality would not be a dramatic improvement, you cannot rightly say that quality is much needed.
If he can perform how he did in the euro's he'd or anyone of a similar vain would help us a lot. Getting in another defensively sound player with an eye for a pass, next to Carrick would be a big bonus defensively and offensively.
no he's not
Moutinho certainly seems like a fantastic choice, I'd rather see us buy him than another winger.
Moutinho is still at an age where he can improve though.
I'm in need of money. 100 pounds would do, but only just. 1000 on the other hand would help me massively. Is that so difficult?
Jimy - he certainly is, but right now he is not in the top bracket.
We don't sign top bracket players, we hope to make them.
I didn't say we do, nor did I say we shouldn't sign him. We should, he just isn't top bracket player, that's all.
EDIT: Still about 3 levels better than Miguel 'I can't run and I'm as clumsy as drunk aunt at the wedding' Veloso obviously.
Sir Humphrey, is that you?
So you see, there's a dramatic difference between having enough of something and not having enough; true, the difference between not having enough and living in luxury is even more dramatic, but that fact doesn't make the difference between not having enough and having enough unimportant.
I'm in need of water. One gallon would do, but only just. Ten gallons on the other hand would help me massively. Is that so difficult?
Again, where did I say it makes it unimportant?
Thanks for paraphrasing my metaphor, making my point even clearer.
So you don't think the difference between death and survival as being a dramatic one?
Ciderman is right. It is the concept of marginal utility. The satisfaction (marginal utility) of consuming 1 gallon of water when you are thirsty is great. Once your thirst is quenched marginal utility decreases or becomes negative with additional consumption of water.
Tomus, my friend, you should counter argue by using beer as an example instead of water..
ok, you're right as for the metaphor. I think it's my fault I started with wrong one (about money). Our starting point is different, more advanced than having none water or money, hence I should have looked for a different metaphor indicating improvement, but not dramatic.
You cannot say that quality in midfield is much needed whilst also suggesting that a quality signing in midfield wouldn't be a dramatic improvement to the squad. Just admit that it was an obvious contradiction.
Indeed, diminishing returns.
Yes he is, the best out and out winger at the club.
Is this any more likely to happen than Martinez? Are there any juicy reports?
He's definitely got an eye for a pass and can play possession football, but isn't he a bit lightweight? Haven't really seen him apart from when playing for Portugal...
He's definitely got an eye for a pass and can play possession football, but isn't he a bit lightweight? Haven't really seen him apart from when playing for Portugal...
What do some you insist on jabbering on about unrelated shite. Some of us would actually like to know about the topic in question
He played on the left of a midfield 3 for Portugal, is this where he plays for Porto?
He played the majority of his games as the left of the 3 midfielders, when they played 4-3-3. Although, they played 4-2-3-1 a few times also, he then played as one of the 2 "defensive" midfielders.
He never played as a winger or "in the hole".